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          LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THIS IS THE TOWN COUNCIL MEETING OF THE TOWN OF NORTH LAKE. IT IS 5:30 P.M. AND WE'RE GOING TO GET STARTED. OCTOBER 14TH 2021 AS WE NORMALLY DO. WE HAVE AN INDICATION FROM A LOCAL PASTOR. AND TONIGHT WE HAVE ASSOCIATE PASTOR MCCLURE FROM THE TRIBES CHURCH IS GOING TO OPEN US WITH AN INVOCATION AND WE'LL GET TO THE PLEDGES. SO PLEASE COME UP, SIR. LET US PRAY. CAN WE COME TO YOU THIS EVENING WITH GRATITUDE WITH GRATITUDE IN OUR HEARTS FOR ANOTHER DAY TO ENJOY YOUR GOOD AND BEAUTIFUL CREATION? UM, IN THIS GREAT PLACE. WE HAVE GRATITUDE FOR THESE PUBLIC SERVANTS WHO HAVE DEDICATED THEIR LIVES TO SERVING THE CITY. AND THESE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW THIS. LEADERSHIP IS NOT ALWAYS AN EASY TEST. SO WE THANK YOU FOR THEM. WE THANK YOU FOR THE PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT. 
          WE KNOW IT'S CAN BE REALLY EASY TO BEGIN TO TURN INWARDS AND FOCUS ON YOURSELF AND YOUR OWN STUFF. MM. SO THANK YOU FOR THEIR WILLINGNESS TO COME TO MEETING LIKE THIS TO SEEK THE WELFARE, THE WELFARE OF THE CITY AND THE WELFARE OF UM, ALL OF ITS RESIDENTS. AND SO WITH THAT WE HAVE TO YOU WOULD GRANT HER. THAT YOUR WISDOM WOULD FILL THIS PLACE GUIDE AND DIRECT THE DECISIONS THAT ARE BEING MADE. UM GOD, DIRECT THE HEARTS OF ALL THE PEOPLE HERE SO THAT THE DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE ARE MADE FOR THE GOOD OF NORTH LAKE AND FOR YOUR GLORY AND SOME JUICE, NEW PRAY. AMEN. 
          I THINK. ALL RIGHT. WE ACTUALLY HAVE A FAIRLY SHORT AGENDA THIS EVENING AND WE'LL SEE WHAT WE MAKE OF THAT. UM. BUT WE HAVE A COUPLE BRIEFINGS THIS EVENING. AND I THINK THOSE ARE OF INTEREST TO A LOT OF FOLKS HERE. THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT BEING OUR GUEST THIS EVENING AND, UH, FROM A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE HERE. SO WE'RE GOING TO GET STARTED HERE WITH OUR ANNOUNCEMENTS. I WILL SAY THAT WE HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT SECTIONS SECTION RIGHT AFTER THE PRESENTATIONS TO GET FOCUS ON THE RECORD FOR ANY. OPTIONS CONCERNS QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAVE, AND SO IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK AT PUBLIC COMMENT, GET YOUR COMMENTS ON THE RECORD FOR US. THEN WE NEED YOU TO FILL OUT A CARD IN THE BACK. YOU CAN DO THAT AFTER YOU SPEAK, BUT JUST MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT. SO WE HAVE A RECORD OF YOUR NOTES THIS EVENING. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE 
          [2.A. Presentation from Realty Capital to contribute funds to Town road projects in lieu of construction of a portion of future Florance Road (Part 1 of 2)]
GONNA GET STARTED WITH WHAT I THINK IS ONE OF THE INTERESTING ITEMS ON THE AGENDA IS TONIGHT IS ITEM A. WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM REALTY CAPITAL ON SOME OPTIONS RELATED TO ROAD PROJECT BEHIND THE HIGHLANDS. AND SO WHO DO WE HAVE TONIGHT? HE'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS TO START US OFF. BE A TIM COULTHARD. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SIR. GOOD EVENING, UH, TOWN COUNCIL MAN. DANCE THROUGH BACK HERE AND NORTHLIGHT MANAGED COLTART 99 LIKE CAROLINE PARK ONE IRVING. UM, WE HAVE A. TO CONCEPT WHICH CAME UP OUT OF, UH, PRACTICALITY. REALLY, UH, THE HIGHLANDS NORTH LAKE. WE'RE ON A DEVELOPING A THIRD PHASE RIGHT NOW, UH, PER HOUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH WAS PUT TOGETHER WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THE PROJECT, UH, REQUIRED US TO CONSTRUCT. TWO LINES OF MULKEY AND I'LL SHOW YOU SOME DETAILS ON IT. UM TWO LINES OF FUTURE MULKEY AS FUTURE FLORENCE EXTENSION. AND UH, AS WE LOOK FURTHER AT IT. PRETTY ABOUT A MONTH OR SO AGO. I REACHED OUT TO, UH DREW, UH, THINKING THAT FOR A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, WE WERE SOMEWHAT BUILDING A ROAD TO NOWHERE. UM THAT DIDN'T HAVE THE CONNECTIONS AT EACH END THAT WE'RE FULLY ENGINEERED. WE ACTUALLY HAVE A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT, WHICH HAS THE FUNDS BUILT INTO BUILDING THAT ROAD. 
          AND IT SEEMED THAT WE WOULD BE BETTER OFF WRITING A CHECK TO THE TOWN INSTEAD OF BUILDING A ROAD THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW THE CONNECTIONS ARE THE SIDE. NO. WALK YOU THROUGH SOME DETAILS HERE. UH WE'RE LOOKING TO PAY THE TOWN EXACTLY WHAT'S IN OUR CONTRACT? EXACTLY WHAT WE WOULD HAVE SPENT. UH IT JUST SEEMS FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT TO MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE SO. 
          THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT SUMMARIZED HERE. BASICALLY IT STATES THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO BUILD TWO LANES OF. THIS GAP SECTION RIGHT HERE. IF YOU LOOK WHAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN IS PRETTY MUCH PHASE ONE OF THE HIGHLANDS EXCEPT FOR ON THE WEST SIDE ON THE LEFT OF 
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THE PAGE, YOU'LL SEE IT SAYS THAT THIS ABOUT 13 LOTS OVER THERE. OUT THAT ARE ALSO UNDER DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW AND IN GRAY, AND I'VE GOT TO HIGHLIGHT IT ON THE OTHER SLIDE IT BASICALLY STATES AND OUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO BUILD THE LANES WERE NOT REQUIRED TO CONNECT THEM TO IF IN FOR SEVEN AH, AND WE CAN BUILD TWO OF THE FUTURE FOR LINES. WE HAVE, UH, PLATT WE'VE ALREADY PLANTED FOR THE FULL RURAL RIGHT AWAY, WHICH IS 120 FT. AND UH, THIS TOWN BASICALLY HAS A NUMBER OF OPTIONS ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY USE THE. RURAL SECTION, AS WE HAVE PROVIDED FOR OR WHETHER THEY GO FOR MORE OF AN URBAN SECTION. YOU SEE, HIGHLIGHTED ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE PAGE IS A BLOW UP ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS WHERE FACEBOOK EXCUSE ME IS WORTH THERE'S, UH, OH, GOOD. THAT'S UP. UM. THAT'S THE SECTION RIGHT THERE. IT'S REALLY QUITE A SHORT SECTION. IF EVERYONE'S FAMILIAR WITH WITH MULTI COMES AROUND AS A FULL 90 DEGREE 10 AT NORTHWEST CROSSING UM. YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH WITH GRADED THOSE LANES AND THE MORE WE LOOKED INTO IT, WHICH LANES THAT WE BUILD. THE MORE I STARTED THINKING THIS JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT IN THE FUTURE, THE TOWN IS GOING TO COME BACK AND HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHAT WE BUILT WITHOUT ANY FORETHOUGHT INTO. HOW DO WE CONNECT FOR? HOW DOES IT CONNECT FOR SEVEN IN THE FUTURE? AND HOW DO THOSE LANES CONNECT SOUTH OF US AS, UH, FUTURE FLORENCE? UH, CONTINUE SOUTH. SO. DOES ANYONE ANY CLARIFICATION ON WHERE THIS PIECE IS THAT QUITE CLEAR FOR EVERYBODY, OKAY? I JUST TOOK THIS PICTURE ABOUT 15 MINUTES AGO, AND THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH FROM EXISTING FLORENCE AND YOU CAN SEE WE'VE GOT THE DIRT THAT WAS MOVED ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE PICTURE. FLORENCE IS CURRENTLY TWO LANE. PROBABLY A 24 FT WIDE ROAD SECTION. AND IT I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY, UH, REAL. PLANS AND TO EXACTLY HOW THIS CONNECTS TO FOREST SEVEN IF ANYONE IS FAMILIAR WITH DRIVING THIS ROAD OF THE SECTION OF 47 YOU COME OVER A HUMP JUST TO THE EAST, SO IT'S NOT A VERY VISIBLE AND SECTION. MY BET IS THAT WHEN FOREST WHEN TEXT COMES IN AND WIDENS FOR SEVEN THAT PROBABLY GOING TO WANT TO MAKE SOME CHANGES TO THAT TO MAKE IT A LITTLE SAFER. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY, AS WE THOUGHT ABOUT THE PRACTICALITY OF BUILDING THIS CLAIMS IT JUST REALLY. DIDN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE. I HATE SPENDING MONEY, WHETHER IT'S OUR MONEY OF THE TOWN'S MONEY ON IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL NEED TO BE CHANGED LATER ON OR MAY CAST THE DIE. ON FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS. THIS IS A LOOK FROM NORTHWEST CROSSING AND MULKEY ON THAT 90 DEGREE 10 THAT I MENTIONED. AND. SO THAT HOLE YOU CAN SEE THE SLIP STREET ON THE LEFT. THAT'S THE STREET THAT IS GOING TO ACCESS TO OUR LOT. AND WHEN WE CAME UP WITH THE PLANS FOR THIS, THE REASON WE HAD A SLIP STREET WAS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE DRIVEWAYS ALL THE WAY DOWN. AH WHAT WILL BE A COLLECTOR ROAD FOUR LANES, WHETHER IT'S 100 AND 20 FT RIGHT AWAY OR 100 FT RIGHT OF WAY. IT'S STILL FOUR LINES. THAT'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC. RUNNING AT HIGH SPEED. AND SO WE HAVE A SLIP ROAD, WHICH ACCESSES ARE LOTS. AND YOU'LL SEE HERE. I'VE GOT A SECTION HERE. THIS IS THE RURAL SECTION, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE REQUIRED AND CURRENTLY CONTRACTED TO BUILD. THAT HAS 100 AND 20 FT TITLE RIGHT AWAY. HERE'S AN URBAN SECTION. UH THE MAIN DIFFERENCE ON THIS IS THAT IT HAS CURBS AND NOT SWALES. AND THIS IS ONLY 100 FT. RIGHT OF WAY. SO WITH 100 AND 20 FT THAT WE ARE DEDICATING TO THE TOWN. UH, THIS FLEXIBILITY ON HOW THAT ROAD GETS BUILT, YOU COULD MOVE IT. 20 FT. EITHER DIRECTION AND EVEN WITHIN THIS STANDARD STREET SECTION, THERE'S MORE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO ADJUST IT, DEPENDING ON HOW THE CONNECTION WORKS BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH. UM. CHALLENGES THE REASON I THINK IT'S SMART TO DO IS WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER CONNECTION FOR 47 IS GOING TO BE AT WHAT ELEVATION TECH START. 
          I THINK CURRENTLY IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROCESS. UM WE'RE GONNA DEDICATE THE 420 FT RIGHT OF WAY. UH THIS GIVES THE TOWN FLEXIBILITY. UM ON THE ELEVATION. WHERE CONNECTS NORTH AND SOUTH. HOW DOES THAT INTERSECTION CONNECT WITH EXISTING FLORENCE? UH, ANOTHER CONCERN WE HAD WAS. WHEN THERE'S A ROAD THAT DOESN'T REALLY GO ANYWHERE, UH, WITHOUT 
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A CONNECTION TO FOR SEVEN. IT TENDS TO BE A PLACE FOR DUMPING OR PEOPLE RACING THINGS LIKE THAT. I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST CONCERN. UM AND THEN I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN WE'VE HAD SOME CONCERNS RAISED BY RESIDENTS. I THINK IF YOU'RE HERE TONIGHT ABOUT HOW DOES THAT ROAD SIT IN RELATIONSHIP TO, UH. THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY. HOW CLOSE IS IT? AND SO IT KIND OF THAT CAME UP ACTUALLY, AFTER WE'VE REACHED OUT TO DREW AND MENTIONED HOW WHY DON'T WE LOOK AT. GIVING YOU ALL THE SAME MONEY THAT WE WOULD BE SPENDING ON CONCRETE SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND TEAR UP STUFF THAT WE'RE BUILDING BASED UPON. GUESSES. UM. ONE OF THE OTHER BENEFITS, AND THIS KIND OF CAME UP AFTERWARDS SUGGESTED THE SAME THING IS WITHOUT. WHEN THE FUTURE PLANS ARE DONE FOR THE CONNECTION TO FOR SEVEN. THAT'S WHEN THE LARGER DRAINAGE AREA CAN BE WORKED OUT IF WE'RE STOPPING A ROAD. AH YOU KNOW, SHORT OF THE CONNECTION TO 47. 
          WE'RE THEN GOING TO WORK OUT. HOW DO WE GET THE WATER AROUND TO GO DOWN TOWARDS THE CHURCH, WHICH IS THE WAY IT'S GOING TO GO? BUT WITH THE STOPPING OF THE PAVEMENT SESSION THAT LEADS TO SOME OTHER CHALLENGES, BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE IMPERVIOUS SERVICE AND SURFACE AND LESS. 
          UH. IT'S REALLY NOT THE ULTIMATE DRAINAGE PLAN THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE. UM THAT IS. 
          TO ME. WE'LL SEE IF THAT COMES BACK. REALLY? TO ME, REALLY? IT WAS A NET ZERO TO US. UM I DON'T THINK WE DON'T SAVE ANY MONEY. WE HAVE GRADED THE AREA. WE WOULD SHARE OUT CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT. WITH THE TOWN FOR THE TOWN'S REVIEW. UM. THAT'S THE TOWN COUNCIL SAYS WE NEED TO BUILD IT WITH ON DOING THAT. ALSO. UH AGAIN. I JUST THINK I IMPLORE COUNCIL TO THINK ABOUT THE CONNECTIONS NORTH AND SOUTH AND THE FACT THAT WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW THOSE ARE GOING TO TAKE PLACE. AND SO I FEEL LIKE THIS IS JUST MORE PRUDENT. UH WAY TO APPROACH SOMETHING WHEN WE DON'T KNOW ALL THE ANSWERS. MM. WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY SHARE A CONTRACT SIGNED, UH, CONTRACT IS READY TO GO ON IT. I BELIEVE ITS SOMEWHAT BROKEN OUT, BUT YOUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW AND WE WOULD THEN, UH, IT COMES SOME ARRANGEMENT ON HOW THAT TAKES PLACE. BUT IT WOULD BE CASH CHECK. WE MAY NEED TO AMEND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. 
          I'M NOT SURE UM OR IT MAY JUST BE A SIMPLE AGREEMENT BETWEEN US AND THE TOWN. SO WITH THAT SAID, I'D LOVE TO HEAR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. STAFF. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER FURTHER INFORMATION TO ADD TO THIS? UM. NO TIM TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THEIR DRAINAGE. 
          THE ULTIMATE DRAINAGE WOULD GO TO 407 AND GO TO THAT LARGER CHANNEL THERE. AND SO, UH, THIS IS AN INTERIM DRAINAGE PLAN AND. WE'D FORCED THAT WATER AROUND THAT COLD, A SACK OR THAT KNUCKLE AND THAT'S THAT'S NOT THE BEST FLOW. THAT'S NOT THE ULTIMATE FLOW. SO THAT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL. BUT. THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAVE TO HAVE. SO THE DRAINAGE BE SATISFACTORY. 
          UM I'D ALSO LIKE TO HEAR ON IF THIS IS NOT BUILT. THEN WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR TAKING CARE OF THE OPEN SPACE IN THE INTERIM? AND THEN PROJECTIONS ON CONCRETE. AS FAR AS WHAT THIS WILL COST US IN THE FUTURE. UM ARE WE INCURRING MORE COST THAN IT'S WORTH. IN THE FUTURE. SO THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU ABOUT. YEAH. THE. MAINTENANCE OF IT PROBABLY LOOKED TO, UM UM THE DEVELOPER OR WORK OUT SOME TYPE OF ARRANGEMENT. UH BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A DEDICATED RIGHT AWAY. SO UH, WE'VE GOT NOW WE'VE GOT TWO LARGE MOWERS. UH WE CAN PROBABLY MAINTAIN IT WILL LOOK AT THE COST OF THAT. I DON'T HAVE THAT UP TOP MY HEAD. UM. THE, UH, THE TIME VALUE OF MONEY. YEAH IT'S GOING TO COST MORE IN THE FUTURE PRICES DO BUT THIS IS CASH THAT WE CAN USE NOW FOR AN EXISTING PROJECT. THAT'S A THAT'S A PRIORITY TO THE COUNCIL SO YOU CAN USE THIS MONEY NOW FOR PROJECTS THAT YOU HAVE. BUT WHEN WE DO BUILD THAT ROAD IT'S GOING TO COST MORE. UM FLORENCE. YOU KNOW, IN ALL THE MASTER THIRD FOR PLANES IN THE LONG RANGE PLAN IS ABOUT PRESERVING SOME TYPE OF NORTH SOUTH THOROUGHFARE THAT. IT'S BETWEEN CLEVELAND GIVES AN FM FOR ALS 1 56. SO, UM. WE'RE YOU 
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KNOW, WE'RE ALREADY HAVING CHALLENGED CHALLENGES UP ITS TRAITOR, MAINTAINING THAT THROUGHPUT. UM. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, P. N Z IS LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, IN TERMS OF THE UPDATE OF THE MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN. AND THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT LAND USED TO SOME ASSUMPTIONS AND SEE IF THERE'S IF IT. WE WANT WARRANT THAT ROAD AT THAT SIZE AND OF THAT THROUGHPUT. SO I JUST KIND OF THEORY THAT ROAD SECTION MAY CHANGE INSTEAD OF. YES POSSIBLY. 
          I MEAN, ALL OUR LONG RANGE PLANS WAS THAT WAS. FOUR LANE DIVIDED AT SOME POINT. BUT IT WOULD ALL BE RELATIVE TO, UH, DEVELOPMENT AND TO NEED OF THAT, UH, THOUGHT DOES NOT GO THROUGH AND IT'S ONLY IT'S ONLY ON THE MASTER OF AIRPLANE IS A TWO LANE THE NEXT. MAJOR THOROUGHFARE IS CLEVELAND GIVES AND THEN THE NEXT ONE OVER IS. IF M 1 56, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE SIX LANES, I THINK ULTIMATELY. OKAY SO WE DO NOT HAVE PLANS FOR THE FUNDING THE GAP BASICALLY AT THIS POINT, SO THIS IS JUST TALKING ABOUT THE SECTION HIGHLIGHTED HERE ON THE MAP FOR US. BUT AS A COUNCIL WE DON'T HAVE PLANS OR WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN OUR CAPITAL PLAN FOR FINISHING THIS FLORENCE CONNECTION AT THIS TIME. NO, SIR. OKAY SO AND JUST A LITTLE, UH, A LITTLE DETAIL ON THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, CONNECTING TO A. ESPECIALLY BEFORE US SEVEN. WE KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE EXPANDED. WE KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME ELEVATION PROBLEMS THERE. THE DECISION WAS MADE MANY YEARS AGO WHEN THIS DEVELOPER AGREEMENT WAS MADE TO. TO AVOID FOR SEVEN AND KIND OF LET TEXT DOT HANDLED THE HEAVY LIFTING ON THAT, AND THEN WE WOULD JUST FINISH THAT GAP. WHICH TWEEN THAT ROAD, BUT. AT THE TIME. 
          THE GOAL WAS TO UHH, HALF FLORENCE CONNECT ALL THE WAY DOWN THE FUTURE 11 71 AND PROVIDE SOME RELIEF TO CLEVELAND GIVES ME 1 56. COUNCIL WOULD YOU MAKE A GUESS WHEN WE WILL NEED FOREIGN SOUTH OF FOUR OF SEVEN? UM. WELL WITH THAT. WITH A LARGE PROPERTY OWNERS, THE OUTDOOR LEARNING CENTER. UM. WITH THE CURRENT USES, UM NOT IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE, NOT WITH THE CURRENT. ZONING AT FIVE ACRES. UH, YOU KNOW THIS IS ALL THIS IS ALWAYS BEEN KIND OF A RESERVATION. IF THINGS CHANGE, WE HAVE THAT OPTION. IF THIS STARTS TO DEVELOP OUT. AT ALL LARGEST STATES, UH, EVEN THAT CAN CHANGE. UM, SO IT'S JUST MORE ABOUT PRESERVING THAT. IN IN A CONTINGENCY IF WE EVER NEED THAT, IF WE EVER NEED THAT ROAD UM BUT. YEAH CRYSTAL BALL AND NOT SEE ANYTHING CHANGING THE NEXT 10 20 YEARS, BUT THINGS CHANGE SOMETIMES. SO IF. IF YOU WEREN'T COMING TO US TODAY, WOULD YOU JUST BE HOLDING OFF ON BUILDING THIS SECTION OF FLORENCE AND JUST PROVIDING THE SLIP STREET? I MEAN, IF WE IF WE PUSH OFF AND WE'RE NOT BUILDING FLORENCE, AND YOU'RE NOT BUILDING FLORENCE RIGHT NOW. AS THE JUSTICE SLIP STREET IN THE GROUND JOB GOT OVER TO BUILD IT RIGHT NOW, AND THAT'S THAT'S WHY, AS I THOUGHT ABOUT IT, I THOUGHT. YEAH WELL, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE PROCESS OF CONCRETE GO THE PRESS CONFERENCE PRETTY HIGH RIGHT NOW. UH BUT YOU ALSO HAVE. IF WE BUILD IT NOW, YOU'VE ALSO GOT A ROAD THAT IS GOING TO BE NEEDED MAINTENANCE OVER TIME. 
          LET'S TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD USUALLY MEANS MORE MAINTENANCE. I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE BIG CONCERN. BUT WHAT I THINK WE'RE OFFERING TO DO IS GIVE YOU THE MONEY. AND YOU ALL ARE IN CONTROL OF YOUR OWN DESTINY. WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR DISCOUNT ON WHAT IT WOULD COST US TO BUILD. IT JUST SEEMS TO BE A. AGAIN IF WE'RE GOING TO GO BUILD THAT ROAD WE WERE BUILDING WITH THE CURRENT PLANS AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE IN THIS ROOM KNOWS WELL ENOUGH HOW THAT CONNECTIONS CAN TAKE PLACE AND WHERE THIS ROAD SHOULD EXACTLY BE BUILT. WE'RE BUILDING OFF OF A FUTURE PLAN. THAT'S PROBABLY 10 TO 20 YEARS OUT. THE CONCRETE GOES UP. WELL YOU ALSO BE EARNING INTEREST ON THOSE FUNDS. SO IT'S THE DAY COSTS. UM OBVIOUSLY, WE DON'T WANT TO SPEND MORE TO TRY TO TRY TO, UH. COME UP TO A PRACTICAL SOLUTION I THINK IT'S REASONABLE. UH, JUST SEEMED LOGICAL TO ME. YEAH TO ME. I MEAN PART OF US. IF YOU REQUIRE TO BUILD NOW YOU'RE GOING TO WORK WITH TOWN IN TOWN ENGINEER FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHERE IT'S GOING TO INTERCEPT THE CORNER AND ALL THOSE THINGS. I MEAN, THAT PROCESS IS GOING TO HAPPEN SO, SAYING IT'S NOT DESIGNED AS. YOU KNOW PRETTY OBVIOUS, BUT I THINK AT THE SAME TIME IT WOULD 
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HAVE TO BE SOLVED ONE WAY OR ANOTHER TO START LAYING TO CONCRETE. UM BUT MY PRIMARY CONCERN IS THAT FUTURE DOLLAR EVEN IF WE DECIDE TO DO IT IN FIVE MONTHS. YOU KNOW, GET THE ENGINEERING GET DONE. WITH THE WAY THE ECONOMY IS GOING EVERYTHING ELSE THAT CONCRETE COULD IMMEDIATELY BETWEEN 25% HIGHER, SO PUSHING IT OFF AS A RISK IN MY EYES TO TOWN IN OUR TOWN BUDGET. IF WE WERE TO DO ANYTHING LIKE THIS, I MEAN, I'D HAVE TO SEE ALMOST A SMALL PREMIUM ON IT BECAUSE YOU'RE PUTTING A VERY UNKNOWN FACTOR INTO THE TOWN. BUT WITH THE REQUEST NOT INTENTIONALLY, BUT IT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I THINK THE RISK IS THAT IF WE BUILD IT NOW, WE DON'T KNOW THERE'S NO ONE UH, WHETHER IT BE HALF AND ASSOCIATES YOU CONSULT. NOBODY KNOWS WHAT THE ELEVATION OF FLOW OF FOR SEVEN. IF ANYONE KNOWS WHAT TECH STARTS GOING TO DO THEN PLEASE LET ME KNOW BECAUSE. THEY'RE THE HARDEST TO GUESS. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF MOVING PARTS AND. MY WHAT I WOULD GUESS AS WE END UP BUILDING THIS AND AS WE WORK OUT THE CONNECTIONS NORTH AND SOUTH, HALF OF WHAT WE BUILD NEEDS TO BE MOVED. AND THAT IN ITSELF IS JUST SEEMS LIKE A UH YEAH, NOT A SMART WAY TO SPEND MONEY. THAT'S WHY WE CAME TO. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT FLORENCE WILL MOVE EAST OR WEST BECAUSE, OH, PROBABLY GET A TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICE WHEN THEY EXPAND FOR US SALVATION. YEAH I ALSO DON'T SEE THAT CHANGING TIME WITH TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES LIKE A STOPLIGHT, BUT BESIDE THE FACT. WHAT'S THE DISTANCE FROM THE TOP OF THIS YELLOW SHADED AREA? 247 TODAY ABOUT 504 4500 FT. THAT'S A LOT OF RUN RATE THERE. AND FROM YOUR PHOTOS, THIS ELEVATION IS NOT TERRIBLE. UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, SO. LET'S SAY YOU. WE PUT THIS ONE DOWN AND WE PUSH THIS OFF FOR A LITTLE BIT AS YOUR INTENTION. THEN IF WE WERE TO DO THAT, TO JUST BUILD THE SLIP STREET JOG IT OVER TO THE EXISTING CORNER. WOULD BUILD WHAT SEAN AND GREY AND THEN WE WOULD, UH, WE WOULD SHARE OUR CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT AND WOULD RATHER TOWN TO CHECK FOR WHAT'S SHOWN AND YELLOW. SO IT WOULD BE A LONG SLIP STREET COLD SACK TIM HE'S ASKING, HOW WILL YOU EXCESS SLIP STREET? OH, UH, LET ME SEE IF IT'S ON HERE. SORRY ABOUT THAT. YOU CAN ACTUALLY WELL, IT COMES DOWN. YOU CAN SEE, UH. RIGHT HERE, WHERE THE WHERE IT COMES DOWN IN THE JOINTS ON, SO WE BUILD THE FIRST SECTION. JUST AS A CONCRETE LEADING YEP. DOES THIS, SAY, ORIGINAL PLATT THAT HAPPENED? BACK IN 2000. WHAT WAS IT 12 OR 13? THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. THE PLANNING. I'M WONDERING IF THIS WAS THE DESIGN OF THE PLANNING BECAUSE I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THE JOB TO THE EAST. WHY WE AREN'T CONNECTING THE CENTER OF FLORENCE ROAD TO THE NORTH TO THE CENTER OF MULTI LINE TO THE SOUTH, AND WE'VE GOT A STRAIGHT SHOT AS OPPOSED TO A CURVE INTO PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS RIGHT THERE. THE ROAD IS OFFSET A LITTLE BIT TO GET YOU TALKING ABOUT AS YOU GET TO FOUR OR SEVEN. I'M TALKING ABOUT THERE WITH THE RED ARROW IS SEE THE HOW THE STREET COMES STRAIGHT SOUTH, THEN JOGS EAST. YEAH SO THAT'S THAT'S THE TRANSITION TO EXISTING FLORENCE. THE ULTIMATE FLORENCE WOULD GO STRAIGHT UP LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, BUT TO GET TO, UM. TO GET TO THE EXISTING FLORENCE ABOVE 47. YOU JOG OVER BECAUSE THE ULTIMATE 407 NORTH. 
          I MEAN, THE ULTIMATE FLORENCE NORTH OF 407 WILL BE A FOUR LANE DIVIDED. SO THIS IS TO GET YOU TO THE EXISTING. FLORENCE RIGHT NOW THEY'RE TRYING TO BRING TWO LANES INTO FOUR LINES. 
          THAT'S PART OF THE CHALLENGES DEPENDING ON HOW FLORENCE, NORTH OF FOR SEVEN. GETS PLANNED FORWARD. WHAT THE ELEVATION OF THAT INTERSECTION IS. THAT'S THAT'S PART OF THE CONCERN. RIGHT AS I SAID, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM BUILDING THE LANES EXACTLY WHERE THE SHANK. 
          I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY OPPORTUNITY HERE TO TALK TO TEXT DOT ON THAT. BECAUSE YOU KNOW THEY'VE BEEN PLANNING THIS WESTWARD EXPANSION OF 47 FOR ABOUT 25 YEARS, SO I BET YOU. I BET YOUR MONEY THEY'VE GOT SOME PLANS THAT SHOW THE ELEVATION THERE. I KNOW. I WROTE A LETTER ABOUT 25 30 YEARS AGO TO TEXT DOT FOR THAT SPECIFIC REASON. THE SAT LINES RIGHT THERE THAT HILL THEY WERE ACTUALLY REPAVING. 47 AT THE TIME, AND I SAID CAN'T YOU JUST SHARE DOWN THAT HILL? OKAY AND THEY DIDN'T OBVIOUSLY, BUT I BET YOU THEY'VE GOT SOME PLANS THAT THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO SHARE WITH US OR WITH THE TOWN DREW IF YOU WERE TO CONTACT THEM AND SAY, HEY, WHAT ARE Y'ALL DOING HERE? COULD WE MATCH UP OUR ENGINEERING? I'VE SEEN THE PLANS FOR FM 11 71. I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS DETAILED PLANS FOR 407. I KNOW THERE THEY HAVE. 
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FINISH THE ROUTE STUDY WHICH WHICH WE WERE PART OF WITH ARGEL AND JUSTIN AND I BELIEVE THERE. NOW THAT THEY'VE GOT THAT THEY'RE STARTING THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN PLANS TO THAT LEVEL YET. BUT I WILL ASK. I WILL. I WILL TRY TO FOLLOW THROUGH EVEN WHEN THEY WERE DOING THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FOR THE GETTING CRAIG BIRDS THEY HAD PLANS FOR THE ROAD AND FOR BOTH SIDES OF THE BRIDGE. SO I'M JUST SAYING FOR THAT. FOR THAT SECTION. THAT WILL? YEAH, THAT SECTION WILL BEING OFF SYSTEM. SAYING THEY HAD KIND OF HAD THE PLANS BEFORE THEY DID THE ENVIRONMENTAL YOU KNOW, I'M SAYING, FOR SURE, AT LEAST PRELIMINARY, IF ANYTHING IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL CHANGED ANYTHING, THEN OF COURSE THEY WOULD. ALL OKAY. SEE WHAT I CAN FIND. TRY ABSOLUTELY. WHEN ONE QUESTION I MIGHT HAVE IS AND I DON'T MEAN. WOULD BE IF IN THE FUTURE IF THERE'S A CHANGE IN THOUGHT ON WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S A FALLING, DIVIDED. THAT IF WE BUILT TWO LINES THAT ARE EVER ON ONE SIDE. THEN THAT'S WHEN YOU END UP WITH A REAL SQUIGGLE FOR LACK OF BETTER WORDS, BECAUSE. EVERYWHERE WOULD YOU? WOULD YOU MIND POINTING OUT THE EXTENTS OF THE 120 FT RIGHT AWAY AND YOUR PLAN? UM, WHAT'S DENOTING THAT BECAUSE. LIKE I SAID, THIS JOB IF YOU DREW A STRAIGHT LINE JUST DROPPED THE PLUMB LINE FROM THE CENTER OF FLORENCE. YEP DOWN TO MULKEY 60 FT. EACH SIDE OF WHERE THE CENTERLINE OF FLORENCE IS, I BELIEVE. EXISTING FLORENCE. WE CAN CERTAINLY CONFIRM THAT UM LET ME SEE IF IT'S AROUND HERE. BUT YOU CAN SEE YOU CAN SEE ON THE TOP OF THAT. MAP. SO IT'S SLIGHTLY TO THE, UH, EAST. BUT HERE'S WHAT I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING. I'M NOT UNDERSTAND. WHY DOES WHAT JOGS EAST AGAIN. NOBODY'S EXPLAINED THAT TO ME. TO MAKE THE ALIGNMENT. YEAH. NO IT'S BETTER WITH EXISTING FLORENCE AS OPPOSED TO A JOB. IF WE DID A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS, WE'RE ONLY BUILDING TWO OF WHAT WILL BE FOUR LINES. SO IF WE BUILD TWO IN THE CENTER, THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO TEAR UP THE TWO THAT WE BUILD. I'M SORRY FOR THE MISUNDERSTANDING. NO. I BELIEVE, SINCE YOU ASKED THAT THE PART OF THE JOB IS BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING TO THEIR WITH. ALL OF THE ALL OF THE PROPERTY TO THE ON THE EAST SIDE HAS IS NOT OWNED BY US NOW. SO WE CAN'T CHANGE THAT LINE ANYMORE. 
          AND YOUR QUESTION ON THE PLANET. IT'S. THEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A SLIP STREET. OKAY? TOM SAID. WHAT. NOT NOT QUITE. ACTUALLY I APOLOGIZE, SO THEY'RE TRYING TO DO TWO THINGS AT ONCE. THEY'RE TRYING TO DO THE ULTIMATE, UH, TWO OF FOUR LANES KIND OF ON THE SOUTHERN END. BUT AS THEY GET TO 407, AND THEY'RE NOT. THEY'RE TRYING TO. UM ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE? THIS EXHIBIT RIGHT HERE OR THE ONE BEFORE WITH THE MORE DRASTIC SHIFT. 
          STRAIGHT LINE. AND THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT THEY'LL DO. ULTIMATELY THIS JOG OVER IS TO GET TO THE CURRENT, UH, CURRENT FLORENCE AND THIS THIS IS JUST A SCHEMATIC. IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT BY ANY MEANS DESIGNED SO GO GO ONE SLIDE BACK. YEAH SO THIS WAS JUST. AN APPROXIMATION IF WE HAD TO GET UP TO FLORENCE, UM, BUT THAT RIGHT AWAY, WE'LL GO. WE'LL GO STRAIGHT UP. UM, IT DOES. BUT TO TRANSITION IN THE INTERIM, YOU GO TO THE. 
          BEFORE THE FLORENCE ABOVE FOUR AND SEVEN. BUT YES, WHEN IT'S ALL FOUR LANES, IT'LL GO STRAIGHT. TO ME. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY IT WOULD BE. I AGAIN WERE FINED BUILDING THE LANES EXACTLY WHERE THE SEAN I JUST, UH IF THINGS WERE TO CHANGE IN THE FUTURE. ON THE 
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REST OF FLORENCE. THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO LINES THAT ARE WAY OVER ON THE SIDE. AND I DON'T THINK WE MIND IF WE BUILD THE EASTERN LANES OF THE WESTERN LANES WITH COMMUNICATED THAT TO THE TOWN WE'RE HAPPY TO BUILDING NOW, UH, THERE'S NO BENEFIT IN US FOR PUSHING THIS OFF. I THINK THAT IT MAKES IT SMART SENSE TO MAINTAIN SOME FLEXIBILITY. I UNDERSTAND WHY THE WHY WE WERE REQUIRED TO BUILD IT, AND WE'RE NOT ARGUING THAT AT ALL. I JUST BELIEVE THAT FROM WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE YOUR CONNECTIONS ARE ON EACH SIDE TO ME THAT. AH AND IT'S PROBABLY 10 OR 20 YEARS AT. AH THERE'S A BENEFIT FROM THAT FLEXIBILITY. THERE'S A BIG BENEFIT FOR THE TIME BENEFIT OF MONEY. IF YOU'RE GETTING THE SAME COST RIGHT NOW AND YOUR WEDDING 20 YEARS THAT MONEY CAN BE USED FOR LOTS OF OTHER PROJECTS. AND RECYCLED GROUND. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S ENTIRELY YOUR OPTION. WOULD YOU GO BACK TO THE DRAWING WITH THE BROADWAY? PLEASE. OUT. THIS ONE. YES. ME. MUCH AS. DOES IT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE SIZE OF LOTS ON THE WEST SIDE? BECAUSE IF YOU RUN THE ROAD, IT'S GOING TO TAKE UP THE SLIP STREET. OKAY AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ENCROACH EVEN FURTHER ON THOSE LOTS TO THE WEST. IS THAT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT? NO IT'S NO GETTING AT 1 20 FT RIGHT AWAY ALL THE WAY THROUGH FOR THE ROAD. AND IT'S AND IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT ORIGINAL PLATT. UH I THINK THIS. 
          I MEAN, IF YOU WERE TO MOVE IT TO THE WEST, YOU'RE GONNA BE GETTING RID OF A COMMON AREA, WHICH REALLY SEPARATES THE SUB STREET FROM THE. FROM WHAT? THE FALLING THERAPIST. I DON'T I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE A SMART WAY TO DESIGN IT BECAUSE THEN YOU'VE GOT TO SLIP STREET THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ON THE. UM ON THE COLLECTOR. I THINK I THINK ANOTHER THING IS MULKEY TO THE TO THE WEST OF THE HIGHLANDS. I THINK WE GOT ALL OF THE RIGHT AWAY FROM THE HIGHLANDS. USUALLY YOU TAKE HALF AND HALF, BUT BECAUSE WE WERE WORKING WITH THE HIGHLANDS SO THAT MULKEY YOU SEE NOW DOWN SOUTH OF THE FLOWER SHOP. DOWN THAT AREA HAS IS GOING TO BE SHIFTED OVER. SO THAT'S YES. CAUSE WE WITH. WELL TO THE TO THE RIGHT OF WAY. IT'S ALREADY DEDICATED TO THE DEDICATED RIGHT AWAY. CORRECT? NO, OF COURSE NOT. YEAH. YEAH THE YEAH. PROBABLY NO, NO, NO. 124 120 FT ALL THE WAY DOWN WITH DEDICATED BOTH SIDES OF THE RIGHT AWAY SOUTH OF WHERE NORTHWEST CROSSING IS WE'RE JUST JUST I'M ONLY HERE BECAUSE IT JUST DOESN'T. MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE TO ME TO BUILD AROUND THAT'S UH WHAT? CASTING THE DIE WHEN WE DON'T KNOW THE REST OF THE PLAN, SO THAT'S THAT'S ALL. THERE'S NO BENEFIT TO US WHATSOEVER. OKAY WELL, I JUST I KNOW I'VE HEARD FROM A LOT OF RESIDENTS OF, UM, THE HIGHLANDS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF CUT THROUGH IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK THIS WOULD ALLEVIATE. A LOT OF THAT CUT THROUGH IS TO HAVE A DIRECT ROUTE FROM 407 DOWN TO MULKEY AND ALLEVIATE THE CUT THROUGH INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I AGREE, BUT WE'RE NOT CONNECTING TO FOREST SEVEN, SO UNTIL THERE IS A CONNECTION TO FOR SEVEN IT DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE. IT DID ENDS ABOUT 500 FT. SHORT OF FOR SEVEN, SO I DON'T THINK IT GIVES ANY REAL CONNECTION, AND THAT'S WHY MY SUGGESTION IS TO TAKE THE MONEY. MAINTAIN THE FLEXIBILITY. USE THE MONEY FOR OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE THAT ARE NOW PROJECTS AND ONE OF THE BENEFITS WILL BE IS THAT YOU CAN JUST PROJECT CAN LATER ON, GO INTO A BOND PROJECT THAT'S LIKELY A LARGER PROJECT. AND THAT THAT MAKES PRACTICAL SENSE TO ME THAT AGAIN. IT'S ENTIRELY YOUR CHOICE. THERE'S NO BENEFIT TO US OTHER WAY. BUILDING THIS AT THE SAME TIME WE BUILT WITH DEVELOPING THE OTHER STUFF, WANT TO TAKE US ANY LONGER? THE DRAINAGE ISSUES? NOT REALLY. A BIG ISSUE JUST IS SOMETHING THAT'S WORTH SHARING. UM SO I THINK WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE FROM YOUR AS TO WHICH DIRECTION YOU'D LIKE TO GO. I'VE NOTICED A FEW EXPRESSIONS FROM PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE HERE MIRROR, BUT JUST PROPOSE IF COUNCILS CAN TO IT. WILDEST TOPIC IS FRESH IN EVERYONE'S 
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MIND TO FAMILIES HERE TO SPEAK ON THAT. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'D LIKE TO RUN THE AGENDA NIGHT. 
          BUT JUST THE. SO WE GET A LITTLE FEEDBACK FROM BOTH SIDES. JUST THE THOUGHT. DO WE WANT TO SPLIT THE PUBLIC COMMENT? CAN WE DO THAT? ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANKS, TIM. TAKE A SEAT FOR A MINUTE. WE'LL DO THAT. WE'LL SPLIT THE PUBLIC COMMENT TONIGHT. SO IF ANYONE WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC, WE CAN CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION. SORRY. PART. YES SO I JUST NEEDED TO FILL A CAR IN THE BACK. BUT WE'LL GO AHEAD AND OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS TOPIC AND THEN ON THE FRISBEE TOPIC IN A MINUTE. WE'LL FINISH PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER THAT ONE SO WE CAN HEAR ANY OTHER TOPICS THAT MIGHT BE OF INTEREST OF FOLKS. BUT THIS 
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SPECIFIC ONE THERE'S ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO TALK TONIGHT. IT IS. 66 PM WILL OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT AND NOW WE'RE LEGAL. SO WELCOME. UH BUT JUST WAVE AT ME AND, UH, COME ON AND COME UP AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND WE GIVE ABOUT THREE MINUTES PER PERSON TO SPEAK. SO FLOORS OPENS. ANYBODY WANT TO SPEAK TONIGHT ON THIS TOPIC? PLEASE DO BECAUSE I SAW ENOUGH EXPRESSIONS OUT THERE. THERE'S OBVIOUSLY SOME CONCERNED PEOPLE, BUT I HAVE NOT HEARD CONCERNS FROM ANYONE YET. I'M SURE THE REST OF COUNCIL BUT TO HEAR SOME DON'T BE SHY. HAVEN'T YOU GUYS ARENA. MY NAME IS MARK PEEL LIVE IN THE HIGHLANDS. HI, GUYS. UM. TIM THANKS FOR COMING IN AND BRINGING IT UP. IT'S GOOD TO HEAR WHAT THE PLANS ARE FOR THE HIGHLANDS. UM MY CONCERN IS THE SAFETY THE WHERE THE ROAD WHERE WE'RE PLAYING IN THE ROAD. I THINK RAINA WAS KIND OF HARPING ON IT. BRENNAN THE STRAIGHT LINE. WHAT I SEE WHAT I THINK SHE WAS TRYING TO GET WAS, IT MAKES SENSE OF STRAIGHT LINE, LESS CONCRETE, BUT IT ALSO I THINK WHAT IT DOES IS, IT ADDS TO A LITTLE BIT OF FOOTAGE TO THE BACKYARD OF SOME OF THESE INDIVIDUALS. 
          UH LOOKING AT WHAT I CAN TELL WHERE THE ROAD IS CARVED. IT'S ABOUT TWO FT. OFF OUR PROPERTY. 
          AND WHEN TIM TALKS ABOUT AND MAYBE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND ENCROACHMENT, THERE IS A RIDE AWAY THERE. YES BUT THAT RIGHT AWAY THAT 50 FT OF THAT IS MINE. EVEN THOUGH MY FENCE SINCE THERE. I'M STILL PAYING TAXES. MY PLAN SHOWS THIS IS MY PROPERTY. SO ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THAT ROAD. THIS FAR FROM MY PROPER. THERE'S NO SWELLS. THERE'S NO BURNS. YOUR SMACK FITS 50 FT AWAY. UM. THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. I THINK WHEN WE PUSH IT OVER, UH WHAT RENA WAS HARPING THAT I THINK IS GOING TO PUSH THE LAND BACK TO THE WEST, WHICH IS GOING TO ENCROACH INTO THE LOTS AND I UNDERSTAND. RECUTTING THOSE LOTS TRYING. TO HOWEVER, THEY'RE GOING TO BE, UM. I KNOW THAT TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY AND EFFORT. THE OTHER THING THAT I SEE IS, UH, TIM TALKED ABOUT IMPERVIOUS GROUND. DAD. THAT WAS COMMENTS THAT A LOT OF THAT'S GOING TO FLOW TO 47. BUT I CHALLENGE EVERYONE IN HERE TO WALK OVER THERE AND LOOK AT THAT HE'LL AND THE WAY IT IS, IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO FALL BACK TOWARDS MULKEY. BACK TOWARDS SOUTHERN SOUTHERLY CARESSED. AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, IF YOU'VE EVER COME OUT THERE AND LOOKED RIGHT THERE AT THE EDGE OF THAT EASEMENT OF THE ROAD WHERE THE ROAD IS THEY'VE COME IN, AND THEY'VE CUT UM. THE CONCRETE WALKWAY OR CART PATH OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, AND THEY PUT IN. IT LOOKS LIKE ABOUT AN 18 INCH OF OVERT PIPE. WELL WITH WHAT IS FLOWING NOW, THE WAY THEY CUT THAT THAT THING IS OVERWHELMED, WHICH GOES THROUGH THE BACKYARDS, WHICH IS MY BACKYARDS, UH, THE FLOW THERE'S MORE THAN JUST SAYING HERE'S SOME MONEY. YOU ALL BUILD THE ROAD. I THINK THERE'S MORE THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. 
          UM. SOUND BARRIERS. UH LIGHTING ENCROACHMENT ON OUR PROPERTY. I MEAN, ARE YOU ALL GOING TO ANNEX OUR PROPERTY AND SAY SORRY, I KNOW THAT THAT'S 50 FT OF YOURS, BUT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT. WE'RE GOING TO PUT A WALKWAY OR WE'RE GOING TO THROW A BIG BERM. THAT'S WHAT YOU ALL WANT THERE ANYWAY, RIGHT? WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WANT TO KNOW OVER IT OR CHANGE IT UP. 
          CONSIDER THE BIG PICTURE. THANK YOU. JUST AS A FACTUAL COMMENT ON 120 FT RIGHT AWAY ON THE SECTION TO KIND OF GET TO YOUR POINT. UM AND THE TWO FT OFF OF YOUR FENCE, SO THE RIGHT WAY STARTS TWO FT. OFF YOUR FENCE. THERE IS ON THIS DRAWING HERE. THE SWELL IS 17 FT. FROM THAT. 
          IN ANOTHER FOOT OR TWO FOR THE ACTUAL ROAD. THE STARTS ABOUT 20 FT OFF JUST FACTUAL STATEMENT. OKAY, NO BEARING EITHER WAY, JUST HELP YOU UNDERSTAND THAT I APPRECIATE. 
          THE SIGHT LINES WHAT YOU'VE SEEN STAKED OUT AT THE EDGE OF THE RIGHT AWAY IS ONLY THE BEGINNING OF THE FULL RIGHT AWAY FOR THE ROAD. THAT'S NOT CONCRETE. THAT'S THE SOIL HAS TO BE BUILT IF IT'S A RURAL SECTION. IF IT'S AN URBAN SECTION, THEN THAT CAN STAY AS 
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IS IN THE ROAD WOULD BE COLLAPSED EVEN FURTHER, SO THAT'S A IT'S LESS THICK IN TERMS OF WIDTH. BUT IN URBAN ONE WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT WITH IT, RATHER THAN USING A DITCH. HER TIM TALKING ABOUT THAT WASN'T GOING TO BE OLDER SWELLS. IS THAT CORRECT? HE'S NODDING HIS HEAD. SO THE DESIGN TODAY IS WHAT. NO, IT IS TODAY IS OPEN BECAUSE IT'S A RURAL SECTION. RURAL MEANS OPEN SWELLS. DON'T FORGET. WE'VE GOT, UH, ONLINE AUDIENCE, SO IF THERE'S COMMENTS, PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE SO WE CAN GET THOSE ALL RECORDED. APOLOGIZE YES. YEAH. NO, WE'RE JUST CLARIFYING SO. THAT IS IT CURRENTLY TODAY AS DESIGNED, IT WILL HAVE OPEN DITCHES BECAUSE IT'S A RURAL SECTION. AND WHAT MR COLTART IS SAYING IS THAT BY LEAVING IT FLEXIBLE, WE CAN REDESIGN THAT IN THE FUTURE TO BE A MORE NARROW ROADWAY, WHICH WOULD LEAVE MORE SPACE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ROAD. WITHOUT A DITCH. 
          THEREFORE THE ROADWAY TO BE THINNER AND THAT'S WITH AN ULTIMATE FORM. THE ISSUE TODAY IS THAT EASTERN ROADWAY THAT HAS TO BE BUILT HAS TO BE BUILT TO WHERE THE EASTERN ROADWAY WILL BE, WHICH IS SMACK UP AGAINST THE RIGHT AWAY WITH THE DITCH. BECAUSE IF YOU PUT IT DOWN THE MIDDLE, THAT ENTIRE SECTION HAS TO BE RIPPED OUT. IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A FOUR LANE PUT IN IT COSTS OF THE TOWN, SO HE'S GOT TO BUILD ONE OF THE TWO LANE SECTIONS AT THIS POINT, AND IT'S CURTAIN ITS FUTURE LOCATION. SO THAT THOSE ARE SOME OF THE WRINKLES. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S GOT OPEN DITCHES. WHICH WILL WHICH PUT SOME SPACE FOR YOU? SO SORRY. 
          WE'RE. SO IF I COULD JUST ASK QUESTIONS, SO THIS THE FUNDS THAT WOULD GO TOWARD THIS WOULD BE TO BUILD A RURAL SECTION OF ROAD. CORRECT OKAY, THAT'S ALL HE'S RESPONSIBLE FOR. RIGHT SO IF WE DECIDE TO TAKE IT TO AN URBAN SECTION, WE PAY THE DIFFERENCE. CORRECT. YES WE WANT ANY DESIGN CHANGES, OKAY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WAS ESTABLISHED IN THE DEVELOPER AGREEMENT. OKAY. THANK. SO UH, DAN? YES, OKAY. SO I. IT'S MY FIRST ONE. WAS ASKED TO COME TO REPRESENT THE. HIGHLANDS FOLKS THAT LIVE ALONG THE ROAD BACK UP TO THIS AREA. YOU GET UP TO YEAH. SO A COUPLE THINGS I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT SO UNDERSTANDING. URBAN VERSUS RURAL. IT'S GOING TO GIVE US A FEW FEET EXTRA RIGHT? SO. KEEP IN MIND THERE IS A WALKING TRAIL THAT BACKS TO THE END OF OUR PROPERTY. TECHNICALLY, IT'S ON OUR PROPERTY. FROM THE BACK SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY LINE. TO OUR FENCE LINE. IS DEPENDING ON THE AREA. IT'S 50 FT OR 30 FT. 
          I THINK SO THE ROAD THAT SHOWS AND I ACTUALLY WALKED OUT THERE THE OTHER DAY. IT'S. 15 AND I'LL BE GENEROUS POND AND 6 17. 17 FT. TO THE ROAD. AND SO WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THIS ROAD IS BEING CREATED. TWICE AS CLOSE. TO THE WALKWAY AS THE EASEMENT REQUIRES US TO PUT OUR FENCES WHICH. I WILL JUST SAY VISUALLY, THAT LOOKS REALLY ROUGH. UM BUT EVEN MORE IMPORTANT TO ME IS YOU HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND JUST THE DESIGN PLAN OF THE HIGHLANDS. AND OPEN CONCEPT, RIGHT? SO KEEP IN MIND THAT WE'VE GOT THREE RAIL FENCES. SO IF YOU HAVE A ROAD THAT YOU PUT 15 FT FROM THAT WALKWAY. THEN SORT OF 17 FT FROM THE WALKWAY. UM, WE'VE GOT OPEN FENCING. THAT WE'VE ALL GOT. KIDS WE'VE ALL GOT DOGS THAT BACK UP TO THAT. THERE'S CURRENTLY I KNOW THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BERMS AND TREES. THERE'S THE VISUAL ASPECT OF JUST THE PROPERTY VALUES THAT HAS SOME PEOPLE VERY UPSET. BUT I THINK THERE'S ALSO A VERY REAL ASPECT OF THE SAFETY. AND THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BURNED BETWEEN ANY BUSY ROADS. IT ALSO HAS FENCES. THEN. HOW IT IS SET UP RIGHT NOW. I'M JUST TELLING YOU, THERE'S NOT PHYSICALLY ENOUGH ROOM TO PUT THOSE SAFETY. THINGS IN PLACE, AND I THINK THAT'S OUR BIGGEST CONCERN. UM, LOOK, I DON'T. I'M NOT THE MONEY PERSON. I'M NOT GREAT AT DESIGNS AND PLATZ. BUT I CAN TELL YOU IS THIS LOOKS LIKE. IT WAS DESIGNED A LONG TIME AGO BEFORE A LOT OF THIS WAS ACTUALLY PUT IN PLACE. AND. AT SOME POINT, YOU WOULD HOPE THAT SOME COMMON SENSE WOULD COME INTO PLAY AND WE CAN ACTUALLY JUST GO OUT THERE AND LOOK AND SEE. OKAY, WELL. WE'RE GOING TO PUT A WHAT WE'RE SAYING NOW IS A FOUR LANE. BUSY ROAD. 15 17 FT OFF OF PEOPLE, SPENCE LINES THAT'S OPEN THINGS. AND THEN WE'RE LEAVING A HUGE. GAP IN 
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BETWEEN THAT ROAD AND THE SLIP ROAD. IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM. TO ADJUST THINGS TO BE ABLE TO ACCOUNT FOR THE ADDITIONAL SPACE, SO WHETHER THAT'S BERMS, WHETHER THAT'S TREES UM I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT. AND IF MOVING THAT OUT. HELPS US ACTUALLY PUT TOGETHER A GOOD PLAN THAT I'M DEFINITELY FOR THAT. I THINK. MOST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. CERTAINLY CLARIFY YOUR COMMENTS SO THE REALITY IS RIGHT NOW. THAT TO BUILD OR NOT BUILD IN THAT LOCATION IS THE ONLY OPTION WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US. SO IT WILL BE 17 FT OFF. UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR OFF THE CONCRETE FROM THE WALKING TRAIL BEGINS THIS SECTION DO WE KNOW EXACTLY HOW FAR THE CONCRETE IS IN THIS DESIGN FROM THE WALK AWAY? WE DON'T AT 17 PLUS RIGHT. WE PROBABLY DO. JUST DON'T RIGHT NOW. OKAY? ALL RIGHT, SO WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT. UM BUT THIS FOUR LANE DESIGN IS ALREADY BOXED IN 120 FT RUNAWAYS WHAT'S NEEDED TO DO TO SWALES TO FOUR LANE SECTIONS IN THE MEDIAN? SO THAT THAT'S WHAT IT IS. IT'S LIKE CLEVELAND GIBBS THROUGH THE HARVEST. NEIGHBORHOOD SO IT CAN EITHER GO THERE NOW OR IT CAN WAIT TILL LATER, BUT IT WILL BE IN THE SAME SPOT. THAT ISN'T AN OPTION WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US TO CHANGE THE LOCATION OF THE ROAD. I WAS GOING TO ASK MAYBE WHAT? I'M THINK I'M HEARING FROM YOU. IS THAT IF THIS WORD WERE TO GET BUILT TODAY, PLEASE BUILD THE WESTWARD SECTION FIRST, AND IF IT NEVER EXPANDS BEFORE LANES THAT NEVER EXPANDS TO FOUR LANES. I'LL BE HONEST. THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON WHY ARE WE DOING FOUR LENS BUT UM, BECAUSE IT SEEMS RIDICULOUSLY WIDE. HAVING SAID THAT, THAT'S WELL, EVENTUALLY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ENTRANCE ON YOUR SOUTH SIDE. OF THE HOLLANDS OKAY, AND THERE'S GOING TO BE A HUGE 148 ACRE. SPORTS COMPLEX ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF MONKEY LANE. IS THAT TRAFFIC GOING TO GO? YOU DON'T WANT IT TURNING ONTO YOUR INTO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND GOING THROUGH YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT? YOU PREFER THAT STAYS ON MULTI AND HAS A RIGHT? I DON'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE ASKING, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE PLACEMENT OF THE ROAD AND. 
          WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO ME IS ACTUALLY BEING THOUGHTFUL AND DESIGN AND THE SAFETY BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT IS RIGHT OFF OF THAT TRAIL. WELL, THERE'S A 17 FT DITCH. THAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT, SO IT'S GOING TO BE AN OPEN SWELL. YEAH, I WANT TO BE CLEAR LIKE 17. FT IS, HM? IT'S ENGINEERED TO STANDARD. SO THAT I MEAN, BUT AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. BUT THAT'S NOT A DECISION WE CAN MAKE TODAY BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT AN ULTIMATE FOUR LANE DOES TO THAT SECTION. NO. 22 POINTS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON HERE IN THE NEXT YEAR. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LAND USE ASSUMPTIONS. THE PNC IS GOING THROUGH THAT AND PART OF THAT IS OF VALUE ATING THE POTENTIAL TRAFFIC FLOW. 10 TO 20 YEARS IN THE FUTURE ON FLORENCE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE HAVING THE SAME DISCUSSION ON THE NORTH PART OF IT HERE IN A FEW MINUTES. AS TO WHETHER FOUR LANES IS WARRANTED. WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE THAT DECISION HERE AND NOW BECAUSE THIS IS ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS TWO LANES AND WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE BUILDING TWO LANES RIGHT NOW, THE QUESTION THAT HAS TO BE MADE FOR THIS COUNCIL IS. IF WE GO FORWARD, WITH TWO LANES BEING CONSTRUCTED, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS TWO LANES TO NOWHERE? WE'D HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO CONNECT IT AND MAKE A TWO LANE CONNECTOR. 24 OR SEVEN BUT THE PLACEMENT OF IT AS FAR AS THE EASTERN LANES ARE CONCERNED, IS GOING TO BE IN THE SPOT WHERE IT'S DESIGNED ON HERE, WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS GOING TO FEEL LIKE A SERIOUS ENCROACHMENT. SO THE THING I WOULD SAY IS WHAT WE BOUGHT THOSE HOUSES KNOWING THIS WAS GOING INTO PLACE, RIGHT? TOTALLY DON'T KNOW THAT EVERYBODY DID. BUT. SO WE ARE AWARE THAT THE ROAD IS GOING THERE. WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS. LET'S TAKE THE TIME TO ACTUALLY PUT THOUGHT INTO WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND MAKE SURE THAT VISUALLY. IT'S WE'RE TAKING WHATEVER STEPS WE NEED TO SEPARATE THE ROAD FROM EVERYONE'S BACKYARDS, AND THEN FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, THAT WE'RE NOT PUTTING THAT RIGHT ON THE TRAIL. LIKE EVEN IF YOU MIRROR WHAT IS CURRENTLY USED FOR THE REST OF THE HIGHLANDS TRAILS TO 407. THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE. BUT PUTTING IT RIGHT ON TOP OF THE ROAD IS. OH I WISH I COULD ENTERTAIN MOVING IT. BUT AS ENGINEERED, THAT'S ALL THE SPACE THERE IS. THERE'S 100 20 FT TO WORK WITH. YOU CAN'T SHIFT IT 120 FT BECAUSE YOU GET DITCHES ON BOTH SIDES. SO UNLESS THE ROADWAY HAS CHANGED TO A TWO LANE. AN ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE WITH BARRIERS. THAT'S THE ONLY TIME WE COULD ENTERTAIN THAT, SO I'M NOT GOING TO FILIBUSTER. NICE PLACES FOR THE NEXT PIECE, AND 
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YOU SHOULD ENTERTAIN CHANGING FOR LINES. OKAY, THAT'S THAT'S SOME FEEDBACK WE CAN WORK ON. 
          OKAY GOOD. THANK YOU. FOR THAT APPRECIATE LETTING US CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT. BRIAN. THE CITY COUNCIL BRIAN DAVENPORT, RESIDENTS OF THE HIGHLANDS AS WELL. I'M IMPACTED NOT ONLY BY 47, BUT ALSO THE FUTURE OF FLORENCE. CONNECTOR UM, I SUPPORT TIM'S PLANS TONIGHT AS WELL AS STANDS COMMENTS. I WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER. THE OPTION OF EITHER TAKING THE MONEY FROM THE HIGHLANDS SO THAT A LONG TERM PLAN COULD BE DEVELOPED. UH TRUE, TALKED ABOUT AN EIGHT YEARS. IT'S CHANGED QUITE A BIT. I EXPECT IN THE NEXT 10 TO 20 AS YOU REFERENCED WHEN IT'S BUILT OUT. IT'S GOING TO CHANGE A BIT MORE. SO I'D ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER TIM'S PROPOSAL TO TAKE THE MONEY SO THAT LONG TERM VISION COULD BE PLANNED EFFECTIVELY AND IN THE EVENT THAT THE COUNCIL CHOOSES NOT TO, I WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL. 
          REQUEST THAT THE LANES BE CONSTRUCTED ON THE WEST SIDE SO THAT THEY'RE FURTHER AWAY FROM THE DEVELOPMENT RATHER THAN THEIR WHERE THEY'RE CURRENTLY PLANTED ON THE EAST SIDE FOR THE REASONS OF SAFETY AS WELL AS AESTHETICS, UM, KNOWING THAT IT MAY NEVER BE BUILT UP TO FOUR LINES, I THINK IT ONLY MAKES SENSE TO SEPARATE THAT FURTHER FROM THE ESTABLISHED DEVELOPMENT. SO THAT THERE IS THAT SPACE BETWEEN THE TWO AREAS. OKAY, THAT'S MUCH CLEARER. GREAT. THANK YOU. UH I APOLOGIZE THAT WE CAN'T MOVE THE EASTERN LEADS. BUT TALKING ABOUT REPLACING AND BUILDING THE WESTERN LANES IS THAT'S A FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE THAT WE CAN. YEAH WE CAN CONSIDER I WAS GETTING TO THEIR OKAY. THANK YOU. I DIDN'T GET IT. 
          APPRECIATE YOU WORKING WITH US. THANK YOU, BRIAN. ANY OTHERS TONIGHT ON THE TOPIC FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS HIGHLANDS ROAD? ALL RIGHT. YES, TIM. ARE WE GOING TO RETURN ARE RETURNING TO THE TOPIC FOR DISCUSSION OR YOU DOING PUBLIC COMMENT, COMMENT THIS THAT'S OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT LET'S LET'S CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. I THINK WE'RE DONE AND WE'LL COME BACK TO THE TOPIC OR JUST ONE SECOND, SO IT IS 6 22 PM. ENCLOSED PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS HIGHLAND 
          [2.A. Presentation from Realty Capital to contribute funds to Town road projects in lieu of construction of a portion of future Florance Road (Part 2 of 2)]
SECTION WILL RETURN FOR REGULAR PUBLIC COMMENT IN A FEW MINUTES. WE'RE BACK TO ITEM A AND WHAT DID YOU HAVE FOR US? JUST A CONFIRMED WE DON'T MIND IF IT'S THE WESTLANDS, THE EAST LINES THAT WERE OPEN TO EITHER CHALLENGE IS GOING TO BE TIMING, SO WE WOULD LOVE SOME GUIDANCE FROM COUNCIL. TO BE ABLE TO HELP US WE'VE REACHED OUT BEFORE BEFORE THEY HAD REACHED OUT TO US. WE'D ALREADY REACHED OUT TO DREW ALONG THE SAME THING JUST FOR PRACTICALITY STANDPOINT. BUT I DON'T THINK WE MIND WHICH LINES IT IS. I JUST IT WAS IT WAS MY MONEY AND MY ROAD I'D LIKE. ONCE YOU'RE FACING ON PHASE TWO. I HAVE NOT GERMAN PHASE TWO IS PRETTY MUCH SOLD OUT FACED THREE'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW THREE A AND THREE B, WHICH IS THE SECTION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THAT'S BEING GRADED AND WE'RE ABOUT TO STOP ON UTILITIES RATIONAL, SO SOLD OUT, BUT LAST I DON'T GO THAT WAY VERY OFTEN, BUT. HOW MANY STRUCTURES ARE OPEN, FACE TO OR PARTIAL. I DON'T I DON'T READ THIS CARD. I WOULD GET THIS COMPACT 25 TO 30, OKAY? WELL, MY PERSONAL GUIDANCE COUNSELOR IS TO LOOK AT I MEAN, THE WESTERN LANES MAKES SENSE TODAY, WHETHER OR NOT IT GETS BUILT UP WHETHER OR NOT WE TAKE THE MONEY OR HAVE HIM BUILD IT. WHERE WE BUILD IT LATER. THE WESTERN PLAINS MAKE SENSE TO ME RIGHT NOW BECAUSE HE'S NOT GOING TO RE YEAH, DESIGNED THE. THE RIGHT AWAY IS THAT HE'S GRANTING TO THE TOWN AT THIS POINT. IT'S TOO FAR IN THE GAME FOR THAT. SO I WOULD JUST LOOK AT LET'S DO THE WEST LANES FIRST AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS AT HIM OR US OR NO. ONE AT THIS TIME. I AGREE WITH THAT SENTIMENT, ALTHOUGH I'D GO FURTHER AND SAY, I THINK WE SHOULD JUST SCRAP IT AND TAKE THE MONEY BECAUSE FRANKLY, IT IS STILL A ROAD TO NOWHERE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT FINISHING AT THIS POINT UNLESS WE DECIDE TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY. TO REDESIGN FOR SEVEN. TODAY AND PUT THE ROAD THROUGH IN THAT EXTRA 500 FT SECTION. THAT'S GOING TO COST US QUITE A BIT TO PUT TWO LANES UP TO AT THE FOUR OR SEVEN AND CROSSING. IT COSTS US ALMOST A MILLION BUCKS TO GET THIS. THESE ROADS IN THIS LIGHT AND UP HERE. IF WE GET IN THE INVOLVEMENT FOR SEVEN WE'RE GOING TO BE UP THE CREEK FOR A LOT OF MONEY MAKES THE 300 SOME 1000 SOUND A LITTLE LOW, DOESN'T IT? WELL FOR RURAL SECTION WELL, WE'RE KIND OF BRAIN STORMING THE. THE SOUTH SECTION OF THE HIGHLANDS. MULKEY WILL BE A CHIP SEAL FURTHER DEVELOPER AGREEMENT. 
          THESE FUNDS COULD BE MARRIED WITH THE AMOUNT FOR THE CHIPS, HE'LL PROBABLY POSSIBLY GET COMPLETE PAVEMENT OR AT LEAST AN ASPHALT PAVING OF THAT. WE'LL LOOK AT THE NUMBERS SO. 
          THAT'S ANOTHER IDEA OF THE IMMEDIATE USE OF THAT. THOSE FUNDS. ANOTHER THING IS YOU AND YOU AND YOU HIT ON THIS END OF THE DESIRE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS TO CREATE CREATE A BIGGER BUFFER. WE COULD LOOK AT A. UH TAKING THE 1 20, BUT GOING TO A URBAN SECTION AND GET AT LEAST 
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10 FT ON EACH SIDE. UM IF I GOT THAT RIGHT, AND SO. THEY THAT GIVES A LITTLE BIT MORE ROOM FOR BUFFER. NOW IT'S GOING TO BE CURB AND GUTTER. IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE, BUT IT COULD BE PART OF A LARGER PROJECT SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE AND GIVE US. THAT ABILITY TO PLAN THAT FOR THOSE, UH, FOR THAT EXTRA SPACE IS THAT SIMILAR TO THE HARVEST CLEVELAND GABE SECTION, SO IT'S GOT THE TREE LINE DRIVE BOTH IN THE MEDIA AND IN ON THE. ON THE SIDES. YEAH WE DON'T HAVE DITCHES. WE'VE GOT THAT WE'VE GOT UNDERGROUND WATER, WHICH AVOIDS SOME OF THE DRAINAGE ISSUES. OKAY? JUST A QUICK QUESTION WAS THE DEVELOPER REQUIRED TO BUILD THE NORTH SOUTH LINE OF MULTI FROM NORTHWEST CROSSING DOWN TO THE 90 DEGREE TURN AS AS THEY FACE? YES SO THAT'S GOT TO BE BUILT ANYWAY, RIGHT? THAT PORTION? YES. OKAY, SO THAT'S GOING TO BE. RIGHT. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE NORTH SOUTH PORTION FROM. 
          NORTHWEST SO THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD ALL THE WAY FROM NORTHWEST CROSSING ALL THE WAY DOWN SOUTH AND THEN BACK EAST TO THEIR PROPERTY LINE. CORRECT CORRECT, BUT IT WILL BE THREE DIFFERENT SURFACES. THE INTERIOR WILL BE PAVED. THE NORTH SOUTH SECTION WILL BE, UH, WE'RE PARTNERING WITH THEM IS SUPPOSED TO BE. AN ASPHALT OVERLAY. WE'RE DOING SOME, UH, SOME SUB GRADE WORK AS WE DO THOSE, AND THEN THE LAST SECTION WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CHIP SEAL AND YOU'VE SEEN HOW STRAIGHTER HAS LASTED WITH THAT TRAFFIC. SO. YES, MA'AM. YES, MA'AM. YES. ALL RIGHT, SO THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF GUIDANCE IS SO THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME CLEAR PLAN FOR STAFF TO WORK ON TO BRING US BACK A ACTION ITEM ON THIS, SO WE'VE GOT. WE'VE GOT TWO THINGS TO BASIC ONES BUILDING OR NOT BUILDING TO BUILD IT. OBVIOUSLY THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME CHANGES, AND WE NEED TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SIZE AND BRINGING ACTION ITEM BACK FOR FIGURING OUT HOW TO FUND A. YOU KNOW A CONNECTION TO FOUR OR SEVEN IF WE WANT TO BUILD IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH. BUT WHAT DIRECTION DO YOU WANT TO GO COUNCIL? ON THIS. NOT BUILD IT. BUILD IT. BUILD IT ALL THE WAY. 
          I WOULD SAY IT CAN PROBABLY WAIT FOR NOW, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE COULD HAVE END UP WITH A REALLY FUNKY ENTRANCE OFF OF THE CORNER OF NORTHWEST CROSSING AND MULKEY. THERE'S NO DOUBT UM SO WE. BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING, BUT BE GOOD TO HAVE A PLAN FOR THAT. UM BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE AN UP AND OVER AND UP IT'S JUST I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S WHY WE HEARTBURN WITH IT. NO, I'D LIKE TO SEE A PLAN AS WELL. AND I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME KIND. SOME SORT OF COORDINATION WITH TEXTILE ABOUT THAT INTERSECTION JUST TO KNOW WHAT THEY'VE GOT PLANNED FOR IT. THEY DON'T. THE DESIGNS. THEY DON'T HAVE THE DESIGNS AT THE ENGINEERING LEVEL TO BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH IT. EVEN TO THE NORTH. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT INTERSECTION THEM LOOK LIKE THEY HAVE AN ENGINEERED FOR A SEVEN YEAR. I MEAN, THE INTERSECTION IS WHATEVER WE BRING TO IT. MY CONCERN IS IF WE TAKE THE MONEY NOW, WHAT'S THE FUTURE COST GOING TO BE AGREED. BUT IF IT'S BUILT THE WRONG BUT IF IT'S BUILT AS A RURAL SECTION, AND WHAT FOLKS WANT, WHAT WE WANT IS AN URBAN SECTION TO MAKE IT NARROWER AND GIVE MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR BUFFERS. AND IT HAS TO BE REDESIGNED, AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN ENTERTAIN RIGHT ON THE FLY. OR WE COULD PAY THE OVER RIDGE OF THE URBAN SECTION VERSUS THE RURAL SECTION, WHICH WOULD ACTUALLY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ROOM FULL OF ENGINEERS HERE, BUT I THINK IT WOULD MAKE THE ROADS SAFER ANYWAY, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO CURVES. TO GO UP OVER IF A CAR WERE TO, YOU KNOW, RUN UP OR WHATEVER IT MAKE IT SLIGHTLY SAFER, BUT. WE COULD PLAY THE OVER TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IF THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BUILD. 
          RURAL SECTION AND WE WANT AN URBAN SECTION. I'M WITH. COUNCIL MEMBER GANZ HERE. I THINK THE COSTS ARE ONLY GOING TO GO UP FROM HERE. RIGHT GO AND CURB AND GUTTER. UH WITH ALL THAT STORM DRAIN IS GOING TO INCREASE THE COST SIGNIFICANTLY. UM. AND WE DON'T KNOW. YOU KNOW THE COSTS ARE GOING TO GO UP, BUT THE CURRENT DEMAND ON CEMENT MAY GO DOWN. I MEAN, ONE OF THE. THINGS THAT MUNICIPALITIES DO GOVERNMENTS DO IS WE'RE ABLE TO SPEND IN. 
          THE DOWNTIME SOMETIME, AND SO THAT'S USUALLY THE BEST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK IS TO DO THAT. SO. 
          AND AGAIN. I DON'T. I'M NOT ECONOMIST SO I DON'T KNOW THE TIME VALUE OF MONEY, BUT I KNOW WE HAVE CURRENT NEEDS FOR THAT MONEY. UM I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE, UH ENOUGH. AND THE ELASTICITY TO DO THAT STORM DRAIN AND TO DO THAT, CURB AND GUTTER. WE'RE ALREADY STRETCHED PRETTY TIGHT ON ALL OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS. IF WE. PUT THIS TOGETHER IN A LARGE, UH. GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND PROJECT, EVEN PARTNER WITH THE COUNTY. YOU KNOW IT. THIS STARTS TO BE, ESPECIALLY IF 
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YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE STRETCH OF FLORENCE. THIS STARTS TO BE A PRETTY SMALL PROPORTION OF WHAT THAT WHOLE PROJECT IS GOING TO BE, BECAUSE WE'RE WE'RE STILL ON THE HOOK FOR FROM 407 UP TO OLD JUSTIN AND FROM SEVEN DOWN THE FUTURE 11 71. AND WE'RE TALKING. WE'RE TALKING PRETTY SIGNIFICANT ROADWAY IN THE FUTURE AND. WHERE DOES THIS SECTION WHERE IS IT GOING TO LINE UP IN THAT LARGER ROAD? POSE IT'S JUST SOME THINGS TO FURTHER COMPLICATE YOUR DISCUSSIONS IF YOU DON'T MIND, BUT THE SECTION BETWEEN NORTHWEST CROSSING AND FOUR OF SEVEN IS GOING TO BE THE SAME DESIGN AND BUILD AS THE SECTION FROM NORTHWEST CROSSING SOUTH. TO THE EAST WEST PORTION OF MULTI. IS THAT CORRECT, AS CURRENTLY DESIGNED? NO NO, THE CURRENT FROM THE SECTION FROM NORTHWEST CROSSING TO, UH, DOWN TO THE CORNER IS JUST AN ASPHALT OVERLAY OVER THE EXISTING ROAD WAY. ARE YOU ASKING IN THE FUTURE? ARE YOU ASKING WHAT'S BEING BUILT NOW FROM THE DEVELOPER WAS WHENEVER DEVELOPER AGREEMENT REQUIRES THAT TO BE AN ASPHALT OVERLAY OVER THE EXISTING ALIGNMENT. WHAT WE'VE DONE IS. THE TOWN HAS GONE IN AND IMPROVE THE SUB GRADE, BUT THEIR REQUIREMENT WAS TO PUT A BELIEVE IT TWO INCH ASPHALT OVERLAY OVER THE EXISTING ROAD. OKAY, SO JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY HERE, WHY WAS THE DIFFERENCE IN THE ROAD TIGHT AND BUILD LEVEL OF QUALITY FROM THE. SECTION FROM THE SOUTH OF NORTHWEST CROSSING TO THE SECTION TO THE NORTH OF NORTHWEST PROCESS AT THE TIME, THERE WAS NO IT WASN'T KNOWN. THAT PECAN SQUARE, UH, WAS GOING TO DEVELOP. AND SO IT WAS REALLY A ROAD THAT WASN'T GOING TO GET MUCH TRAFFIC. UH, AND IT WAS MAINLY TO CONTROL DUST TO DO THE CHIP SEAL. SO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE HOLDER IS HOLDER IS A LOW TRAFFIC AREA. THE CHIP SALES HOLDING UP. HAS HOLD IT HELD UP BETTER THAN STRAIGHTER, SO IT'S MAINLY, UH, DUST CONTROL MEASURE. BUT NOW THAT YOU'RE GONE SQUARE IS THERE IT'S OBVIOUSLY GONNA IT COULD POTENTIALLY GET MORE TRAFFIC. SO IT'S CHANGED. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. THAT WAS WHAT THE PLAN WAS BEFORE. GOD SQUARE HAPPENED, BUT. YOU REQUIRED A CONCRETE SECTION FROM NORTHWEST CROSSING NORTH. AT THE SAME TIME, YOU WERE REQUIRING A CHIP SEAL TO THE SOUTH. CORRECT BECAUSE THAT WAS THAT WAS IN THE DEVELOPMENT. AND SO THAT WAS THE NEGOTIATIONS TO HAVE THE ULTIMATE SECTION. THROUGH THERE. ALRIGHT SO BACK TO THE QUESTION AT HAND COUNSELORS STILL NEED TO HEAR FROM A BUNCH OF YOU ON. WHAT DO WE DO AT THIS JUNCTURE DO IS JUST SUSPEND THE BUILD OF IT, TAKE THE MONEY AND THEN FIGURE OUT WHAT THIS WHOLE CORRIDOR NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE. OR DO WE GO FORWARD WITH A PLAN TO BUILD THE WESTERN ALIGNMENT AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO CONNECTED TO 47 AND COME UP WITH THE MONEY. WE WORK ON OKAY, BILL. A SECOND TIME. WE DON'T NEED EMOTION A SECOND, BUT I ACCEPT YOUR, UM YOUR COMMENTS. LET'S GET A PICTURE OF HOW MUCH THAT MAINTENANCE WAS GOING TO COST US BECAUSE IT'S GONNA IT'S GONNA BE GRADED. IT'S NOT ABOUT MAYBE 2000 ANNUALLY. YEAH, FOR MONTH. OR ANNUALLY PER YEAR. 
          2000 YEAR WE'VE WE HAVE LOTS OF RIGHT AWAY HERE IS THAT WE MAINTAIN WE'VE GOT THOSE NEW TRACK MOWERS THAT THEY LOVE DRIVING. THANK YOU MAKE SURE WORK OF IT. SUCH SOME WOULD SAY THEY'RE NOT MAINTAINING ENOUGH SO I DON'T WANNA PUT TOO MUCH ON THEIR PLATE. THAT'S ALL. UH WE WERE ABOUT TO GET THE SECOND ONE. WE HAVE A SECOND ONE, SO AND THEN WITH THAT, THAT DESIGN WE TALKED ABOUT IT THE CORNER AND HOW IT'S GOING TO JOG INTO THERE. SINCE WE'RE NOT MAKING DECISION NIGHT. LET'S BE WELL INFORMED WHEN WE DO. ANOTHER PLACE. TO CAN YOU COME BACK INTO THE NIGHT? SORRY WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT MAINTAINING BRIAN. WHAT WOULD MAINTAIN LOOKS LIKE BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT MOWING IS FOR US BECAUSE WE HAVE RATS AND SNAKES AND IT'S TIME OF THE YEAR. IT'S ON OUR MINDS. THIS MORE THAN ONCE A YEAR AND WE LOOK AT OUR BACK AND IT'S THIS TALL AND WE'RE GOING. I THINK I'LL TAKE MY OWN MEMBER. I WOULD HAVE FREED TWO. YEAH PLEASE, PLEASE CONSIDER WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. WHAT? ERIC WHAT WOULD BE THE FREQUENCY OF EXPECTATION OF CUTTING THAT AND WHAT IT WOULD LOOK? WHAT TRADITION? WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE MOST OF THE TIME. IF WE WERE IF WE MAINTAIN THE MOWING ON THAT SECTION. 
          ONCE MONTH, SO IT'S GOING TO GET UP 6 12 INCHES. TO BE A LITTLE ROUGH FIELD LIKE OKAY? MIGHT BE VERY RURAL. YEAH NOT MAINTAINS THE GOLF COURSE STANDARD, THOUGH. LEGS RIGHT 
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AWAY. TOWN. MHM. PERSONALLY I THINK WHAT THEY MEAN IS THAT PART OF THAT RIGHT AWAY. I'LL BE PAID VERSUS GROWING GRASS. UM, ALSO. I DON'T WANT MISQUOTE YOU DREW. BUT DID YOU NOT SAY WE COULD MAKE USE OF THIS MONEY RIGHT NOW? BECAUSE AS LUTELY NO, BUT I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A PROBLEM WITH THAT, TAKING MONEY FROM ONE PROJECT TO PAY FOR ANOTHER PROJECT. I DON'T LIKE THAT ONE BIT WELL, AND THAT'S WHY THE SUGGESTION OF. REDISTRIBUTING IT TO THIS EXISTING PROJECT. SO THESE WERE FUNDS THAT WOULD HAVE GONE TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY WILL STILL BE USED IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT WAS THAT WAS JUST A SUGGESTION. OKAY THANK YOU. AND I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT WHY WE THINK THE INTERSECTION WOULD BE OVER A MILLION VERSUS THE ROAD BEING. WHAT DID WE VOTED AT? OR WHAT WAS IT QUOTED AT 300 SOMETHING. 
          33 23. SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE. DISPARITY BETWEEN THOSE TWO AND INTERSECTION VERSUS UP. 
          HOW LONG IS THAT ROAD? UM 1550. YEAH. 2000. FT YEAH, MINUS 2 500? YEAH. CONCERNED ABOUT THE DISPARITY THERE. LIKE TO HAVE SOME MORE FIRM NUMBERS ON THAT. LET'S JUST PUT IT THAT WAY. I'D LIKE TO RESTATE WITH MY THINKING WAS IS THAT. EXPAND THE MONEY IF YOU IF YOU BUILD THE ROAD WE'VE GOT. BASICALLY A GAMBLE THAT IT'S EVER GOING TO BE USED AGAIN THAT MONEY. IF WE TAKE THE MONEY. WE APPLY IT TO SOMETHING ELSE WE'RE DOING NOW, ALL OF THAT THAT WE DO THAT GETS PUSHED DOWN. THE ROAD IS GOING TO BE MORE MONEY, SO IT DOESN'T MATTER IF WE FIX SOMETHING NOW OTHER THAN THAT ROAD. OR WE JUST PUT THE MONEY IN THE BANK. I MEAN, IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO GROW, UH, COST. SO IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER WHAT WE FIXED SO I CAN'T SEE WHY WE GO AHEAD AND TURN HER BACK ON THE MONEY AND BUILD SOMETHING WE DON'T NEED OR DON'T THINK WE CAN USE. ALL RIGHT, DREW. WE'RE GONNA NEED A BASICALLY BOTH OPTIONS DESIGNED. THAT IS WHAT I'M HEARING. WE NEED SOME ESTIMATES AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST TO FULLY CONNECT WESTERN, TWO LANES ALL THE WAY THROUGH 247. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO NEED A DON'T BUILD AN OPTION WITH A BETTER DESIGNED OR AT LEAST A DESIGNED CORNER SO WE CAN SEE WHAT THE TRAFFIC THAT LOOKS LIKE, IF YOU'RE DOING A DOG LEG OVER INTO THE SLIP ROAD. OKAY? AND THAT ALSO FURTHER LIKE TO SEE IF YOU DON'T MIND. PLEASE DREW. WHEN YOU SAY THE ROAD IS GOING TO BE STRAIGHT, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE ENGINEERING PLANS FOR THAT, BECAUSE AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW, BOTH THE RIGHT OF WHITE AND THE ROAD, TAKE A JOG EAST. ALL RIGHT. APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTARY. THANK YOU. IT'S GOOD DISCUSSION. WE'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN BRING BACK AND. PUT SOME MORE LIGHT ON THIS. THANKS FOR THE CARDS. APPRECIATE THAT. I'LL MAKE SURE WE GOT EVERYBODY. 
          [2.B. Briefing on Master Thoroughfare Plan Amendment and development agreement with Kenneth and Cathy Frisby]
ALL RIGHT. GOOD. WE GOT NUMBER THREE. EXCELLENT THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON TO OUR ITEM D OF THE EVENING. BRIEFING ON THE MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN AMENDMENT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH KEN AND KATHY FRISBEE. SO THIS IS THIS IS THE FOLLOW UP AROUND WHICH WILL HAVE ONE FOR ITEM A LATER BUT THIS IS THE ALL RIGHT. GOOD NIGHT. UM THIS IS THE FOLLOW UP OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO SEE WHAT STAFF HAS COME BACK WITH AS FAR AS A PROPOSAL TO MOVE FORWARD THE FRISBEE PROJECT TRUE. YES I THINK I SENT IT. EMAILS UM, SOME WEEKS AGO, UM, TRYING TO BE AS, UH, DELIBERATIVE AND TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE. UM, YEAH. COUNCIL. THREW DOWN THE GAUNTLET. THEY GAVE ME A CHALLENGE. BASICALLY SAID, TRY TO FIGURE THIS OUT. SO UH, THE REZONING TO FROM RURAL RESIDENTIAL TO REAL ESTATE PLAN DEVELOPMENT 32 ACRE TRACTS. WAS DENIED BY COUNSEL. UM AND THEN. SO JUST AS A BACKGROUND. IVE EVEN IF COUNSEL WOULD HAVE APPROVED THAT ZONING THAT THE CURRENT MASTER THEIR AFFAIR PLAN WOULD HAVE BISECTED THOSE THREE LOTS AND SO IT WOULD HAVE MADE. TO UH TO LOTS THAT WOULD LOOK KIND OF LIKE THE YOUNG AND YANG, THE ORIENTAL SYMBOL. UH, AT THE SAME TIME WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET RIGHT AWAY TO REPAY FLORENCE DOWN TO STRAIGHTER AND WE REALLY NEED TO KNOW WHERE THAT ROAD'S GOING 
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TO END UP. DOES IT GO STRAIGHT DOWN? DOES IT CURVE OVER? DOES IT GET CONNECTED WITH THE S CURVE DOWN BELOW. UM WE ARE AND TO HEAD. SALT TO THE WOUND. WE'RE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF AN UPDATE. WE NEED TO GET THAT UPDATED TO RELEASE NEED TO BE IN THAT PROCESS BY THE END OF THE YEAR, AND WE HAVE STARTED THAT PROCESS WITH OPINIONS E. AND THEN UM. WE EXPECT, UH, EXPECT THE FRISBEES IF ZONING CHANGE TO COME IN AND PLAY IT SO. AND WORKING WITH THE ATTORNEY AND LOOKING AT ALL THE UHH, DIFFERENT SCENARIOS. THIS IS WHAT I'VE THIS IS WHAT I'VE COME UP WITH WITH STAFF WITH THE ENGINEER WITH THE ATTORNEY. UM. WE'D ADOPT A PLAN AMENDMENT AND WE JUST DID THAT. REMEMBER WITH FARM THE MCPHERSON TRACKED AT DHL. UH THIS HAPPENS, IT IS UNUSUAL. THAT HAPPENS TWO MONTHS BEFORE THE UPDATE. BUT TO, UM THE MEN THAT MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN. TO HAVE THE TO OFFSET THE INTERSECTIONS TO HAVE THE CURRENT ALIGNMENT. UH, THE. AND THEN TO DO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE FRISBEES. UH. THE TOWN WOULD CONSIDER THE REQUEST FOR THE REZONING. UH FRISBEES AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WOULD DEDICATE RIGHT AWAY TO THE TOWN FOR THE ULTIMATE FOUR LANES OF FLORENCE AND THE FOUR LANES OF STRAIGHTER. SLASH ROPES AND RANCH. AND WE ALSO IN TALKING WITH THE FRISBEES, UH, AND ONE OF THE REQUESTS OF, UH, COUNCIL COUNCILLOR BOYER. WAS TO GET THAT SIDEWALK CONNECTED TO ROUND THAT CORNER WITH THE SIDEWALK. SO UM, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T THINK WE YEAH. SO WE HAVE SOME VISUALS HERE. THIS IS THE SITE. NOW. SORRY THIS HAS TURNED. SO YOU'RE RIGHT IS NORTH. UM. WE ACTUALLY HE HAS DUG DEEPER INTO HIS PROPERTY HE HAS MAINTAINED. TWO ACRES. SO. 
          HIS ORIGINAL PROPOSAL. IF WE TOOK THE FULL RIGHT AWAY WOULD HAVE MADE THOSE 1.81 POINT NINE BUT HE HAS PUSHED THOSE LOTS EAST, SO ALL THREE OF THOSE LOTS ARE TWO ACRES. UM. AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE DRAINAGE ISSUES SOME OF THE GAS PIPELINES THROUGH THE PROPERTY. 
          UM AND, UM. AND WE'VE GOT THE SIDEWALK. UH THAT WOULD CONNECT AND WOULD WOULD WOULD CIRCUMNAVIGATE AT LEAST THE WEST AND SOUTH SIDE OF HIS OF HIS PROPERTY. AND THEN THE. 
          THOROUGHFARE PLAN WOULD HAVE THE AMENDMENT WOULD HAVE THE TO OFFSET T INTERSECTIONS. UM WE WOULD NEED, UH, WE WOULD NEED THE FULL RIDE AWAY ON STRAIGHTER BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF TURN MOVEMENTS, RIGHT? WE WANT TO SO AS WE'RE COMING. QUEST ON ROBSON RANCH. 
          WE'RE THROUGH THE S CURVE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE. HAVE A PROTECTED LEFT ON THE FLORENCE GOING SOUTH IN THE THROUGH TRAFFIC. THEN WE'LL HAVE A RIGHT TURN LANE BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THEIR THERE IS A LARGE. A SALT DOME IN WELL THAT THEY DO. IT'S NOT AS BUSY AS IT USUALLY IS, BUT THAT'S WHERE THEY, UH, THE GAS COMPANIES DUMP THE PRODUCED WATER FROM THEIR FRACTURING OPERATIONS. IT'S ABOVE ROBES AND RANCH, SO THIS ROAD GETS USED BY THOSE TRUCKS. THE GAS PRODUCTION IS DOWN. BUT SO THERE'S WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE SOME LARGE TURNING YOU, UH, TURNING RADIUS IS HERE. IT JUST MAKES FOR A SAFER INTERSECTION AS WELL. SOME OF THOSE ARE PRETTY TIGHT. THROUGH HERE IF YOU'VE DRIVEN THROUGH THIS AREA, BUT THOSE CHANGES IN TURN, MOVE TURN LANE. SO YOU'RE AS YOU'RE DRIVING. YOU'RE GOING TO BE IN THE RIGHT LANE BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE A LEFT TURN LANE TO GO SOUTH ON FLORENCE. 
          BUT THEN THAT LINE WILL SHIFT OVER. AND SO THIS WILL BE IN A WAY OF TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICE TO IN THOSE LANE SHIFTS, AND WITH THAT STRIPING SO. UM THAT'S THAT'S THE PROPOSAL. UM AND BE GLAD. TO LISTEN TO YOUR TEAR IT UP. LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD PREFER TO DO, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY IT IS YOUR DECISION. THANK YOU DO APPRECIATE YOUR WORK ON THIS, AND NOW WE GAVE YOU SOME CURVEBALLS TO DEAL WITH. BUT THIS IS, UM. THIS IS PURSUING THE I THINK THE SENTIMENT OF THE COUNCIL FROM THE LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED THIS. UM AND TRYING TO PRESERVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MR FRISBY TO SUBDIVIDE. SO THIS IS THIS IS STEPPING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, PRESERVING SIDEWALK. RIGHT AWAY. UM IT DOES A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF DOING THAT. BUT THERE'S UNINTENDED IMPLICATIONS OF THIS BECAUSE IT'S LEAVING OPEN. THE UH, THE CONCEPT OF A 
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CONTINUOUS ROADWAY FOR FLORENCE. YES, SIR. UM AND SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO CONSIDER. SO WE NEED SOME GUIDANCE FOR YOU TO GIVE DREW OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE D A WITH FRISBEE TO BRING IT BACK TO YOU, OR TO, UM, TO MODIFY THIS AT THIS POINT FURTHER SO WHAT? COUNCIL. WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS SO FAR? SO DID YOU GET CHANCE TO LOOK AT. HOW COULD WE CONNECT THE ROAD AS WELL? THIS. NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS PROPOSAL. THE LEAGUE THE ULTIMATE 20 YEAR PLAN. TO CONNECT FLORENCE. THAT IT WOULD IT WOULD. PUSH TO THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE SOUTH AS DEVELOPMENT REQUIRES, IF IT'S THE GOAL OF THE COUNCIL TO MAINTAIN THIS AS A AS A THOROUGHFARE. UM THEN I THINK THE CHALLENGE IS THAT IN 10 TO 20 YEARS IF WE COULD HANDCUFF OURSELVES RIGHT NOW. AND THAT THAT'S THAT'S THE CONCERN WITH THIS. I'D LIKE TO SEE RIGHT AWAY STILL ISSUED EVEN THOUGH IF WE KEEP IT. AT A OFFSET, OR A T AS WE'RE CALLING IT. UM BUT STILL ISSUE RIGHT AWAY THROUGH THERE FOR IN CASE THERE IS A NEED. WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE THE BATTLE AGAIN. PER SE AND THE LANDOWNER, WHOEVER BUYS THAT CORNER LOT AND THOSE THAT THERE'S RIGHT AWAY ON THEIR PROPERTY AND ISN'T THAT WHAT THIS DOES TO WELL FOR CONNECTION MONTHS. MAYOR PRO TEM YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IF YOU WANT TO, IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO THE S CURVE. AS CURVE. 
          WHATEVER CONNECTION BACK IN IS, UM, YOU FELT WAS BEST. UM WELL, THAT'S NOT AN OPTION HERE. SO THIS IS THIS IS EITHER OR BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD HOMES HERE, SO THERE'S NO GOING BACK LATER. YOU CAN'T DEDICATE THE RIGHT AWAY AND THEN BUILD A HOUSE ON TOP OF IT. SO. WELL, THIS IS EITHER IT'S EITHER SOLUTION FOR A STRAIGHT AWAY OR NOT OR NOT. IF YOU APPROVE THIS. 
          IT'S AN EITHER OR YOU CAN EITHER BUILD THREE HOMES OR TWO ACRES, OR YOU CAN PRESERVE THE S CURVE. THAT'S THAT. IT'S A RBI. HUGE APRONS ARE AWESOME, THOUGH I MEAN THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. AT LEAST GREAT GREEN ATTORNEY, WOULDN'T YOU? THAT THIS PROPOSAL IMPACT ON THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS. AND THE USE OF THEIR PROPERTY. NO, NOT THIS PROPOSAL. JUST GET BACK RIGHT AWAY TO DR SESSIONS. WHO'S THE LANDOWNER? ON THE WEST SIDE? YES. YES. SO, UM. 
          DEPENDING ON FUNDING AND PROJECTS. WE. MAY NOT BUILD THE. THE T INTERSECTION FROM FLORENCE SOUTH TO STRAIGHTER. THAT RED AND GREEN AREA IN KEEP THAT CURRENT. WE YOU KNOW THAT THE CURRENT ROAD STARTS TO S CURVE BECAUSE BECAUSE THERE WASN'T THE OTHER HALF OF THE S CURVE. WE WENT BACK IN AND AT 90 DEGREE ANGLE. THIS THIS S CURVE WAS ACTUALLY BAD DESIGN BECAUSE IT COMES OUT OF BIAS INSTEAD OF A 90 DEGREE, SO WE'RE ALREADY KIND OF BEHIND THE. BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL ON ON THAT ONE, BUT. IMMEDIATELY WE WOULD WE WOULD GIVE UP. WE WOULD, UH, ABANDONED THE RIGHT AWAY. IT'S OUTSIDE OF THAT CURRENT ROAD AND THEN IF WE, DEPENDING ON HOW PROJECTS WORK, WE COULD DO THAT STRAIGHT CUT AND THEN DONATE THAT AS WELL. 
          WHAT THAT DOES. IS WHEN. UM COUNCIL DECIDES TO COMPLETE THAT ROAD, THEY'LL HAVE TO NEGOTIATE WITH THAT PROPERTY OWNER IS SOUTH AND GET THE COMPLETE RIGHT OF WAY. SO IT DOES PUT SOME. PUT SOME POWER OR SOME LEVERAGE BACK INTO. THE PROPERTY OWNERS, HANDS AND NEGOTIATING WITH THE TOWN FOR THAT ULTIMATE FOR THE ULTIMATE ROAD. IT'S HARD TO SIT HERE AND BE TALKED ABOUT AS IF I'M THE HOMEOWNER TO THE SOUTH. I BOUGHT THAT LAND IN 1983 WITH NO IDEA THAT I WOULD EVER HAVE ANY OF MY 60 ACRES TAKEN FROM ME. AND I'M NOT GOING TO WANT MY 60 ACRES. DVD UP SOMEDAY. I'M ON A NICE THAT'S A GREAT PIECE OF LAND. NOT VERY MANY PEOPLE OWN 60 ACRES. I'M HAPPY THAT I DO. I CAME OUT HERE. LOOKED AHEAD AND BOUGHT IT. I DON'T WANT TO MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN. THAT SOMEDAY WOULD CUT THAT LAND INTO. AND TO ME THAT IT'S SORT OF A DIFFERENT ISSUE IS WHETHER OR NOT MR FRISBY CAN HAVE BUILT THREE HOMES ON TWO ACRES EACH. AND I KNOW IT'S HARD TO SEPARATE THOSE TWO THINGS, BUT 
          [01:20:02]
THERE'S THAT SORT OF TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES. AGREED. IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK, I MEAN. IN LIEU OF MY OTHER QUESTION. I MEAN, THIS IS LOOKS LIKE A BETTER DESIGN THAN WHAT WE HAVE TODAY AND ACCOMPLISHES ALL THE GOALS THAT WE SET OUT FOR YOU. I. THE TEXAS WAY TOO SMALL. WHAT IS THIS GREEN LINE ON THE SOUTH CUSTER? UM, PROPERTY ONE RUNS EAST TO WEST. 
          IT'S A MAJOR GAS TRANSMISSION LINE. THANK YOU JUST COULDN'T READ IT. CORRECT. SO THESE HOMES WILL BE SETBACK. AND PART OF THE DEVELOPER AGREEMENT WOULD INCLUDE THIS SIDEWALK THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT BY MR BOYER. YES, SIR. OKAY. THAT'S AN EXPENSIVE UNDERTAKING. THE SIDEWALK WOULD STILL HAVE A GAP ON THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH AND FLORENCE SATURDAY. THE LAST PIECE OF THE LOOP CORRECT, CORRECT, BUT WE COULD WE COULD WORK WITH THAT PROPERTY OWNER AND FIND A WAY TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION. IT'S 90 FT. ENOUGH FOR YOUR RIGHT AWAY THROUGH. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT 1 20 FOR THE HIGHLANDS AND THEN THE TRAITORS AT 100 FT HERE. AND THEN WE GOT WORD AIMING FOR 90 FT FOR FLORENCE NORTH CAN YOU GET SO AGAIN? MUCH LIKE TO DISCUSSION AT THE HIGHLANDS? WE'RE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BUILDING THE ULTIMATE FLORENCE. THE FOUR LANE DIVIDED ALL WE'RE DOING NOW AND ALL WE REALLY HAVE THE FUNDS FOR IS. TWO LANE OVER THE EXISTING ALIGNMENT, WHICH I UNDERSTAND, BUT WHAT I'M ASKING IS. YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE AN ULTIMATE FOUR LANE. YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE CAN FIT A FOUR LANE AND 90 FT 20 YEARS OLD NOW, 20 YEARS FROM NOW WE'LL GO TO THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE WEST THE HAWTHORNS AND GET ANOTHER 30 FT. 120 FT IS WHAT YOU NEED FOR THE RURAL SECTION. OKAY, THAT'S GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT STANDARD ULTIMATE FOUR LANE DIVIDED, UH. WHILE WE'RE WORKING WITH THE FRISBEES, WE'RE GOING TO GET EVERYTHING WE NEED AT ONCE. IF THE IF. 
          GIVEN WHEN WE BUILD THAT, AND I'M SEEING THE NORTH THE PART OF START US TO THE NORTH. THE RIGHT AWAY. DEDICATION IS THAT THAT SAME POINT OFF OF THE CURRENT ALIGNMENT, CORRECT. UM THE 90 FT. NO I BELIEVE ALL WE HAVE. THROUGH THERE IS. WELL, I'LL CHECK. I'LL GET JUST SEEING A LITTLE TAGGER HEAD. THIS IS RIGHT AWAY. DEDICATION THERE'S LITTLE ARROW. IT LOOKS TO BE ABOUT THE SAME DISTANCE OFF THE LINE. IS THAT WHERE THE YEAH, WE MAY BE MISSING THE PV PIECE AS WELL. SO MAYBE WITH THE SIDEWALK AND WE CAN NEGOTIATE TO GET THAT ULTIMATE. 
          BUT PEAVY WAS NOT PART OF THE STARDUST DIVIDE. I'M JUMPING OVER. YES SO ONCE YOU GET PAST PHOEBE, WE'VE GOT A WE'VE BEEN THROUGH PLANTING. WE'VE GOT THE FULL. 60 FROM CENTER LINE TO THOSE THOSE HOUSES SO THEY'RE BEING CONSISTENT LINE WON'T WON'T BE MOVED. WE MIGHT HAVE TO CHANGE THE DRIVEWAY ACCESS AND MOVE THE MAILBOXES BACK. BUT. WILL BE WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY IN 20 YEARS. YES, SIR. OKAY, ALRIGHT. VERY DIFFERENT COUNCIL TO WORRY ABOUT, ALL RIGHT? OKAY, COUNSELOR. YOU JUST NEED TO GIVE JERUSALEM GUIDANCE HERE. DO YOU WANT HIM TO GO FORWARD THIS PROPOSAL? I'M GOOD WITH IT. OTHERS. NO. MY CONCERN IS THAT. WE'RE GOING FURTHER WEST, AND WE'RE STILL REZONING OFF OF RURAL RESIDENTIAL. THAT'S THE ONLY ISSUE I HAVE. OKAY WHERE ARE WE? I NEED TO GIVE THEM GUIDANCE AS TO WHETHER TO SCRAP THIS PLAN OR KEEP WORKING ON THE D A WITH FRISBEE. I THINK MR GANZ POINT. IT'S PROBABLY THE BEST PLAN WE'RE GOING TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT GETS APPROVED. THAT'S FOR COUNCILLORS DECIDED RIGHT BECAUSE I SHARE THE SAME CONCERN. IT'S CONSISTENT WITH STARDUST. BUT IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH WEST OF FILE. BUT EITHER WAY, IT'S THE BEST LAYOUT. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET ON THIS PROJECT. I AGREE. I DON'T KNOW HOW GEOMETRICALLY CAN MAKE IT. BETTER FIT. YOU HAVE TO MOVE THE MASTER PLAN. RODEWAY OTHERWISE YOU CAN'T DEVELOP THOSE PROPERTIES INTO ANYTHING LESS THAN OR ANYTHING LESS THAN WHAT THE WHOLE PIECES SO EFFECTIVELY. WHAT. BUT THAT THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. WE'VE GOT TO HAVE GUIDANCE AS TO WHAT IS GOING TO DO WITH THIS? DO YOU WANT US TO BRING BACK AT THE A. THAT PROPOSES THIS. OR OR NO. AND THEN THERE'S JUST THERE'S NO MORE ACTION TO BE TAKEN WITH MR FRISBY IN THIS PROPOSAL. THIS IS A BRIEFING, SO THERE'S NO EMOTIONS NEEDED HERE. I JUST HAVE TO HAVE ENOUGH GUIDANCE FROM THE COUNCIL AGREEING TO BRING BACK AND DEVELOPER AGREEMENT. WE'RE NOT AGREEING TO A NEW THAT'S 
          [01:25:03]
CORRECT MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN THAT'S CORRECT, BUT THERE WILL BE A PROPOSAL. COMING FOR THAT MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLANE REALIGNMENTS TO THE TWO T INTERSECTIONS. IF YOU SAY GO AHEAD WITH THIS. PROPOSAL YOU'RE NOT COMMITTING TO IT. IT'S JUST THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO THE WORK TO BRING IT BACK. SO IF THERE'S SOME POINT TO DO IT IF THERE'S YOU KNOW, A FAIRLY, UM, IF THE IF THE BIASES TOWARDS AGAINST IT RATHER. IF WE'RE SAYING THAT WE JUST DON'T LIKE, DON'T LIKE DON'T WANT TO DO THIS, THEN WE DON'T WANT TO DO THE WORK TO ACTUALLY PUT IT ALL TOGETHER. I JUST NEED TO KNOW WHETHER DO THE WORK AND BRING IT TOGETHER AND BRING IT BACK. NO COMMITMENT HERE. JUST BRING IT BACK. OKAY I'M GONNA GO FORWARD AS WELL AS IS LIKE. HOLD OFF ON PLEASE. ROGER BILL. NOT FORWARD. OKAY, BILL. 33 TRUE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH THAT? I THINK. I THINK WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GO, BOB HOW WEST BOYER VOTED LAST TIME THIS CAME TO COUNCIL, WHICH WAS HE WAS FOR THIS. HE VOTED IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. FOR THIS JUST A REAL QUICK QUESTION THAT. RED SECTION OF FLORENCE ON THE SOUTH SIDE. UM IS THAT THE ORIGINAL STRAIGHT. MINUS OF THE ROAD BECAUSE DIDN'T FOLLOW THAT FENCE LINE. UM IT IS, IT WOULD HAVE, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN CLOSER BUT WITH OUR NEW RIGHT AWAY STANDARDS AND THE COUNTY WOULD GO. YOU KNOW, THESE ARE PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENTS, SO NOT TOO UH, YOU KNOW NOT TO IMPINGE ON THE JACKSONS. WE JUST WE JOGGED A LITTLE BIT. AND I KNOW YOU HATE THAT. AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WHERE THAT YELLOW LINE IS. YES BUT WE BECAUSE OF OUR NEW RIGHT AWAY STANDARDS. WE IN THE TWO GET DRAINAGE IN THERE. WE BACKED OFF THAT. SO THAT'S WHY IT DOES JOG A LITTLE BIT. SO WE CAN STRAIGHTEN IF WE DON'T DO DRAINAGE. SKIP THE DREAM, JEFF. GOOD IDEA. NO THAT BECOMES AN URBAN SECTION OF ROAD. BUT WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE FUNDS FOR THAT, UH, THAT SOUTHERN PART RIGHT NOW, UM BUT IF THIS BECOMES. BUT THAT'S. 
          I'M JUST MENTIONING OTHER. YEAH. ALL RIGHT, SO I'LL GIVE YOU ENOUGH GUIDANCE. CLEAR SENTENCE SO. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL PUT IT TOGETHER AND IT'S ALWAYS IT'S UP TO YOUR DECISIONS. SO, COUNSELOR, ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COUNSEL. I KNOW THIS WAS A TOUGH ONE. PUBLICANS, BUT. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. WE'RE BACK TO PUBLIC INPUT. SO IT IS 6 58 PM AND UH, SHORT AGENDA DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING IN NORTH LIKE, APPARENTLY. YOU FILL THE TIME MORE COMPLEX THAN ISSUES. ALL RIGHT. SO IS THERE ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN PUBLIC AND BUT ON ANY TOPIC WHATSOEVER TONIGHT? ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. 6 58 PM CLOSED PUBLIC INPUT FOR THE SECOND TIME. AND WE'LL MOVE 
          [4. Consent Items]
ON TO OUR REGULAR ACTION ITEMS. WE'VE GOT A COUPLE QUEUED UP FOR CONSENT COUNCIL. DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THOSE OR BREAK THEM UP? TAKE THEM TOGETHER. THAT'S FINE. SET IN MOTION COUNCILOR MOTION TO APPROVE ALL CONSENT ITEM. WHAT I'M SORRY. YEP. GO AHEAD. ITEMS ITEM C AND D LIKE TO PULL THIS IF WE COULD, PLEASE. OKAY ALRIGHT. SO ITEMS SEE, DO YOU STILL WISH TO MOTION? MOTION MADE OKAY. DO YOU HAVE A SECOND FOR THE MINUTES? ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO VOTE. ONE'S BLINKING. WE'RE NOT THERE YET. THERE IT IS. IT'S READY. GOT EVERYBODY. 
          EVERYBODY PUSH IT. SOMEBODY DID, BUT IT WAS A BLANKET. JUST LUCKY. PLACE TO GO BACK TO GO BACK THERE, NOT DOMINION MACHINES. BUT. AREA HERE IT IS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          [4.D. Authorize Town Manager to purchase three crew cabs (BuyBoard #601-19, Grapevine Dodge Chrysler Jeep) and a backhoe (Sourcewell Purchasing Cooperative, HOLT CAT) in a total amount not to exceed $315,00. Resolution 21-34]
ALRIGHT ITEM D. FORWARD DISCUSSION. WE ARE AUTHORIZED TOWN MANAGER TO PURCHASE THREE CREW CABS IN A BACKHOE AND TOTAL AMOUNT NOT T $315,000. MISSING A ZERO THERE. 
          UM THE PROPOSAL THESE WERE AUTHORIZED AS PART OF THE BUDGET. UM COUNSELOR. YOUR QUESTIONS? YES. UM. THEY WERE AUTHORIZED AS PART OF THE BUDGET. BUT AS WE HEARD FROM 
          [01:30:01]
DREW EARLIER WERE STRAPPED, SO I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS, UM THIS BACK HOME. IF WE COULD PLEASE, I AM CALLED A PERSON WHO IS. AN EXPERT IN ANY I DIDN'T SAY WE WERE STRAPPED. I SAID THAT WE HAVE ALL OUR SHOULD HAVE SAID THAT WE HAVE ALL OUR RESOURCES ASSIGNED. I JUST WANT. TO CUT COSTS WHERE WE CAN, AND AS I LOOKED INTO THIS FURTHER AND GOT THE OPINION OF A PROFESSIONAL AND HEAVY EQUIPMENT, UM THEIR WORDS. THIS IS THE CADILLAC OF ALL BACKHOES. MM AND I AM CURIOUS ABOUT JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS IF I COULD GET SOME QUESTIONS ANSWERED. DID WE LOOK AT A COUPLE DIFFERENT MACHINES. OR DO WE JUST LOOK AT A CAT? SERVICES CHECK. WE'VE WE'VE ALL OUR EQUIPMENT THAT WE PURCHASE IS CAT AND THE REASON BEING IS, IS IT'S IT IS A GREAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. UM AND IT IS A LOT EASIER FOR US TO DEAL WITH ONE MANUFACTURER AS FAR AS SERVICE BECAUSE THEY ARE FAMILIAR CERTIFIED WITH THOSE. TYPES OF EQUIPMENT. UM, I RAN TONS OF DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS. UM. JOHN DEERE, NEW HOLLAND. UH, EVERY ONE OF THEM HAS THEIR PROS AND CONS I'VE THERE AND THERE'S ISSUES WITH SOME OF THE MAINTENANCE. PROVIDERS ON SOME OF THE OTHER PIECES OF EQUIPMENT. I'M NOT GOING TO NAME WHICH ONES BUT I'VE DEALT WITH PRETTY MUCH MOST OF THEM, AND WE JUST HAVE REALLY GOOD SUCCESS WITH CAT EQUIPMENT. WHAT ABOUT ALL THAT? JUST TO THAT? REMEMBER WE BOUGHT A CATERPILLAR GRADER IN 2010, AND WE STILL USING THAT IT'S 2021 IS STILL IN GREAT SHAPE. WE DO BY, UM. THE BEST AND WE TAKE CARE OF IT AND IT LASTS A LONG TIME. SO I THINK OVER IF WE DID OVER A LIFE CYCLE, I THINK I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT INVESTMENT OF THE TOWN RESOURCES. OKAY DID WE LOOK AT? UH JCB KOMATSU VOLVO ANY OF THOSE BECAUSE THOSE ARE REALLY HIGHLY RATED? AS I'M TOLD BY THIS EXPERT THEY ARE. I'VE USED THOSE AND JUST FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. NOT FAVORABLE OF THOSE, THE ONLY OTHER ONE THAT I WOULD EVEN LOOK AT WOULD BE A JOHN DEERE. UM BUT AS FAR AS. WHAT I'VE USED CAT. WE HAVE THE BEST SUCCESS RATE WITH THE CAT AND SERVICE AS WELL. SO YOU HAVE A WHAT A YEAR WARRANTY ON THIS, AND YOU'RE PURCHASING A FOUR YEARS THAT WHAT I'M READING HERE. UH I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S A FOUR YEAR I'D HAVE TO. I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AGAIN. IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I IT SAYS THE STANDARD WARRANTIES. 12 MONTH UNLIMITED HOURS. TOTAL MACHINE EXTENDED WARRANTY FOR YEAR 2000, OUR POWERTRAIN EXTENDED. THAT'S CORRECT. YOU'RE PURCHASING THE EXTENDED. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY UM, JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK. QUESTIONS ON SOME OF THESE THINGS. ARE THESE THINGS STANDARD LIKE THE COUPLING. AND THE 15 FT REACH AND ALL THAT. ARE THOSE ALL STANDARD. ARE WE PAYING EXTRA FOR STANDARD 15 FT REACHES. IT IS A STANDARD FOR THIS, UH, MACHINE OUT SOME OF THE COUPLINGS THAT ARE ON THERE. THOSE ARE FOR WHEN WE PUT OTHER ATTACHMENTS ON THERE WERE ABLE TO DISCONNECT THOSE INSTEAD OF HAVING TO SPEND AN HOUR REPLACING HOSES ON THERE TO PUT, SAY A DIFFERENT BUCKET OR A JACKHAMMER ON THOSE. THE QUICK COUPLINGS ARE JUST. IT'S A LOT FASTER WHEN WE'RE OUT IN THE FIELD, AND WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT DOING A MAIN BREAK, AND WE GOT TO SWITCH ATTACHMENTS ON THERE. SOMETIMES TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE TOO. GET THOSE DONE. UM THIS EXPERT THAT I SPOKE WITH WAS PRETTY SHOCKED AT THAT $214,000 FIGURE THEY THOUGHT THAT WE COULD GET A GOOD ONE. MM AND THIS IS LOW END 50 TO 1 50. BUT THIS SEEMS TO START REALLY HIGH. I MEAN, WE'VE GOT A LUXURY CAB LUXURY FABRIC, AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DIGGING IN THE MUD AND THE OPERATOR GETTING OUT IN THE MUD GETTING BACK IN THE LUXURY CAB. I'M JUST THINKING THAT. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH Y'ALL BEING COMFORTABLE WORKING IN A COMFORTABLE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. ALL THAT I'M JUST THIS IS STICKER SHOCK FOR ME. YEAH, THIS ONE'S 11 52 ON HERE ONCE WE. GET THE SOURCE. WELL, CONTRACT AND THEN ONCE WE USE THE, UH, CUSTOMER LOYALTY DISCOUNT. WE ALSO GET A SAVINGS OF 14,000. SO WE'RE AT 1 52. AND THIS THIS MACHINE HERE IS JUST BASICALLY A MIRROR. OF WHAT WE PURCHASED BACK IN 2000 AND 16. IT'S ONE SIZE LARGER THAN THAT. AND THE REASON BEING IS BECAUSE WE FOUND WHAT THE CURRENT CAT THAT WE HAVE. WE'RE UNABLE TO LIFT. SOME OF THE TRENCH SHORING BOXES THAT WE HAVE WHEN WE DO WATER REPAIRS. OUR CURRENT BACK HOME DOESN'T HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF LIFTING SOME OF THE HEAVIER TRENCH BOXES TO GO DOWN IN THE HOLE. 
          [01:35:02]
AND WE HAVE SOME SEWER MAINS NOW ON DEVELOPMENT CENTER, 25 FT DEEP UM, EVEN WITH THIS ONE, WE'RE. YOU KNOW, REACHING THAT DEATH CAPACITY ON ON ON THIS. YES. I JUST BOUGHT A TRACTOR RECENTLY. A LUXURY INTERIOR MEANS. CLOTH IT'S NOT REALLY IT'S NOT ALEXIS. YEAH, I'M NOT SURE WHY THEY CALL IT LUXURY. IT'S. COURSE INTERIOR. YEAH, THEY'RE NOT TRUE. I WILL SAY I'M PROUD OF YOU FOR NOT GOING JOHN DEERE ON THAT, BECAUSE THE PARTS FOR DEER ARE QUITE DEAR COMPARED TO CAB. HAS THE MOST EXPENSIVE PARTS, THE MOST EXPENSIVE SERVICE, AND IT'S JUST A CADILLAC OF THE BRAND, WHICH, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. BUT THEN YOU SAY IT'S THE BEST. IT'S THE BEST LASTING EQUIPMENT, BUT THEN THEY GIVE YOU A 12 MONTH. WARRANTY. AND YOU GET A BODY EXTENDED WARRANTY. IF IT'S THAT GOOD THE WARRANT YOU GOT TO BE BETTER AND MY OPINION MANUFACTURE. MOST MANUFACTURERS ARE ALL THE SAME ON THEIR WARRANTIES BECAUSE IT IS A CONSTRUCTION, UH, TYPE OF EQUIPMENT. ANYTHING THAT YOU PAY OVER THE STANDARD YEAR. IT'S GOING TO COST YOU. ON THAT THEY ALL GIVE A YEAR'S WARRANTY JUST BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF EQUIPMENT AND THE USE IT UH, IT'S. FOR COUNSELORS. 
          ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? THIS EVENING. WELL FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, AT LEAST IN MY EXPERIENCE. IT KIND OF MAKES SENSE TO STAY WITH ONE MANUFACTURER. IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR SERVICE FOR PARTS FOR THERE IS AN INTERCHANGEABILITY BETWEEN MODELS WITH THE SAME MANUFACTURER. SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT, I CAN SEE STAYING WITH WHAT WE'VE BEEN USING. OTHERS. I WISH IT DIDN'T COST AS MUCH. I WISH IT DIDN'T COST AS MUCH, BUT I DON'T SEE HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET GOOD EQUIPMENT A LOT CHEAPER. FROM MY EXPERIENCE WORKING ON PIPELINE FOR A YEAR. THAT WAS DEFINITELY THE BRAND CHOSEN BY THESE GUYS THAT ARE DIGGING A MILLION DOLLARS A MILE FOR A PIPELINE. AND, UH, I THINK IT'S A WIDE STORIES. KIND. THIS IS NOT MY AREA OF EXPERTISE. AND SO IN MY MIND, I RELY ON ERIC, WHO'S DEMONSTRATED, YOU KNOW EXCELLENT. THRIFTINESS AND LONG TERM, YOU SAID OF HIS MACHINES. 
          AND SO I'M INCLINED, AS YOU KNOW, TO SAY, THIS IS PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA. I'VE MADE A MOTION. OKAY, MOTION'S BEEN MADE BY PLACE THREE. MONTINI. SECOND BY SESSIONS ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. TO TAKE THAT AS A NO. YOU MAY VOTE. PART. WE GOT EVERYBODY. YES, THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT ITEM E. I'M GOING TO MOVE TO MAYOR PRETEND MONTINI IN A FEW MINUTES AND COVER F G AND H AND THEN UM, WE'LL RETIRE TO EXECUTIVE SESSION. MAYOR PRETEND CAN DISMISS US. ITEM E RELATED TO MY EMPLOYMENT BY EMPLOYERS, FIDELITY INVESTMENTS AND THEY PREFER ME NOT TO INVOLVE MYSELF IN ANY CERTIFICATES OR BONDS. AND SO THAT TOPIC I'LL LEAD TO THE 
          [5.F. Authorize Town Manager to approve supplemental agreement with Newland Communities to participate in water line oversizing in an amount not to exceed $360,000]
MAYOR PRO TEM TO LEAD THIS EVENING. ITEM F IS AUTHORIZATION FROM TOWN MANAGED TO APPROVE A SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT WITH NULAND COMMUNITIES TO PARTICIPATE IN WATERLINE OVERSIZE IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $360,000. MR CORN. WHAT IS THE PROPOSAL HERE THIS EVENING? SHOW THE RECENTLY APPROVED, UM LIV APARTMENTS AND KENYAN FALLS. UM. NEEDS A SECOND POINT OF DELIVERY FOR WATER. UM. THE CURRENT ONE KIND OF COMES DOWN THE MAIN CANYON FALLS DRIVE FROM THE FROM THE NORTHEAST. WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO OVERSIZED THIS LINE TO THE ULTIMATE SIZE. UH TAKE IT FROM THE REQUIRED EIGHT INCHES UP TO A 12 INCH LINE. 
          WHAT WE TYPICALLY DO IS I WOULD DO THE ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY. UM THIS THIS NUTS EXCUSE ME, 16TH INCH LINE. UH A COMPLETE 16 INCH LINE WOULD COST A MILLION DOLLARS ROUGHLY. WE HAD THEM ALSO PRICE OUT JUST THE EIGHT INCH LINE. WHICH WAS ABOUT 66 60 OR SO 6 40. THE DIFFERENCE OF THAT IS, UM. 360 THAT'S HOW YOU GET THAT. THAT'S HOW WE CALCULATE THE OVER 
          [01:40:03]
SIZING. THIS LINE WOULD COME FROM THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF CANYON FALLS DOWN CLEVELAND, GIBBS. AND ACROSS 11 71. IT GETS, UH IT GETS WATER FURTHER TO THE SOUTHWEST. AND ALONG 11 71. THERE'S ACTUALLY A SMALL BIT OF CANYON FALLS ON THE SOUTH SIDE, 11 71 THAT COULD BE ACTIVATED AS RETAIL. THIS ALSO AND ANOTHER PROJECT WILL TALK ABOUT AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          THIS GETS THAT WATER OVER TO ANOTHER PROJECT, SO IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO USE TO LEVERAGE A PROJECT DEVELOPERS ALREADY DOING. AND A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, IMPACT FEE FUNDS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE EXISTING AND MAKE SURE THIS LINE IS BUILT TO ARE THE ULTIMATE NEED. MR CORN COUPLE COUPLE QUESTIONS HERE FOR YOU. SO ON THE MAP, WE'RE DOING A DOG LEG OVER CLEVELAND GIBBS ROAD. ON THE WEST SIDE. AND CURIOUS AS TO WHY WE'RE JUMPING OVER THERE AND THEN SECOND. WERE I SEE, WE'RE TURNING A 16 TO 12. SO I GET THAT PART OF IT IS THAT WHAT'S NEEDED FOR THAT AREA? WHAT'S DRIVING THE SIZE? AND THEN ALSO, IT DOES THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL CROSSING 11 71. DOES IT INCLUDE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT PIECE? THOSE ARE MY THREE QUESTIONS FOR HIM. HOW THE JOG OVER IS BECAUSE WE HAVE FOUND IN THE PAST THAT THIS PROPERTY OWNER IS VERY DIFFICULT TO GET RIGHT AWAY. AN EASEMENT FROM. SO WE ALREADY HAVE THE RIGHT AWAY ON THE OTHER SIDE. OF THE ROAD, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING TO GO ACROSS THERE. UM THE. 
          I'VE ALREADY LOST TRACK. WHAT WAS THE SECOND QUESTION? THE SECOND QUESTION IS, I SEE THE TIE IN BETWEEN THE 16 AND THE 12 INCH LINE. WHAT IS THE NEED FOR 16 THROUGH THIS SECTION IS THAT OF SAY, 12. THAT'S UH. SO THE 12 IS GETTING WATER TO THIS THIS PROPERTY. AND IT'S WE'RE AT THE EDGE OF NORTH LAKE. OF THE 16 IS TO PROVIDE WATER TO EVERYTHING SOUTH OF 11 71. SO IN MY NON ENGINEERING MIND, THIS IS A LARGER RIVER BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF REVIVAL. IT'S COMING DOWN FROM THE SOUTH. THE 12 INCHES KIND OF AT THE EDGE, AND SO THERE'S REALLY NOWHERE ELSE FOR THIS TO GO. IT. THAT'S IN LAYMAN'S TERMS. I DON'T KNOW DENNIS. YOU. 
          I GUESS I'M GOING IS ACROSS 11 71. I UNDERSTAND WHY WE NEED TO GET TO THE SOUTH WITH A FULL 60 INCH LINE FROM THE NORTH COMING DOWN CLEVELAND, GIBBS, AND THERE'S A LOT DOWN THERE THAT. 
          HAS POTENTIAL. SO I UNDERSTAND ON A MASTER PLAN STANDPOINT, BUT ACROSS 11 71. I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT IS THE EAST WEST CORRIDOR OF THAT 16 INCH LINE GOING TO SERVE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO CROSS 11 71 OTHER THAN AT THAT POINT, THAT LITTLE RETAIL SECTION THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT AS A VERY SMALL. COMPONENT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE MASTER PLAN. 
          THERE IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE ANOTHER CONNECTION ON THAT BORDER. UH BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO CONNECT DOWN SOUTH UNDER THE AIRPORT. SO THIS. THIS IS GOING TO GET WATER TO THAT COMMERCIAL SECTION, BUT ONCE THAT DEVELOPS WE MIGHT CONTINUE FURTHER. 11 71 IS REALLY A VERY LONG TERM. RIGHT BUT WHILE THEY'RE HERE WHILE THEY'RE DIGGING THAT TRENCH, LET'S LET'S UPSIDE TO OUR OKAY. I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE GOING. I JUST WANTED TO COUNSEL TO BE CLEAR ON THAT THE MESSENGERS SHOWING WHAT THAT WILL SERVE, SHOWING THE AREAS OF NORTH LIKE THAT. THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT WILL SERVE. AND ITS ULTIMATE BUILD OUT JUST SO THAT PEOPLE AT HOME CAN KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          ROGER YOU HAD THERE WERE REACHING FOR YOUR BUTTON A WHILE AGO. DO YOU LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION? NOW HOLD ON. WE CAN HELP, SOMEONE EXPLAINED. WE CAN PROCESS OF THAT. WE'RE WAITING FOR A MAP. SO I THOUGHT MAYBE YOU COULD. GOOGLE DOCS NORTHLAKE HALF. 
          SECURED. YOU DON'T USE IT. I WILL MAKE THE COMMENT. A 16 INCH LINE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT PART TIMES. OUR SQUARE. 16 ARE CORN BREAD AROUND. BUT ANYWAY, UM I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS, BUT IT'S MORE THAN JUST A LITTLE BIT WHEN YOU WHEN YOU MOVE, I THINK I THINK IT'S RADIUS SQUARED. SO UM, AND PIE SO YOU'RE YOU'RE TALKING. SOME PRETTY BIG MULTIPLES THEIR 
          [01:45:05]
HIPS BEFORE IT JUST OVER. YEAH. GATE ACTUALLY A EIGHT INCH INCREASE IN DIAMETER. AND THEN YEAH, YOU'VE GOT THAT. YOU GOT THAT TRIPLING DUE TO THE PIE. SO, UM. JOHN DRILL DOWN TO THE 11 71. 35 W. SO YOU'RE GETTING THERE. YOU GET NEARLY TWICE AS MUCH WATER FLOW. BUT WHO ARE WE BUILDING THAT TWICE AS MUCH WATER FLOW FOR? WELL CURRENTLY, WE HAVE, UH, IMPACT FEES SO PEOPLE WHEN THEY DEVELOP, THEY PAY AN IMPACT. THE TO ASSIST US WITH. EXPANSION TO OUR ULTIMATE SIZE. SO WE'LL USE WE'LL USE THOSE FUNDS TO OVERSIZE THIS AND REALLY, THIS IS. ONE OF THE MAIN USES OF IMPACT THE FUNDS. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE DOING. JERUSALEM THE FAR BORDER HERE, EVERYONE THIS IS YOU GET. WE'VE GOT A LOOP THAT SOMEHOW YOU NEED A LOOP. AND SO THAT'S WHERE THIS IS COMING DOWN ON THE FAR EASTERN BORDER. WE WERE SURE THAT 12 INCH WE COULD HAVE MADE THAT A 16 INCH, BUT UM. THE MASTER PLAN HAS THAT 16 INCH GOING DOWN 11 71. YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S ON THE NORTH OR SOUTH, BUT WE DO NEED TO GET ACROSS AT SOME POINT. SO THAT WAS THE THAT WAS THE THOUGHT PROCESS, AND WE'RE GOING TO PARTNER WITH THEM BECAUSE THEY WOULD LIKE TO GET WATER TO THEIR COMMERCIAL SIDE OF 11 71, AND SO WE'LL OVERSIZE. THAT AND. IT'LL JUST STOP RIGHT THERE, BUT ULTIMATELY IT WILL. IT WILL CONTINUE DOWN. SO WE'RE NOT EVEN SHOWING THE LEG FROM KENYAN FALLS DOWN CLEVELAND GIBBS TO 11 71 AS I CAN BE UPDATED. THIS IS JUST A MASTER PLAN. SO YEAH, WE HAVE SO CLICK ON EXISTING WATER. UM. IT'S PRACTICE. IT'S CALLED SOMETHING ELSE. WATERLINES RIGHT ABOVE WATER MASTER PLAN. SO THOSE ARE DARK BLUE SO YOU CAN SEE THAT. YEAH, WE. SO THIS THIS PLAN IS ALREADY IS ALREADY. BECAUSE NOW WITH THE POTENTIAL PROJECT THAT LINE SOUTH OF 11 71 IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE SHIFTED WEST. SO. AGAIN ALL THESE MASTER PLANS ARE IS TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B. DEPENDING ON WHAT'S HAPPENING BETWEEN THOSE POINTS. OKAY I GET IT. SO COUNCIL YOUR FURTHER DISCUSSIONS NEARING STANDPOINT. CAN YOU TELL ME HOW IT 12 INCH LINE GOING INTO 16 INCH LONG DOES IT JUST FEEL BY THE VOLUME OF THE PRESSURE. PRESSURE RATHER. YES MA'AM. THE PRESSURE OF THE SYSTEM WILL FILL THE LINE, SO IT'LL FILL THE 16 WITH NO PROBLEM. YES, MA'AM. YOU'LL HAVE. WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE IF YOU STARTED WITH 16 INCH LONG AT THE SOURCE TO TAKE POINT MHM. YEAH MISS MERRIMAN. I APOLOGIZE THAT BIOLOGY AUSTRALIA LITTLE BIT. 
          THE ONE IN CLEVELAND. GIBBS IS A 16. THE ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE 12 12 OVER HERE. YEAH IT'S LOOPED AND SO THE PRESSURE FROM BOTH SIDES IS GOING TO CONTINUE IT, SO IT SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM IF IT WAS A 12 AS A SOURCE LEADING TO A 16. I'M RIGHT WITH YOU. I DOUBT THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. BUT. IT'S GOT A 16 LEADING TO A 16. SO YOU CONNECTED ON BOTH HANDS 16 OR 16, 16 16 16, AND THEN IT ENDS AT 12 ON THAT SIDE, BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE DRAW FROM THE SOUTH. YEAH. TO THE MAYOR'S POINT WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING ON THE WEST SIDE OF CLEVELAND GIVES ROAD. DO WE NOT ALREADY HAVE RIGHT AWAY THERE FOR THE OTHER LANE OF CLEVELAND GIVES ROBE NO. WE HAD WE HAD YOU'VE DRIVEN THROUGH THERE. WE'VE HAD A DRUG OVER BECAUSE WE COULD NOT NEGOTIATE WITH THE. THE PROPERTY OWNER TO MAKE THAT GO STRAIGHT DOWN, SO WE GOT ANOTHER ONE ARENAS. GOD'S OVER. SORRY LET ME TALK TO HIM. IT LOOKS LIKE HALF THE PLACES IN KELLER. I GET IT RIGHT. BUT RIGHT. WAIT A MINUTE. THAT ON THE EAST SIDE OF CLEVELAND GIVES IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YOU COULDN'T NEGOTIATE WITH THEM. UH WE WERE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE WEST. WELL THAT'S BECAUSE I WANT TO DEVELOP RIGHT AND THEY DON'T WANT TO BRING A WATER LINE OVER TO THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THAT'S AN INCREASED COST, RIGHT? ALL THOSE ARE TRUE SO. WHO OWNS THIS IN THIS PART OF CANYON FALLS. NO. STILL THE SAME PROPERTY OWNER SOUTH OF 11 71 THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE TRY TO GET CLEVELAND GIBBS SOUTH FOR ALMOST A YEAR NOW. TO MAKE MORE SENSE. SO Y'ALL WENT TO HIM AND. YEP ASKED HIM TO RUN WATER LINE. HE SAID NO. YEP. WELL AT THE TIME. WE WERE JUST ASKING FOR A ROAD. WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT WATERLINE, BUT WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE RIGHT AWAY. AND WE KNOW HOW LONG THAT OTHER CONVERSATION WAS SO. WE'RE JUST GONNA WE'RE JUST GOING TO MOVE ACROSS. PATH PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE PAYING TO TAKE IT UNDER THE ROAD TWICE 
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BECAUSE YOU'RE TAKING IT UNDER THE ROAD TO THE WEST, AND YOU'RE COMING DOWN SOUTH AND YOU'RE TAKING IT UNDER THE ROAD AGAIN. UH THAT WE'RE PAYING ABOUT A THIRD OF THAT. THIRD OF THE WHOLE PROJECT. SIZING? YES, YES. HOLD ON. SO THE BORING IS HAPPENING THERE ALREADY. WE'RE JUST WE'RE JUST INCREASING THE PIPE SIZE. BREAD. SO THAT, BUT WOULDN'T IT BE? WELL, I'M JUST SAYING, WELL, THAT'S WHY I ASKED EARLIER THIS ARGUMENT BECAUSE I AGREE WITH YOU DOING THE EXTRA LEG WORK IS COSTING PROJECT MORE MONEY. BUT THE PROJECT IS BEING FUNDED BY THE DEVELOPER WHO'S BUILDING. YOU KNOW THE APARTMENTS DOWN THERE? THEREFORE WE'RE JUST OVER SIZING WHAT THEY'RE BUILDING SO THEY'RE THEY'RE ULTIMATELY INCURRING. SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE ACTUALLY GOING ACROSS, PLEASE. I'M SORRY, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE INTERSECTION BETWEEN THE DARK BLUE AND THE GREEN, TEAL OKAY, SO RIGHT THERE. SO THIS IS LOOPING ALONG 11 71 TO BRING THE TWO POINTS TOGETHER. THE RESERVE THE PRESSURE NORTHERN. YES. YEAH SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE DEVELOPER ON THE. WEST SIDE IS PAYING FOR THAT WATERLINE TO COME UNDER THE ROAD OR THEY'RE NOT. NO, NOT THE WEST SIDE. OKAY SO KENYAN FALLS UNDER THE ROAD, RIGHT? NO. THE PROJECT IS, AS I UNDERSTAND THE PROJECTS BEING PAID FOR THE MAIN PORTION OF IT BECAUSE OF THE APARTMENTS. YES SO THE APARTMENT IN FALLS IS PAYING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT NEWLAND IS PAYING. THIS IS THIS IS OVER A MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT TO GET IT FROM EIGHT INCHES TO 16 INCHES IS ANOTHER $360,000. THEY BID. BUILDING AN 80 INCH LINE AND THEY BID BUILDING. 
          THEY HAVE THE PRICES FROM A CONTRACTOR BUILDING A 16 INCH LINE. THERE IS GOING TO BE A DELTA BORING UNDER. A ROAD FOR AN EIGHT INCH VERSUS A 16 INCH, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE DRASTIC BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THE COST IS THE. THE BOARD PITS. UH THEY MAY BE MAY NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT LARGER, BUT IT'S PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR. SO IT'S A PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL PROJECT COSTS TALKING MORE ABOUT. THE IDEA, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BELIEVE THAT THIS I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND BORING UNDER A ROAD, AS I UNDERSTAND IT FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, IS VERY EXPENSIVE. IT IS HERE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT TWICE. THE UPPER SECTION IS ASPHALT. AND SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO DO A CUT BECAUSE THERE'S NOT THERE'S A SPACE IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO CONCRETE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW. 
          WE'VE DONE AND ASPHALT S. TO GET TO THAT OTHER OTHER SIDE, SO WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY DO A TRENCH CUT THERE. OKAY AND CLOSE THE LANE FLAG. BUILD IT BACK THE NEXT DAY. I HOPE WE DO BETTER IN SOME OTHER AND YOU'RE GONNA BORE UNDER THE ROAD ON THE SOUTH SIDE. SOUTH SIDE IS THE ULTIMATE CONCRETE AND YOU KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO. WE'RE NOT GOING TO CUT THAT. WHICH WHICH PROJECT WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT? MAYOR PROTEIN. NOT OURS PER SE, BUT THEIR GROUPS ON JUSTIN ROSE, WHO LIKE TO TRENCH CROSSROADS? YEAH. WELL THIS WILL BE, UH, THIS WILL BE BID AND CONTRACTED BY THE DEVELOPER, BUT IT WILL BE INSPECTED BY OUR TEAM. YEAH. SO THE DEVELOPERS PAYING FOR THE BORE UNDER THE ROAD RIGHT UNDER THE CONCRETE PORTION OF THE ROAD, RIGHT? ARE WE PAYING FOR THAT? THE DEVELOPER IS PAYING FOR THE COST OF A BORE UNDER THE ROAD OF AN EIGHT INCH LINE. WE'RE PAYING THE DELTA OF THE COST FOR A 16 INCH LINE. I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT BREAKDOWN. I'VE GOT. THERE'S A $17,000 DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE BORING FOR A EIGHT INCH LINE VERSUS A 16 INCH LINE. I'M JUST NOT BORN INTO THE ROAD. PERIOD YEAH, IT'S ADDING TO THE COST OF THE PROJECT. YES I'M SAYING SO. THE BOAR FOR THE BOARD FOR AN EIGHT INCH IS, UM. 101 157,000. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT? MAYOR. THE BOAR FOR A 16 INCHES, 174,000. SO IT'S. IT'S NOT A THIRD, BOTH LESS EXPENSIVE THAN TRAINING, NEGOTIATE WITH A CERTAIN PROPERTY OWNER. WHAT YOU SAY THAT BUT YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO CONDEMN THAT, DON'T YOU? I MEAN FOR A WATER LINE RIGHT AWAY. 
          WATER LINE, RIGHT? THE UH, THE COUNCIL HAS THE POWER TO DO THAT. YES. JUST WONDERING IF IT BE LESS EXPENSIVE THAN 100. HOW MUCH DID YOU SAY 100 AND $75,000 BORING UNDER OUR 
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PORTIONS? ONLY THE 17 DELTA THE RIGHT AWAY ACQUISITION. THE WORLD WAY POSITION WILL BE MUCH MORE THAN 17,000 SAVINGS WOULD BE TO THE DEVELOPER, THOUGH. THE VAST MAJORITY OF IT. IN TIME WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT PROJECTS. GREAT. COUNSELORS YOUR FLOOR FOR ACTION. ALL RIGHT. HAVE A LOOK. I HAVE A MOTION BY MAYOR PERSON. MONTINI. HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCILOR SESSIONS. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL RIGHT. THE VOTING IS OPEN. ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. ALRIGHT SOME CALENDAR ITEMS, SO WE HAVE ITEMS G AND H. M AND WHAT WE'RE 
          [Items 5.G. & 5.H.]
DOING HERE TONIGHT IS WE'RE CALLING FOR A SPECIAL MEETING ON NOVEMBER 19TH AND 20TH. MR CORBYN CAN GIVE US SOME DETAILS ABOUT THIS IS THE STRATEGIC PLANNING RETREAT. COULD BE FOR FRIDAY AFTERNOON AND SATURDAY MORNING. AND THEN BASED ON OUR SCHEDULE AND THE HOLIDAYS WERE LOOKING TO CANCEL. THE MEETINGS FOR A NUMBER OF 11TH 25TH AND THE 23RD SPECIAL MEETING IN THE 19TH AND 20TH WOULD COVER US IN THE CASE OF ANY ACTION ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE DONE IN NOVEMBER, SO WE WOULD COVER THOSE AT THAT PLANNING RETREAT. AND THEN WE'LL AVOID THE THANKSGIVING AND CHRISTMAS HOLIDAYS BY CANCELLING NOVEMBER 25TH OF DECEMBER 23RD LEAVING US ONE FORMAL, REGULAR SCHEDULED COUNCIL MEETING IN EARLY DECEMBER, THE SECOND THURSDAY OF THE MONTH. I BELIEVE IT'S THE NINTH THE NINTH. OKAY, SO DECEMBER 9TH. 
          AND, UM. SPECIAL SIDE DO WE DO WE WERE KEEPING OCTOBER 28TH? YES. OKAY, SO WE HAVE OCTOBER 28TH. THEN THE SPECIAL MEETING NOVEMBER 19TH AND 20TH AND THEN DECEMBER 9TH. THOSE ARE THE MEETINGS FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE YEAR, CANCELING THESE OTHER THREE SO THIS ACCORDING TO WANT TO GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF DETAIL ABOUT THE TIMING FOR THE SPECIAL MEETING. SURE SO. WE'RE GONNA START ON FRIDAY AT THE OUTDOOR LEARNING CENTER. SOMEBODY ELSE FAMILIAR WITH THAT WE'VE WE'VE MET THERE BEFORE WE HAD TO RETREAT THERE BEFORE THAT THE CHARTER COMMISSION, SO IT'S GREAT PROPERTY. UH HAVE LUNCH AND THEN THE STAFF WOULD LIKE TO UH, KIND OF CLOSE OUT THE EXISTING STRATEGIC PLAN AND PUT THAT TO BED. AND UH THEN WE'D LIKE TO GO THROUGH BRIEFLY ARE PLANNING EFFORTS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING LIKE ON STAFFING AS SOME OF OUR. UH PROJECTIONS ON CAPITAL PROJECTS SOME OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND KIND OF GIVE YOU A VIEW OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. WE WOULD LOOK BACK AT THE PLANNING CHART AND WHAT'S COMING UP WHAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT AND GET YOUR INPUT ON THAT. UH AND THEN THE FACILITATOR WOULD COME IN WITH YOUR TYPICAL SWAT ANALYSIS, STRENGTHS, WEAKNESSES, OPPORTUNITIES AND THREATS, AND, UH. WE GO THROUGH THAT AND THAT FRIDAY AND THEN THERE'D BE DINNER AND HOPEFULLY BE AROUND FIVE OR SIX. SO THAT WOULD BE SETTING THE TABLE. IF YOU WOULD WILL GIVING YOU THE CONTEXT GIVE YOU A GREAT LAY OF THE LAND. UNDERSTANDING. UH, WHAT YOU WHERE YOU BELIEVE WE'RE AT NORTH LAKE. AND HEARING EACH OTHER OUT ON THAT COME BACK THE NEXT MORNING BREAKFAST AND THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH THE TRADITIONAL VISION. MISSION GOALS. OBJECTIVES LIKE WE DID, UH, COUPLE OF YEARS. HER LAST TIME LIKE WE DID LAST TIME. AND THEN, UM, HAVE LUNCH AND HOPEFULLY HAVE THAT WRAPPED UP. UM. THIS IS A PRETTY AGGRESSIVE SCHEDULE. A LOT OF TIMES. THESE ARE TWO OR THREE DAYS, BUT WE WANT TO USE YOUR TIME WISELY. WE TRIED TO, UH, TIMING ON A WEEKEND. BE THE COUNCIL. IT WOULD BE. IT WOULD BE THE DEPARTMENT HEADS WE WOULD BE THERE, AS IN MYSELF, WE WOULD BE. THERE IS RESOURCES. ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, BUT THIS IS YOUR STRATEGIC PLAN AND THE DIRECTION YOU WANT TO TAKE THE TOWN. WE USE THE STRATEGIC PLAN ON HOW WE. HOW WE DEVELOP RECOMMENDATIONS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE MEETING YOUR GOALS. ON THE OPEN SESSION. YES MA'AM VIDEO. IT WILL NOT BE VIDEOED. UH WE WILL HAVE, UH, WE WILL TAKE MINUTES. UH, BUT IT WILL BE IN A REAL TREAT. ENVIRONMENT THERE WILL BE PROBABLY A HORSESHOE TABLE. WHAT WE DID LAST TIME WAS WE INTERMINGLED STAFF AND COUNCIL? UH KIND OF SEPARATED UP. IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT AS A FORMAL SETTING. UM HOPEFULLY TO GET CREATIVITY AND 
          [02:00:01]
COLLABORATION, BUT ABSOLUTELY IT IS. IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC WILL HAVE A PUBLIC SEATING AREA. I WASN'T THE OPPRESSION. INITIAL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS WHEN YOU'RE EATING ON COUNCIL AND WHATNOT. UM I THOUGHT WE WERE DOING FRIDAY MORNING ON SATURDAY MORNING AGO. OUT OF. I HAVE TO LOOK, THINGS MIGHT HAVE CHANGED SINCE THEN. UH WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY. THIS IS YOUR RETREAT. SO IF. IS UH, IF THE CONSENSUS OF THE COUNCIL'S DO TWO MORNINGS. WE CAN IF YOU WANT TO DO IT ALL DAY SATURDAY. UH WE CAN IF YOU WANT TO TRUNCATE THIS AND DO JUST RULE. 
          DOWN AND DIRTY, FAST ONE AND JUST TAKE A COUPLE HOURS. IT'S UP TO YOU. THIS IS YOUR RETREAT. 
          WE WERE. WE WERE TRYING TO DESIGN IT WITH THE FACILITATOR WHO'S DONE A NUMBER OF THESE. 
          HAVE YOU WORKED WITH HIM? HE DID THE LAST ONE AND HE WORKED WITH US ON THE CHARTER COMMISSION. SO HE DOES THIS FOR DALLAS, DUNCANVILLE. ALL ALL THE CITIES HE IS A FORMER CITY MANAGER, SO HE UNDERSTANDS HOW. TOWNS FUNCTION. HIS NAME'S DAVID EISEN, LOWER. UM AND. 
          ACTUALLY HE'S GOING TO INTERVIEW EACH OF YOU, UH, PROBABLY LEAD BY PHONE OR MAYBE ZOOM TO GET YOUR INPUT, SO HE'S GOING TO DO A LOT OF HOMEWORK ON THE FRONT END, BUT. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. WELL HOWEVER MUCH TIME YOU WANT TO DO THIS, AND WHEN YOU WANT TO DO IT, IT'S TOTALLY UP TO THE COUNCIL. WE'LL BE THERE. DOES THAT WE CAN WORK FOR EVERYBODY STILL AND ALWAYS SENT OUT JERUSALEM OUT REQUESTS SO IS THAT STILL GOOD? OKAY AND FRIDAY AFTERNOON, FRIDAY MORNING. WHAT WORKS BEST FOR EVERYBODY. FRIDAY AFTERNOON WORKS BETTER FOR ME FOR ME SATURDAY MORNING. WE WERE TRYING TO HONOR THE WORK WEEK AND NO PEOPLE HAVE. UHH KIDS AND KIDS STICK UP QUITE A BIT OF TIME. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WE. THIS WILL THIS IS IMPORTANT TO STAFF. THIS HELPS US SO MUCH MAKING SURE WE'RE. 
          FOLLOWING FOLLOWING YOUR WISHES GROUP TAX. YOU SAY THAT TO ME. YOU GOT? APPARENTLY I THINK IT, UH, THINKING YOU NOON TO SIX ON FRIDAY AND THEN, UM. I DON'T KNOW. DO YOU WANT TO GET GOING AT EIGHT AND ENDED NOON? OR DO YOU WANT TO DO 9 TO 1? UH, EARLY. ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S SAY 88. ON SATURDAY. RIGHT AND I DON'T KNOW WHO'S PLAYING FOOTBALL THAT THAT SATURDAY ROGER. MAYBE ONLY 11 O'CLOCK THAT WELL, UH, I'VE GOT A DVR SO JUST DON'T TELL ME WHAT SCORE IS. ALRIGHT ALRIGHT, SO COUNSELOR SESSIONS HAS JUMPED AHEAD AND HE'S DECIDED TO PUT THIS TO BED. YEAH AND COUNCIL HARTMAN'S FOLLOWING SUIT, SO YOU'RE AGREEING TO SCHEDULE THE MEETING FOR NOVEMBER, 19TH AND 20 AND CANCEL THE NUMBER 11 25TH DECEMBER 23RD COUNCIL MEETINGS? YES. OKAY JUST MAKE SURE WE GOT THAT. IT'S BOTH ITEMS ALL RIGHT, OPEN THE VOTING. YES, THERE'S ANY OBJECTION. SO ORDERED. OKAY VERY GOOD. UM I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY AN ITEM. I THIS EVENING. SOME AIRPORT 10 MINUTE DURING THE MEETING OVER TO YOU 7 33. PM. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE, SIR, FOLLOW ASHLEY'S ADVICE AND DISMISSES TWO EXECUTIVE SESSION AFTER YOUR DISCUSSION. AN ITEM E. AND THEN WE DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING SCHEDULED THIS EVENING FOR AFTER EXECUTIVE SESSION, SO WE DON'T PLAN TO COME BACK OUT. MAKE ANY ANY THING HAPPENED TONIGHT, BUT THAT'S ALWAYS AN OPTION IF THERE'S SOMETHING COMES UP. THEY'RE PRETEND IT'S ALL YOURS. THANK YOU, MAYOR. ALL RIGHT. SO FOR ITEM E. AND THROUGH IS GOING TO GIVE US AN 
          [5.E. Discussion and action adopting Resolution 21-35, directing publication of Notice of Intention to issue Certificates of Obligation; and resolving other matters relating to the subject.]
INTRO HERE, BUT IT'S FAR CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION THAT WERE DISCUSSED FOR THE BUDGET. 
          YES THANK YOU. MAYOR PRO TEM. THIS IS A. THIS IS TO, UM LET THE REGULATORS THE MARKET KNOW THAT WE INTEND TO ISSUE THAT WE'RE GOING TO ISSUES. $7.5 MILLION OF CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION OF VAST MAJORITY OF THIS WILL BE FOR, UH, CATHERINE BRANCH, WHICH WERE TRUNK LINE PHASE TWO. THIS GETS US FROM THE BUCHANAN FOSTER DEVELOPMENT AREA ALL THE WAY PAST 1 56 TO GET TO THE EXTENT OF OUR CCN. THERE WAS. THE 300,000. ORIGINALLY IT WAS GOING TO BE, UH, 100,004 A ROUTE STUDY AND 200,000 FOR THE OVER SIZING. COSTS WENT UP. WHERE WE'VE GOT 300,000 FOR THE OVER SIZING THAT ADDITIONAL 60,000 WILL COME FROM OUR WATER IMPACT FEES. UM THE. THE ROUTE STUDY ENDED UP BEING 150,000 AND WE'RE USING SEWER IMPACT THESE 
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BECAUSE THAT'S A SEWER RAT STUDY. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE ALL THE MONEY IS GOING. I THINK YOUR ORIGINAL, UH, NOTICE SAID SEVEN MILLION. AND WE APOLOGIZE. SO WE HAVE THE UPDATED NOTICE OF INTENT IS 7.5 MILLION. I HAVE OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR HERE. BOYD LONDON WHO'S BEEN SITTING PATIENTLY AND, UH AND HE CAME ALL THE WAY OUT HERE. SO YOU GOTTA YOU GOTTA ASK HIM SOME QUESTIONS AT YOUR DESK IS THE PRELIMINARY A OFFICIAL STATEMENT. POS WHO. WHO THOUGHT OF THAT AND NECK AND ACRONYM, OKAY? SO HE'S GOING TO TELL YOU SOME COOL STUFF ABOUT WHY IT SAYS 6.8 THERE IN THAT FIRST PARAGRAPH, BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY GETTING 7.5 THE BOY DID I CUE IT UP FOR YOU. MAYOR PROTEIN MAY BE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TONIGHT AT SEVEN POINT. PUBLISHING NOTICE OF INTENT FOR 7.5 MILLION WHAT YOU'LL DO. WITH THAT. NOTICE THAT YOU PUBLISH IT TWICE. ON DECEMBER, THE NINTH. WE WILL TAKE BEARDS AT 10 A.M. THAT MORNING AND WE'LL COME OUT HERE THAT NIGHT. WITH THE RESULTS, AND THIS IS THAT THESE WILL BE WHEN WE SAY. BIZ WILL TAKE COMPETITIVE BEARDS. WE THROW IT OUT TO THE MARKET. 
          AND THE MARKET COMES BACK THEN, AND BITS. DREW BROUGHT UP THE HACKING. WE SELL 6.8 MILLION AND GET 7.5. WELL, THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOOD AT. BUT. BUT WHAT THAT IS, IT'S REALLY RESPONDING TO MARKET DEMAND DIDN'T MARKET MARKETS DEMAND HIGHER INTEREST RATE. 
          BUT TO GET THAT HIGHER INTEREST RATE I GOT. THEY'VE GOT TO GIVE THAT MONEY BACK TO US. SO IT MAKES US EVEN IT MAKES US EVEN BECAUSE WE SELL FEWER BONDS. AS A RESULT OF THAT, SO THE DEBT SERVICE WORKS OUT. ONE WAY THE OTHER, BUT WE'RE RESPONDING TO THE MARKET. UH HUH. SO. THEY'LL PAY THAT AND WE'LL HAVE OUR 7.5 MILLION GOING TO THE CONSTRUCTION FUND. AND THERE BE SOME COST OF ISSUANCE. UH WITH THAT, BUT THAT'S NOT GONNA, UH, THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE A LOT OF MONEY. RELATIVELY SPEAKING. AND THESE, UH, THESE INTEREST RATES BY THE WAY. INSTITUTIONAL INVESTORS WILL BE THE ONES BUYING THESE WHETHER THEY'RE BANKS, INSURANCE COMPANIES MUTUAL FINES. MM. ALL KINDS OF. PEOPLE CHASING YIELD RIGHT NOW THEY'RE NOT GETTING ON THE ON THE FROM US TREASURIES. THEY'RE THEY'RE MOVING OVER INTO TAX EXAMS. SO WE'VE GOT ALL KINDS. 
          OF PEOPLE BUYING THESE AND ACTUALLY, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH BONDS TO SATISFY THE DEMAND OUT THERE, SO IT'S REALLY A GOOD GOOD TIME. TO BE ISSUING BONDS. BEHIND THIS. I DID THE CASH FLOW US. I CAN'T TAKE CREDIT FOR THAT, UH, WE DID THE CASH FLOWS. AND JUST GO OVER IT VERY QUICKLY. YOUR RESOURCES OR COLUMN B, WHICH IS YOUR ASSESSED VALUATION. AND AFTER UH, FROM 2 TO 2000 AND 23 ON WE JUST MADE SOME GUESSES, AND WE THINK THEY'RE PRETTY CONSERVATIVE. BUT DEAD. THAT'S A YEAR TO YEAR THING, AND SO THAT WILL CHANGE. WE TAKE IT THROUGH. YOU LOOK AT. UH COLUMN E. THOSE ARE 2018 CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION WE SHOULD FOR WATER AND SEWER PURPOSES. AND SO THE. TOWN IS MOVING MONEY FROM THE WATER AND SEWER FUND. 
          OVER TO THE DEBT SERVICE FUND TO HANDLE THAT. SO YOU'RE NOT LEVIAN. ATTACKS FOR THAT. AND THEN WE GO THROUGH AND WE ILLUSTRATE G IT G H AND AS WHAT WE HAVE THE. THE COLUMN. K IS KIND OF WHERE WE END UP. YOU'RE AT 14.82 CENTS ON YOUR INTEREST IN SINKING FINE. LEVY. YEAH THIS YEAR AND WE STRUCTURED IT WHERE YOU'LL BE AT 14.8. MM. POOR NEXT YEAR AND. IT'LL END UP WHERE IT ENDS UP. UH, GOOD. WE'LL GET THESE BIRDS. THE BIRDS WILL COME IN. WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO RESTRUCTURE. TO MEET. THERE'LL BE A LITTLE BIT OF RESTRUCTURING TO MEET THE TOWN STATES WITH. THAT BIT. AND THEN THURSDAY THAT THAT NIGHT WILL COME OUT. AND THE CITY 
          [02:10:07]
WILL HAVE ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE OF THE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION. 
          WHAT KIND OF RATES ARE YOU? X FORECASTING TO RECEIVE ON THE BED? I KNOW THINGS ARE HARD TO PREDICT, BUT I'M SURE COUNCIL. WELL, THEY'RE ALWAYS HARD TO PREDICT, AND WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN CONSERVATIVE WITH THESE RATES. HAD DID NOT CHECK IN. WELL NO. HERE IT IS. IT'S A 2.45% TSC TRUE INTEREST COST. UH, WE'VE SOLD UNDER 2. ISSUES OF THIS OF THIS SCIENCE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MARKET IS DOING TODAY. I FOUND THAT OUT MONDAY. MONDAY MORNING BECAUSE WE HAVE A MEETING. BUT. 2 45 IN THIS FOR THE LAST. 56 MONTHS HAS BEEN A VERY CONSERVATIVE NUMBERS SO WE CAN EXPECT I THINK TO SEE SOMETHING. A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN THAT. 
          EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS, COUNSEL? MR SAY, EXHIBIT A PAGE 51. SAY IS, UH, IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $7 MILLION. AND IN THAT AMOUNT SHOULD BE 7.5 MILLION. 
          CORRECTION. HERE. HERE'S OKAY? ALL RIGHT. AND WE STILL HAVE TO PUT EVEN THOUGH WE'LL ONLY ISSUE GIVE OR TAKE 6.8 MILLION. WE STILL HAVE TO PUBLISH FOR THE 7.5. BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THAT THAT PREMIUM COMING IN. AND SO THAT COUNTS AGAINST. WE'RE USE MOST OF THAT 7.5. AS FOR AS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WAS CONCERNED. AND THERE ARE QUESTIONS COUNSELOR. OKAY WITH THAT THROUGH WE HAVE ANY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. DO WE HAVE A EMOTIONS TO BE MADE HERE. NO, I ALREADY GOT ONE UP THERE. HAVE MOTION BY DR SESSIONS SECOND BY MR GAINES. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YES ATTEMPT. QUICK QUESTION ON TAX RATE WON'T COST CAUSE OUR TAX RATE TO INCREASE ANY. PLACE IS ALWAYS A CONCERN. OKAY? YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE. IT WAS A THOSE PROJECTIONS SO. BOY TALKED ABOUT CONSERVATIVE INTEREST RATES ARE PROJECTIONS ARE VERY CONSERVATIVE. IF YOU SEE THAT DROPS OFF VERY QUICKLY, WE'RE JUST COUNTING ON STUFF THAT WE HAVE. UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR THAT WE HAVE THAT WE KNOW ABOUT AND SO IT TAPERS OFF VERY QUICK. THIS DOESN'T COUNT ANYTHING THAT HASN'T BEEN STARTED YET. 14 TO THE. THREE WITH IT. THE PERCENTAGE GROWTH WE HAD 44% LAST YEAR. WE HAVE 35% THIS YEAR WE'RE WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE OVER 10, BUT THOSE ARE VERY CONSERVATIVE GROWTH ESTIMATES. RIGHT. VOTING IS OPEN. UH, I AM PRESSING ABSTAIN FOR THE MAYOR. OKAY WITH THAT EMOTION PASSES. AND WITH THAT 
          [6. Executive Session]
THAT CONCLUDES OUR NORMAL AGENDA TONIGHT. UH, PURSUANT TO SECTION 55171. YEAH AND 551087. 
          I'D LIKE TO CONVENE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. MAYOR PROTEIN. WE DON'T EXPECT ANY ACTION OUT OF EXECUTIVE SESSION. YES AS DREW SAID, NO ACTION EXPECTED TONIGHT. THANK YOU YOU'RE READY, MARY. ALL RIGHT. IT IS 8:32 P.M. WE RETURNED FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION AND WHETHER THE QUORUM HERE PRESENT WITH NO ACTION TO TAKE TH
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