5.A. Consider an Ordinance of the Town of Northlake, Texas, to amend the Pecan Square Mixed-Use Planned Development (MPD) Zoning, Ordinance No. 17-0413E, to revise the landscaping, setback, and fencing details along FM 407 and Cleveland-Gibbs Road for the approximately 160.374-acre tract of land situated in the A. McDonald Survey, Abstract No. 785, and generally located south of FM 407 at Faught Road. HP Gibbs, LP is the owner/applicant. Case # PD-23-003 a. Public Hearing - CONTINUED FROM SEPTEMBER 28, 2023 b. Consider approval

[5.A. Consider an Ordinance of the Town of Northlake, Texas, to amend the Pecan Square Mixed-Use Planned Development (MPD) Zoning, Ordinance No. 17-0413E, to revise the landscaping, setback, and fencing details along FM 407 and Cleveland-Gibbs Road for the approximately 160.374-acre tract of land situated in the A. McDonald Survey, Abstract No. 785, and generally located south of FM 407 at Faught Road. HP Gibbs, LP is the owner/applicant. Case # PD-23-003 a. Public Hearing - CONTINUED FROM SEPTEMBER 28, 2023 b. Consider approval]

CONTINUING OVER FROM LAST MEETING WITH TWO ITEMS, ITEMS A AND B BOTH HAD PUBLIC HEARINGS CONTINUED INTO THIS MEETING AS WELL. FOR PECAN SQUARE CHANGED THEIR DEVELOPER AGREEMENT REGARDING THE FRONTAGE IS ON CLEVELAND, GIBBS AND THE FRINGES ON 407. UH I WILL ALLOW THEM TO COME UP AND PRESENT. AH AND THEN WE WILL TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS. GOOD EVENING COUNCIL. UH KYLE JOYCE 3000 TURTLE CREEK. DALLAS, TEXAS. UM SO JUST A BRIEF YOU GUYS ON, UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH COUNCILMAN LAWRENCE AND MONTINI AND PROTEIN MARTINI OVER THE LAST MONTH. ALMOST NOW, UM IN REGARDS TO THESE CHANGES ARE IN REGARDS TO THE TECHNOLOGY. THE TEXTILE WIDENING PROJECT.

MAINLY ALONG THE CONSEQUENCE, FRONTAGE FROM UM. JUST PAST THE 407 BREAKOUT PROJECT THAT STOPS HERE AT THE CLEVELAND GIVES INTERSECTION AND PROCEEDS THROUGH JUSTIN. UM SO WITH THIS PROJECT. UM I'M JUST KIND OF PUT THEM CONTEXT INTO IT. BEFORE SEVEN BREAKOUT PROJECT COUNTS.

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WE'RE GONNA SCREEN THERE FOR YOU SO YOU CAN FACE THE MICROPHONE. SO THE FOURTH AND BREAKOUT PROJECT ENDS JUST PASSED EQUIVALENT GIVES MAINLY TO OUR COMMERCIAL FRONTAGE. AND THEN THE PRODUCT. THE 12 MILE PROJECT EXTENDS TO FROM PHASE FOUR C ALL THE WAY THROUGH PHASE FOUR B PECAN SQUARE. ORIGINALLY WHENEVER THE PD WAS DONE FOR PECAN SQUARE. THE ASSUMPTION WAS FROM TEXT DOT THAT THE RIGHT OF WAY WAS GOING TO BE TAKEN FROM BOTH THE NORTH SIDE. IN THE SOUTH SIDE EVENLY. UM. AND THAT WOULD LEAVE THE CON SQUARE WITH ROUGHLY 75 FT. VARIABLE WITH LANDSCAPE BUFFER TO THE BACK OF OUR LOTS. AND UM SO IN THE NEXT SLIDE, SO WELL, WE'VE ADDED THIS ONE. MAYOR PRO TIM JUST VISUAL TO SEE HAVE THE 75 FT BUFFER WAS INSTALLED PER THE CURRENT ZONING AND TEXT DOT CAME IN AND EXPAND THAT, BASED ON THE KEEPING THE NORTHERN RIGHT OF WAY. BOUNDARY KIND OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE SO THAT THIS ISN'T THERE SLIDE. IT'S OUR SLIDE JUST TO HELP YOU VISUALIZE WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. THE KEY POINT FOR PUBLIC HERE IS HILLWOOD CAN BUILD THE 75 FT RIGHT NOW. TODAY PUT THE HAY BILLS ON THERE AND EVERYTHING, SIDEWALKS AND TREES.

AND 4 TO 5 YEARS FROM NOW, TEXT THAT WILL COME DOWN TO BULLDOZE IT. SO THAT IS THE UNFORTUNATE PART AND IT WAS TEXT THAT THEY ORIGINALLY SAID THEY WOULD TAKE THE RIGHT AWAY FROM THE MIDDLE.

AND DUE TO THE PRESENCE OF UPPER ETERNITY WATER DISTRICT LINE. THEY WILL NOT MESS WITH THAT, AND THEY REFUSED TO MESS WITH IT, SO THEY'RE KICKING IT TO THE SOUTH. CORRECT AND OBVIOUSLY SEVERELY IMPACTS THE BOTH OF THE FRONT OF THE PECAN SQUARE, BUT ALSO THE FUTURE RESIDENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE IN THOSE STATE LAWS THAT BACK UP TO 407. AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATES BEST AS WE CAN AND GIVE YOU GUYS THE LOOK THAT YOU GUYS WANT WHILE ALSO CREATING THAT BUFFER BETWEEN THE SIX LINE DIVIDED ROAD THAT'S GOING TO BE THERE AT SOME FUTURE DATE. SO ALSO KIND OF BACK UP A LITTLE BIT. SO UM, THIS THE NORTH OR THE UM, CROSS SECTION THAT'S ON THE TOP. IS THE PROPOSED SECTION FROM I 35 TO THE CLEVELAND GIVES INTERSECTION. UM, ORIGINALLY WE ADOPTED THAT WAS JUST GOING TO BE PULLED ALL THE WAY THROUGH. AND THEN WHENEVER THE MEETING HAPPENED WITH JUSTIN AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL ABOUT MIDWAY THROUGH THE YEAR. WE REALIZED THAT THE TEXTILE WAS PROPOSING TO WIDEN THIS SECTION EVEN FURTHER TO 160 FT. TO R, AND ALL OF THAT RIGHT AWAY WAS GOING TO BE COMING FROM OUR PROPERTY BOUNDARY. LEAVING US WITH ROUGHLY 22 FT LANDSCAPE BUFFER. I OBVIOUSLY ANOTHER THING I'LL POINT OUT WITH THIS GRAPHIC IS THAT THE SIDEWALK WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED TO BE 4 FT FROM BACK OF CURB AND OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN VERY EXPRESSED THAT NORTH LIKE DOES NOT WANT SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING OVER THE LAST TWO OR THREE WEEKS WITH REMEMBER MONTINI AND, UH, COUNCILMAN LAWRENCE TO ADDRESS THIS AND. THIS CROSS SECTION RIGHT HERE. JUST JUST REAL QUICK . YOU'RE FLIPPING VIEWS. NOW NOW YOU'RE LOOKING EASTWARD BEFORE YOU WERE LOOKING WESTWARD, SO PECAN SQUARE FUTURE SQUARE STATE LAWS WILL BE TO YOUR RIGHT AND YOU ALSO NOTICE ON THIS KIND OF WALK THROUGH FROM I GUESS NORTH TO SOUTH CONFLICTS. AND JUST ALL OF THE CHALLENGES THAT THIS AREA IS PRESENTING TO US. SO CURRENTLY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD. THERE ARE CLOSER, UM, OVERHEAD ELECTRIC POLES THAT WE ARE PROPOSING THAT THOSE GIVE RELOCATED. TEXTILE TEXTILE HAS ASSURED US THAT THAT'S KIND OF A NORMAL THING THAT THEY DO SO THAT WILL HELP US ACCOMMODATE A LITTLE BIT OF AN EXTRA BUFFER ON THE SOUTH SIDE. YOU ALSO NOTICED THE 30 FT WIDE OPPORTUNITIES AND DOWN THERE, THAT'S THE MAIN DRIVER. OF THE RIGHT OF WAY BEING TAKEN FROM THE SOUTH. UM AND THEN SO WE'RE PROPOSING. 5 FT. SIDEWALK ON THE ON THE NORTH SIDE. THE OBVIOUSLY THE MAIN RIGHT OF WAY SECTION OF ROAD AND THEN WE'RE ALSO THEY HAVE WHAT THEY CALL AN ACCOMMODATION ZONE. WHICH IS TYPICALLY 20 TO 30 FT.

THAT ACCOMMODATES FIBER. ANYTHING LIKE THAT GAS. AND THEN A SHARED USE PATHS THAT WOULD BE BUILT BY TEXTILE AT THE TIME OF THE RIGHT AWAY. EXPANSION. LET ME PAUSE YOU FOR A SECOND THERE.

SOME BACKGROUND ON THIS IS BECAUSE FOR SEVEN EXPANSION HAS ALSO BEING FUNDED BY SOME

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FEDERAL DOLLARS. WE ARE BEHOLDEN TO HAVE A 5 FT PATH ON ONE SIDE AND A 10 FT. SHARED USE PATH ON THE OTHER SIDE. SO WE'RE TRYING TO USE THOSE TWO ARE ADVANTAGES TO CREATE MORE BUFFER SPACE AND THE SHIFT THE ROAD AS FAR TO THE NORTH AS POSSIBLE. YES, SIR. UM AND THEN SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS TYPICALLY, TEXTILE LIKES TO OWN ALL OF THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT THEY'RE MAKING THEIR IMPROVEMENTS IN. AND SO SOMETHING THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THAT THEY WE WOULD ISSUE A VARIABLE WITH EASEMENT FOR GRADING PURPOSES OR WHATEVER TEXT DOT NEEDS OUTSIDE OF THIS PROPOSED 142 FT RIGHT OF WAY SECTION TO BE ABLE TO GIVE AN ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE BUFFER.

THAT AFTER THE PROJECTS DONE. THE TOWN OR TEXTILE OR WHOEVER CAN COME IN AND ACTUALLY LANDSCAPE. THE REMAINDER OF THAT BUFFER THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY GREAT AMUSEMENT. AND THEN THAT WOULD ALSO LEAVE THESE PORTION THAT'S ADJACENT TO PECAN SQUARE WITH THE 36 FT. LANDSCAPE BUFFER.

ALSO POINT OUT THAT SOMETHING THAT WE DID IS WE ARE UM. PROPOSING TO ESCROW THE MONEY FOR ABOUT 155 SHADE TREES THAT WILL GO FROM THE PHASE FOUR B FRONTAGE ALL THE WAY TO THE INTERSECTION OF CLEVELAND, GIBBS AND FORNELL, SEVEN OR INCLUDING GIBSON FOR SEVEN. UM AND WITH THAT THE BUILDERS WILL ALSO BE INSTALLING CEDAR TREES ON THE BACK OF THEIR LOTS FOR ADDITIONAL SCREENING. THERE'LL BE A 6 FT WOODEN FENCE HAS PROPOSED AS WELL. AND THEN HE'LL WOULD WILL ALSO BE INSTALLING IN OUR LANDSCAPE AREA CEDAR TREES. IT WILL FEEL A LOT LIKE WHAT THE HARDEST FRONTAGE DOES JUST PAST THE 407 IN CLEVELAND GIFTS INTERSECTION RIGHT HERE. TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SCREEN FOR THOSE HOMEOWNERS. THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE RECORD. TO THE ROADWAY ITSELF. UM WE DID ALSO THROW IN HERE JUST BECAUSE UM WHO KNOWS WHAT HAPPENS IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS. IS THE PROPOSED 162 FT RIGHT AWAY SECTION. UM BEING THAT. IF. IF AT SOME POINT IN TIME WE'RE NOT ABLE TO GET TEXT OUT TO FULLY EXPAND OUR FULLY TAKE ALL THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT'S NECESSARY OR WHATEVER REASON. UM THAT WOULD LEAVE US WITH 100 OR A 16 FT.

LANDSCAPE BUFFER. AND THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT LAST MINUTE TEXT HADN'T MENTIONED US. IT'S JUST IF THERE'S A CONFLICT OR UTILITY THAT WON'T MOVE. WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? SO THAT'S 162 FT SECTION THAT'S IN HERE. ALSO, JUST ACCOMMODATES. SO. THIS LAST SLIDE IS OURS AS WELL, OBVIOUSLY WEEP. BORROWED A LITTLE BIT OF THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, BUT THERE IS A PROGRAM THAT, UM INNOVATIVE TRANSPORTATION SOLUTIONS WILL HELP US WITH ITS A TECH STOCK PROGRAM. IT'S CALLED THE GREEN RIBBON PROGRAM. UM WE'VE SHARED SOME PICTURES WITH COUNCIL OF SOME AREAS IN THE HELEN VILLAGE, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT MATURE. YET THERE'S A LONG 1 56 CITY OF JUSTIN USED THE GREEN RIBBON PROGRAM, SO IT'S JUST KIND OF VISUALIZATION OF HOW THAT COULD LOOK, WE WOULD PUT NOW THERE'S CERTAIN YOU CAN'T PUT LARGE TREES THAT CLOSE TO THE STREET OR IN THE MEDIAN. BUT THERE'S OTHER WAYS, TOO. BUT FOR THAT, ALSO, WHILE WE'RE ON THE SLIDE, I DID HAVE A MEETING. UM TUESDAY. I BELIEVE WITH. CO SERVE REPRESENTATIVES. AND THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO MOVE THE POLLS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD. UM THEY WOULD ASK THAT WE HELP THEM IN COORDINATION WITH TEXT BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO NEED TO THE POWER TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL NEED TO GO UNDER 407 REMAIN BURIED ON THE ON THE SOUTH SIDE. THESE ARE HIGHER VOLTAGE SO THEY COME DOWN AND VOLTAGE. BUT THEY'LL THEY'LL BE IN CONDUIT UNDER 407, SO JUST NEED COORDINATION AND MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS SO THE. WE DON'T WANT TO PLAN HAND THIS STUFF UNTIL TEXTILE IS COMPLETELY THROUGH. SO THE GREEN RIBBON AND THE ESCROW TREES WILL ALL COME AFTERWARDS AND WILL MAKE SURE WE COORDINATE WITH THE UTILITIES. OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT TO PUT A TREE OVER THE TOP OF A POWER LINE, AN UNDERGROUND POWER LINES , SO, THAT'S UH, THAT'S.

PROBABLY THAT IS IT'S GONNA HAPPEN AFTERWARDS, BUT WE REALLY WANTED TO HAPPEN AFTERWARDS.

THERE ARE THINGS THAT MISS LAWRENCE AND I HAVE WORKED ON HERE IS BY MOVING CLOSER OF LINES TO THE NORTH, THE SHADE TREES WILL NO LONGER LOOK LIKE WISE. YOU KNOW THEY WON'T GET CUT UP AND CUT UNDER, LIKE PROSERVE LOVES TO DO TO TREAT SOMETIMES. UH WITH THIS VARIABLE WITH GRADING EASEMENT ALLOWS US TO PUT THE TREES VERY CLOSE TO THE SIDEWALK TO PROVIDE THE SHADED WALKING PATHS. RESIDENTS ARE ASKING FOR. IF THAT WAS THE COAST, THAT WAS TEXT DOT RIGHT

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AWAY. YOU CAN'T PLAN ANY LARGE TREES IN TECH START RIGHT AWAY, SO WE MANAGED TO PUSH THAT OVER AS WELL. AND THE PROBABLY BIGGEST ACCOMPLISHMENT WAS GETTING TEXT OUT TO. FINALLY AFTER TWO LONG MEETINGS, AGREE THAT YOU CAN HAVE A BIGGER GAP THAN 4 FT BETWEEN THE CURB AND SIDEWALK. SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE, UH, LEMONADE OUT OF LEMONS, AS THEY SAY. BUT I THINK . I WOULD HATE TO SEE WHO WOULD BUILD EVERYTHING THEY PROMISED AND THEN GET BULLDOZED BY TEXT, AND WE HAVE NO RECOURSE. ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WAS BIG IS BIG SHADE TREES IN TEXAS DROUGHTS DON'T DO WELL, WHO WOULD WOULD BE PROVIDING IRRIGATION TO THOSE AND STUFF BOUTS FOR IRRIGATION THROUGH THOSE FOR US TO CONNECT TO LATER? AND THE BELIEVE THE STAGE WILL BE BUYING THAT WATER FOR THOSE TREES CORRECT FROM OUR NON POTABLE SYSTEM, MR ANTS. YOU WORKED ON THIS QUITE A BIT. WOULD YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU, I THINK LIKE YOU SAID, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE LEMONADE OUT OF LEMONS HERE AND THERE WAS SOME CREATIVE SOLUTIONS KIND OF GIVEN FROM A BUNCH OF ENTITIES THAT WE MET WITH TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. IT WASN'T JUST US BUT I THINK ARE ASKED FOR ME. THE SIDEWALK WAS A HUGE ONE TRYING TO GET THAT AWAY FROM THE STREET AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. SO I APPRECIATE SOME OF THE CREATIVE THINKING THAT WENT INTO THAT TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT TO HAPPEN BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT WAS REALLY HEARD AT FIRST. ALRIGHT WAS WILLING TO BE MOVED. BUT WE MOVED IT SO UM, I UNDERSTAND THE RESIDENTS. YOU KNOW, WE'RE UPSET ABOUT THE PLANS CHANGING, BUT GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES, I THINK WE WE'VE COME A LONG WAY FROM THE FIRST PROPOSED. YES, MA'AM PLANS. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR HILLWOOD OR MR CORN OR ANYONE ELSE? THAT USED TO BE 100 AND 60. HOW MUCH SPACE IS LEFT THERE BETWEEN ONCE WAS AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE NOW, SO I'LL GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS GOING TO BE 75 FT BURIAL WITH EASEMENT OR LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG THE FRONTAGE. AND THEN ALSO BACK. TO THIS ONE. SO NOW IT'S GONNA BE A 36. FT. WE'RE BASICALLY OUT CUT IN HALF WHENEVER WE FOUND THAT ALL THE RIGHT AWAY WAS GOING TO BE COMING FROM THE SOUTH. BUT YOU'RE 75 FT INCLUDED. THE SIDEWALK IS CORRECT. CORRECT. SO THAT 39 FT ALL COMES. FROM FRONTAGE TO 407. NONE OF IT COMES TOWARDS YOUR. HOMES THAT YOU'RE BUILDING. IT ALL COMES TOWARDS THE HOMES THAT WE'RE BUILDING, SO THEY'RE TAKING AN ADDITIONAL 40 FT FROM THE SOUTH THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED. AND SO THAT ROADS GETTING 40 FT. CLOSER TO OUR ROADBLOCK OR OUR HOMES, AND IT BECOMES SQUARE. BUT BUT THE HOMES ARE THE LOTS ARE PLANTED AND THEY REMAIN IN THERE. RIDGE OR THEY'RE PLANTED CONFIGURATION. WE STARTED DEVELOPING PHASE THREE C, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO THIS RIGHT OF WAY. ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO. AND REALLY LEARNED OF THESE CHANGES, AND ABOUT JUNE OF THIS YEAR, I THINK WAS ABOUT THE TIMELINE. I EVERYBODY KNOWS I'M NOT THE BIGGEST FAN OF HILLWOOD, AND THAT'S NO SECRET. BUT THE STUFF YOU BROUGHT TO THE TABLE AND YOUR WILLINGNESS TO GET IN FRONT OF THIS IMPRESSED ME. THE ESCROW OF THE TREES WAS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST THING YOU DID THERE. YOU PROMISED US TREES. YOU'RE MAKING SURE WE GET TREES. AH! DREW WITH THAT ESCROW. I ASSUME IT'S BEEN CALCULATED OUT WITH A LITTLE BIT OF INFLATION TO ACTUALLY GET THOSE TREES INSTALLED. HAVE WE LOOKED AT THAT? DID YOU PROJECT THAT OUT OF THOSE NUMBERS? THAT NUMBER WAS PROVIDED TO NATHAN. I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND HONESTLY, CHECK ON THAT NUMBER. UM, BUT I DO KNOW THAT WE'VE GOTTEN BIDS ON THIS ENTIRE FRONTAGE ROAD IN FRONT OF THE CON ORIGINALLY WHEN WE WERE GOING TO DO THE LANDSCAPING, AND WE APPLIED THAT UNIT PRIZE WITH A LITTLE BIT OF ESCALATION TO IT. TO ACCOMMODATE MEAN WE'RE WE'VE BEEN THIS ABOUT A YEAR AGO, HONESTLY, AND SO FOR OURSELVES. WE EVEN ESCALATED THOSE COSTS A LITTLE BIT, SO OKAY. JURY YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THE NUMBERS HAVE BEEN ROUNDED.

WE WILL. WE'LL MAKE SURE THEY'RE FAIR AND CUSTOMARY AND THAT WE HAVE SOME ROOM IN THERE FOR INFLATION. THIS WILL WILL PUT THIS IN ESCROW TO BEING INTERESTED BEARING ACCOUNT SO HOPEFULLY THAT WILL HELP COMPENSATE FOR SOME OF THAT VALUE LOSS. VERY GOOD COUNSEL.

DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR HILLWOOD OR ANYONE ELSE? UM WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING THAT WAS CONTINUED, SO I WILL OPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING ONCE AGAIN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC. AT 6 30 PM PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK IN HANFORD ARE CARD YET. YOU CERTAINLY CAN FILL OUT A CARD AFTER YOU SPEAK, MR MCGREGOR. I

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SAW YOUR HAND. JOEL MCGREGOR AGAIN. 89 21 EC FAMILY LINE. UM YOU GOT 18 FT, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE THAT YOU COULD GET BACK. IN THE BUFFER AND I KNOW EVERYBODY LIKES THE PRETTY MEDIANS AND STUFF. BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT WEST LAKE AND SOUTH LAKE AND KILLER IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH THERE VERY OFTEN. THOSE MILLIONS LOOK LIKE GARBAGE . A LOT OF THE YEAR THEY LOOK GREAT AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE YEAR WHEN THEY COME THROUGH AND FIX THEM ALL UP AND DO EVERYTHING AND THEN THEY DETERIORATE REAL QUICKLY. AND ALSO I'M GUESSING. THERE THAT 18 FT OF MAINTENANCE GETS SHIFTED SOMEWHERE BESIDES THE O. A. IF IT'S 18 FT ON THE H L A SIDE THEY'RE TAKING CARE OF ALL THAT STUFF OVER THERE, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST SAID THEY'RE PROVIDING THE WATER AND WHATNOT. SO I'M ASSUMING I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY TAKE CARE OF THE REST OF IT. BUT THE 18 FT IN THE MIDDLE I'M ASSUMING IS GOING TO BE TAKEN CARE OF BY SOMEBODY ELSE. TEXT NOT MAYBE I DON'T KNOW A GOOD LUCK GETTING THEM TO COME OUT AND MAKE IT KEEP IT. NICE LOOKING. UM AND ALSO THAT SHIFTS THE MONEY FROM THE H O A OR THE OR THE RESIDENTS THAT BENEFIT THE MOST FROM IT. THE PEOPLE THAT ARE RIGHT THERE TO ALL OF US PAYING FOR IT IF TEXT DOTS DOING IT, YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T LIKE THAT EITHER. UM I THINK IT'S JUST WASTED SPACE IN THE MIDDLE. UM IT'S DANGEROUS FOR PEOPLE TO MAINTAIN IT. THAT'S PROBABLY WHY PLACES DON'T MAINTAIN THEM THAT MUCH OFTEN AND ALSO YOU KNOW WHEN THE CRUISER THEY'RE MAINTAINING THAT STUFF, IT REALLY MESSES UP TRAFFIC. AND WE ALREADY HAVE A TRAFFIC PROBLEM. SO I SAID, GET RID OF THAT MEDIA AND ALTOGETHER BUT WHATEVER KIND OF DIVIDER YOU NEED LOTS OF ROADS AROUND HERE.

DON'T HAVE YOU KNOW WE GOT LOVE AND 71 A LOT OF PLACES. IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY KIND OF MEDIA IN THERE, AND IT'S FINE. SO THAT'S MY THOUGHTS ON THE ISSUE. THANKS THANK YOU, MR MCGREGOR FOR CLARIFICATION WHO MAINTAINS THE GREENBELT PROGRAM? I GUESS THAT'S A QUESTION. I DID NOT ASK NORTHLAKE NORTHLAKE IN ORDER TO GET THOSE FUNDS THEY'LL PAY FOR ALL THAT UPFRONT COSTS, BUT THEY'RE WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S MAINTAINED. AND I BELIEVE THE MEDIAN WIDTH IS A TEXT ON STANDARD AND I DON'T KNOW WE HAVE ANY CONTROL AT ALL OVER THAT. AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE POINTS THAT I LEARNED DURING THE MEETINGS IS BECAUSE OF LEFT AND TURN LEFT AND RIGHT TURN LANES THAT WILL CUT INTO THAT MEETING, AND THAT MEETING IS STANDARD BY TEXT OFFER SIX LANE ROADS, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THAT. BUT GOOD POINT. THANK YOU. WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT PUBLIC HERE ON PUBLIC HEARING? NO, MR MS HARDMAN. HI, MARINA HARDIMAN AND BACK IN. I THINK IT WAS 1993 BEEN HERE ALL MY LIFE AND PARO BOTS THE CIRCLE T RANCH BACK IN THE LATE 19 NINETIES, WHEN THEY WERE PLANNING ON DEVELOPING IT. THEY WERE ALREADY PLANNING FOR 14 LANE DIVIDED 1 14, OKAY? SO THIS IS NOT THE KIND OF MISTAKE THAT I'VE EVER SEEN HILL WOULD MAKE IS THAT THEY DIDN'T PROPERLY NO, THE THAT THE WATER LINE WAS THERE, OR THAT THE ROADWAY WAS A CERTAIN WIDTH. I'M HEARING MISTAKE AFTER MISTAKE, AND REALLY, WHAT THEY OUGHT TO DO IS THEY OUGHT TO COME TO NORTH LIKE A TO TAKE AWAY. THOSE PLANTED LOTS GIVE NORTH LIKE THE 75 FT BUFFER THAT THEY PROMISED BECAUSE THERE WAS A HUGE DEAL IN NORTH LIKE WHENEVER ALL THOSE HOUSES AND HARVEST BACKED UP ON 407, AND EVERYBODY HATED THAT, INCLUDING YOU KNOW THE LANDOWNER , SO THEY HAD TO PLANT TREES AND HAD TO PUT UP FENCES AND DO ALL KIND OF STUFF AND WE KNOW HOW QUICKLY WOULDN'T WOULDN'T FENCES DETERIORATE? SO MAKE THIS A PERMANENT FIX. DON'T MAKE THIS A BAND AID. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, MR HARDIMAN. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT DOING THIS ON 407 AND CLEVELAND GIVES RIGHT NOW OR WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT SEVEN AT THE MOMENT. LET ME CLOSE THAT PUBLIC HEARING REAL QUICK, SO IT IS 6 34 PM I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING DR.

SESSIONS YOUR QUESTION. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? HAVING AN ACTION ITEM FOR 407 AND CLEVELAND, GIBBS. AT THIS POINT ARE WE JUST TALKING ABOUT 47? WELL CLEVELAND GIVES MENTIONED DURING THIS CONVERSATION. THERE WERE THREE DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNERS, AND EACH OF THEM HAD THEIR OWN ZONING. SO THE ORIGINAL BEYOND TRACK HAS 407 AND CLEVELAND GIBBS AND I BELIEVE IT'S THE FIRST ONE. AND THEN THE SECOND PROPERTY WAS, UM THOMPSON, AND IT HAS A KIND OF WELL WEST WEST OF, UH, GONE PARKWAY. AND IT WOULD JUST BE FOR 07. BUT YES, THERE IS ESPECIALLY IN THIS FIRST ONE THERE TWO ASPECTS TO IT. THERE IS A VIEW OF CLEVELAND GIBBS AND WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE THERE IS A VIEW OF 407407 IN CLEVELAND GIBBS. THERE'S A COMMERCIAL ASPECT TO IT AS WELL

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AS A RESIDENTIAL ASPECT TO IT, SO THERE'S REALLY YEAH. FOUR CHANGES. FOUR OF THEM ARE IN ONE ZONING CASE. TWO OF THEM ARE IN ANOTHER. WELL THERE'S JUST REALLY ONE CHANGE IN THE SECOND ZONING CASE. BUT YES, SIR. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT GOING ON HERE. 19 UNIT, CLEAN IT UP FOR ME REAL QUICK ON INCLUDED BOTH ZONING CASES. THOSE MOST ORDINANCE EXACTLY THE SAME TO INCLUDE EVERYTHING SO THEY MATCH UP. BUT THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IN CLEVELAND GIBBS THERE IS A REQUIREMENT FOR LANDSCAPE SETBACK. EVERYTHING IS STAYING THE SAME. THERE WAS WASN'T DIFFERENTIATION FOR WHEN THERE WAS COMMERCIAL FRONTAGE. IT WAS DESIGNED FOR WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE WHEN RESIDENTIAL LOTS ARE BACKING TO CLEVELAND. GIBBS SO REALLY, THE ONLY CHANGES THIS REMOVING THE FENCE BUT THE SAME LANDSCAPING ALONG THAT COMMERCIAL FRONTAGE. YES SO AS I'VE SEEN THE ORDINANCE, THE ONLY CHANGE ON CLEVELAND GIBBS SIDE OF THINGS IS TO REMOVE THE FENCE FOR THE COMMERCIAL SECTION. BUT THE DISTANCES THE GAPS, EVERYTHING ELSE STAYS THE SAME AS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED. ONE PECAN SQUARE WAS APPROVED. AND WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PICTURES OF THAT CORRECT. ARE THEY ARE IN ONE OF THE SLIDE DECKS. WE SHOULD THIS IS THIS FORWARD THROUGH THOSE MISTING. YES, SIR. SO THE MAYOR, PROTEIN SAID WE WEREN'T GONNA PUT A RESIDENTIAL FENCE IN BETWEEN THERE AND A COMMERCIAL AREA. OKAY? ALRIGHT AND THEN STAFF. DO WE NEED TO CLOSE THIS ITEM VOTE THIS I AM AND THEN GO AND REPEAT FOR THE SECOND ONE BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE AN OPEN PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT. I DID NOT TAKE THEM TOGETHER. PROBABLY MY MISTAKE. NO IT'S ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE NEED TO DO THEM SEPARATELY. YEAH. OKAY? ALL RIGHT. SO WITH THAT COUNCIL ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEFORE WE TAKE MOTIONS. ALRIGHT, I'LL TAKE THE MOTION. MOTION FROM MISS LAWRENCE. AND I HAVE A SECOND FOR MR KICKER. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. PLEASE OPEN

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AND VOTING. ALRIGHT FIVE AND ONE WITH ONE ABSENT MOTION PASSES. ALRIGHT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO

[5.B. Consider an Ordinance of the Town of Northlake, Texas, to amend the Pecan Square Mixed-Use Planned Development (MPD) Zoning, Ordinance No. 17-0413C, to revise the landscaping, setback, and fencing details along FM 407 and Cleveland-Gibbs Road for the approximately 635.5-acre tract of land situated in the F.W. Thornton Survey, Abstract No. 1244, and the A. McDonald Survey, Abstract No. 785, and generally located west of Cleveland-Gibbs Road between FM 407 and Mulkey Lane. HP Gibbs, LP is the owner/applicant. Case # PD-23-004 a. Public Hearing - CONTINUED FROM SEPTEMBER 28, 2023 b. Consider approvalConsider an Ordinance of the Town of Northlake, Texas, to amend the Pecan Square Mixed-Use Planned Development (MPD) Zoning, Ordinance No. 17-0413C, to revise the landscaping, setback, and fencing details along FM 407 and Cleveland-Gibbs Road for the approximately 635.5-acre tract of land situated in the F.W. Thornton Survey, Abstract No. 1244, and the A. McDonald Survey, Abstract No. 785, and generally located west of Cleveland-Gibbs Road between FM 407 and Mulkey Lane. HP Gibbs, LP is the owner/applicant. Case # PD-23-004 a. Public Hearing - CONTINUED FROM SEPTEMBER 28, 2023 b. Consider approval]

RESTATE MUCH HERE EXCEPT FOR THE SAME THING. UM THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE IN CLEVELAND GIVES HER EVERY ONCE AGAIN. IT'S JUST A REMOVAL OF FENCING IN FRONT OF THE COMMERCIAL SPACE. BUT I DO NEED TO REOPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING SINCE IT WAS CONTINUED, SO I WILL REOPEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING AT 6 38. PM. ANYBODY. ANYBODY. ALRIGHT I WILL CLOSE THAT PUBLIC HEARING ALSO AT 6 38

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PM COUNSELORS. I WILL TAKE A MOTION. THESE TWO ARE TIED TOGETHER, SO I HOPE THAT WE DON'T CREATE A SNAFU HERE. THANK YOU, MISS LAWRENCE. SECOND BY MR FOWLER. IF YOU'D LIKE TO OPEN VOTING. ALRIGHT 51 AND ONE ABSENT. MOTION PASSES. ALRIGHT ON THE ITEM C FOR CANYON FALLS.

[5.C. Consider an Ordinance of the Town of Northlake, Texas, to amend the Canyon Falls Mixed-Use Planned Development (MPD) Zoning, Ordinance No. 15-0326, to revise the boundaries of the zoning district, the development plan and certain development standards for that certain 58.094-acre tract of land located west of Cleveland-Gibbs Road and I H 35W and approximately 700 feet north of Westbridge Drive. NASH Canyon Falls LLC is the owner. Centurion American is the applicant/developer. McAdams is the planner. Case # PD-23-002 CONTINUED/TABLED FROM SEPTEMBER 28, 2023]

ALRIGHT I'LL JUST GIVE A QUICK UPDATE ON THIS AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT PRESENT THEIR CHANGES. THIS AGAIN. THIS IS ABOUT 58 ACRES. UM, ORIGINALLY PART OF THE CANYON FALLS PLAN DEVELOPMENT ZONING. UM. THE CURRENT ZONING CALLS FOR THIS AREA TO BE MIXED. USE MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL, WHICH ALLOWS FOR A MIX OF COMMERCIAL USES. I DID ALLOW FOR UP TO 300 RESIDENTIAL UNITS. BUT THOSE UNITS HAVE BEEN BUILT IN THE LOVANO. KENYAN FALLS APARTMENTS OFF OF FM 11 71 ANOTHER MIXED USE AREA WITHIN THE KENYAN FALLS PLAN DEVELOPMENT SO REALLY ALL THAT COULD BE BUILT ON THIS SITE. RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW IS PRIMARILY COMMERCIAL USES. SO I PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT WAS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL. UM, THE

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LAST MEETING. AND IT INCLUDED A REQUEST TO MAKE THIS AREA TO ALLOW ABOUT 100. SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BE THE SAME STANDARDS. IS THOSE EXISTING HOMES IN KENYAN FALLS ADJACENT TO THIS 50 FT OUTWARDS. TWO. PRESERVE JUST OVER SEVEN ACRES OF COMMERCIAL USE BETWEEN THE PLANNED REALIGNMENT OF CLEVELAND GIBBS AND 35 W. AND THEN UP TO ABOUT 120 TOWN HOMES. SO AFTER RECEIVING SOME GOOD DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL AT THE LAST MEETING , THE APPLICANT WENT BACK AND MADE SOME CHANGES SO THAT THE UPDATED PROPOSALS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IT INCLUDES JUST OVER 100 HOMES, MATCHING THOSE EXISTING KENYAN FALLS HOMES. AH AREA OF JUST OVER 10 ACRES FOR COMMERCIAL USE INCLUDES ALL THAT AREA BETWEEN CLEVELAND GIBBS AND 35, BUT ALSO ADDS ABOUT THREE ACRES AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE FUTURE. CLEVELAND GIBBS AND MARKING INTERSECTION WHERE TOWN HOMES WERE PROPOSED IN THE LAST PROPOSAL. AND THEN THEN I PROPOSE IS JUST OVER 50 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS. WITH 40 FT LOT WITS TO REPLACE THE REMAINING AREA WHERE TOWN HOMES ARE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED. SO WHAT YOU GET OUT OF THIS IS OVERALL, THERE'S A REDUCTION OF 66 RESIDENTIAL UNITS FROM THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL AND AN INCREASE OF ABOUT THREE ACRES OF COMMERCIAL AREA. AND I'LL TURN IT OVER THE APPLICANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE DETAILS. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR.

MAYOR OF THE ABSENCE SORRY, MAYOR PRO TIM AND COUNCIL RANDY RIVERA, LAND PLANNER WITH MCADAMS TO 10 CONTRIBUTE DRIVE IN ROANOKE. I ALSO HAVE WITH ME. JACK DAWSON, LISTEN TO ME, AND WE WERE HERE LAST TIME. SO I WANTED TO START OFF WITH THANKING EACH OF YOU FOR THE MEANINGFUL INPUT THAT YOU GAVE TWO WEEKS AGO. IT WAS A GOOD DISCUSSION. WE WENT THROUGH A LOT OF DETAIL TOGETHER, AND I THINK THAT REALLY HELPS INFORM THE PLAN MAKING IT BETTER AND THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. NATHAN SUMMARIZE THOSE. I'LL GO THROUGH THEM BRIEFLY, UM AND THEN WE CAN TOUCH ON ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO AGAIN. HERE IS THE EXISTING PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED PLAN. THERE ARE 100 AND 18 TOWN HOMES ON THIS LAYOUT AND 150 FT LOTS. AND THEN ABOUT NINE OR SO ACRES OF COMMERCIAL TOGETHER. AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT INCREASING THE COMMERCIAL.

NATHAN WENT OVER THAT AS WELL. AND THEN WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE TOWN HOME AREA? AND SO HERE IS THE BLOW UP OF THE PROPOSED PLAN. THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET THAT WILL BE IN THE PD THAT'S AMENDED. SO WE CONTINUED. THE AGAIN THIS 50 FT BUFFER UP TO THE COLLECTOR. AND THE TRAIL CONTINUES TO COME AS PREVIOUSLY SHOWN. AND THIS LIGHT COLOR HERE. THESE ARE 40 FT LOTS. AND IT MAKES FOR, UM YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK BACK AT THE TOWN HOME ONE THERE WASN'T A VEHICULAR CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO BECAUSE THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT USES, AND NOW WE'RE ABLE TO CONNECT THROUGH, UM, WHERE IT WILL TRANSITION FROM THE WIDER PRODUCT TO THE MORE NARROW AS YOU GET CLOSER TO THE COMMERCIAL AREA. UM AND THEN IT HELPS WITH CIRCULATION. YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THIS PROPOSED COLLECTOR THAT WRAPS AROUND TO ACCESS CLEVELAND GIBBS. SO I THINK THAT HELPS WITH PROVIDING A GOOD, MEANINGFUL ACCESS EVERYWHERE AND THEN LIMITED AMOUNT OF FORTIES ON THE NORTH SIDE. THIS IS WHERE WE CONCENTRATED THE IN IN EXPANSION OF THE COMMERCIAL AREA. IT'S 2.87 ACRES DUE TO THERE'S SOME STUDIED FLOODPLAIN RIGHT HERE. IT'S NOT FEMA, BUT THERE IS WE BELIEVE SOME SOME BLOOD PLANE THAT WE HAVE TO PROTECT. AND THEN PROPOSING A 20 FT. BUFFER WITH THAT WILL HAVE SCREENING AND THEN THE 40 FT LOTS. NICE LITTLE KIND OF ENCLAVE OF LOTS HERE ON THIS NORTH SIDE THAT ENDED NICOLA SACCO. WE THINK THAT WILL BE VERY DESIRABLE. SO ALL TOGETHER, UM LIKE NATHAN POINTED OUT 102 50 FT LOTS DOWN HERE AND THEN THE LIGHTER SHADE IS THE 52 40 FT LOTS. SO WE LOST ABOUT 66 OR SO LOTS OF REDUCED IT BY 30. UM THEN THOSE ARE THE COMPARISON SIDE BY SIDE. SEEING THOSE DIFFERENCES AGAIN, CONSISTENT WITH LANDSCAPE BUFFER AND TRAIL. UM AND THE TREATMENT OF THAT AREA, STILL PROPOSING THE AMENITY. AREA WE HAVE SHIFTED IT FROM THIS EAST SIDE OF THIS INJURY TO BE ON THE WEST SIDE AS

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YOU COME IN. AND THEN HERE IS THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT'S ALSO INCLUDED IN THE PD. THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS WHAT'S IN THE PD TODAY, AND THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE. SO WE WOULD WE EXPANDED THE 40. SORRY THE HIGH DENSITY OF TWO THROUGH THIS PROPERTY FOR ABOUT 40 ACRES. UM AND SO THAT'S THE KIND OF BRIEF SUMMARY UM, OF THOSE CHANGES AGAIN. YOU KNOW, THE INPUT WAS WAS WELL RECEIVED. AND THANK YOU FOR THE TIME THAT YOU SPENT BEING THOUGHTFUL TO GIVE THAT TO US. AND WE'RE STILL EVERYTHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. PREVIOUSLY IS STILL, UM BEING PROPOSED TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS WITH A MASONRY WALL. UM AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO JUMP THROUGH ANY OF THE OTHER DETAILS OF OUR PROPOSAL, AND WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST APPROVAL TONIGHT. BASED ON THESE CHANGES. QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU. THIS ROAD THAT NOW CONNECTS ON THE EASTERN SIDE. IS THAT POSSIBLE TO CONSTRUCT THAT EVEN WITH THE GAS WELL THERE BEFORE PHASE TWO STARTS TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION. YES SIR. IT WOULD REALLY THIS PHASING IS ABOUT THE HOMES THAT CAN'T BE BUILT, BUT THE ROADS CAN BE. THEY'RE EXCELLENT. I HAVE MY SAME QUESTION FROM TWO WEEKS AGO ABOUT THE WALKING TRAIL OR CONNECTING THE TRAILS IF THAT WOULD BE DONE IN PHASE ONE, EVEN THOUGH PHASE TWO WON'T BE COMPLETE. THE TIMELINE FOR THIS? YEAH WE'RE GOING TO CONNECT THOSE. YES YES, MA'AM. CONNECTING IT FROM WHERE IT STEMS OUT OR SORRY. SUBS OUT OVER HERE ON THE OFF THE AREA. I CAN'T REALLY SEE IT. AND HAVING THAT CONNECTION ALL THE WAY AROUND WILL BE DONE WITH PHASE ONE. OKAY, THANK YOU NEED THAT CONNECTION BECAUSE THAT'S THEIR SECOND POINT OF ACCESS. SO THAT'S FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES. THEY REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF CONNECTIONS ON CLEVELAND GIVES WHICH I THINK WAS AN EARLIER COMMENT THAT YOU MADE YOU HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU ON TRACK TO COMMERCIAL WHERE IT BACKS UP TO THE RESIDENTIAL. YOU SAID THAT'S ON THE RIGHT SIDE. IS THAT A MASONRY WALL THAT SEPARATES THEM? IS THAT GONNA BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE PACKAGE. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ONE HERE, BUT I DON'T SEE ONE. YES IT'S UM THERE'S A SCREENING EXHIBIT. LET ME I COULD GO FORWARD TO THAT. PASTOR I DON'T THINK I DID. SORRY. I DON'T WANNA MAKE EVERYBODY DIZZY. I DO HERE IT IS. OKAY SORRY. SO SORRY ABOUT THAT. UM SO YES, THIS RED LINE IS THE 6 FT SCREEN WALL AND THEN THE 20 FT LANDSCAPE BUFFERS ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE. MR GANZ, I NOTICED A BIG TOPIC THREE YEARS. ANYTHING BAD. I MAY BE A LITTLE ROUGH ON YOUR LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE, BUT I HAD MY CONCERNS. ACTUALLY I'D PREFER NO HOMES, TO BE HONEST, BUT I KNOW THAT'S NOT REALISTIC, BUT THE NUMBER OF HOMES DID DROP BY 65 TO 70. THE TOWN HOMES ARE NO LONGER SO. I'D BE OKAY WITH THE WAY IT'S PRESENTED NOW. THANKS FOR TAKING OUR CONCERNS THE HEART WELL, THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THEM AND SHARING THEM AGAIN, AND IT WAS A GOOD DISCUSSION. I THINK IT WAS RECEIVED VERY WELL. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER? QUESTIONS OR POINTS ON THIS. ALL RIGHT. THANK CALL YOU BACK UP HERE IN A MOMENT, BUT LET'S GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. MR COLE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP CLOSE? YEAH. YEAH IT SAYS CONTINUED IN TABLED ITSELF. OH, WHAT DO I HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CALL UP A RESIDENT WHO I SAY COULD SPEAK DURING THIS YEAR AS CHAIR. YOU CAN ASK HIM. YEAH YOU CAN HAVE ANYONE COME SPEAK COUNCIL. DO YOU HAVE ANY MR COLE, PLEASE COME ON. MY APOLOGIES. UM NICOLE MOYER, 1532 . WESTBORO UM I AM A RESIDENT OF KING FALLS AND I'M DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THIS AREA. UM AND MYSELF AND I HAVE SPOKEN TO MY NEIGHBORS AND WE IMPLORE YOU TO ACCEPT THE PROPOSAL. UM WE AGREE AND ARE GRATEFUL WITH THE FEEL SAFE THAT YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT THE LAST TIME TO ENSURE THAT THE DEVELOPER DOES HOLD TO THEIR PROMISES MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE PREVIOUSLY THIS BOARD OR SOME MEMBERS OF IT FAILED TO DO SO TO PROTECT THE CANNONBALLS RESIDENTS. NULAND WAS PERMITTED TO SUBMIT INCOMPLETE PLANS WITH EMPTY PROMISES OF A TRANSITION FROM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL.

THEY PROMISED A BUFFER. THEY PROMISED A BERM. THEY PROMISED TREES. THEY CHARGE RESIDENTS AND WE WERE MADE TO PAY LACK PREMIUMS THAT WENT DIRECTLY TO NEWLAND. AND THEN THEY TOOK THE MONEY AND RAN AND DID NOT PROVIDE ANY OF THOSE PROMISES. UM SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE BEEN REALLY ACTIVE WITH THE PROCESS AND WE THANK THEM HEARTEDLY. THE DEVELOPER AND THE

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RESIDENTS HAVE MET. WE'VE WORKED ON A COMPROMISE THAT IS BENEFICIAL FOR ALL ITS BEEN THOUGHTFULLY PLANNED, AND WE APPRECIATE GREATLY THE ATTENTION TO DETAIL. IT IS NOT LOST ON US THAT THEIR ECONOMIC NEEDS IN OUR COMMUNITY. HOWEVER IT IS ALSO NEEDS TO BE DONE PROPERLY, AND IT NEEDS TO BE DONE WITHOUT HARMING THOSE OF US WHO HAVE ALREADY INVESTED IN THIS COMMUNITY. UM I GUESS THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE, IT IT WAS PRETTY UNCOMFORTABLE TO HEAR COMMENTS. UH, THAT WERE PRETTY NEGATIVE TOWARDS MY COMMUNITY. AND I HOPE THAT YOU ALL REMEMBER THAT, ALTHOUGH IT'S CLEAR THAT SOME OF YOU ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF CANYON FALLS OR ARE RESIDENTS THAT YOU REPRESENT US ALL? AND IF YOU CHOOSE TO BE A BOARD MEMBER, YOU CHOOSE TO REPRESENT THE BEST INTERESTS OF US WERE GOOD, HARDWORKING PEOPLE AND WE DESERVE TO BE TREATED WITHOUT PREJUDICE. AND WE JUST ASK THAT YOU GIVE US SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO ALLOW US. YES TO HAVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY. BUT ALSO TO TAKE CARE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WERE PROMISED PREVIOUSLY, AND WE ARE JUST ASKING AS THIS PLAN DOES MEET OUR NEEDS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ONE THING THAT I NOTICED IN THE AGREEMENT IS THERE ARE NO WORDS THAT WE PUT IN THEIR RESIDENTIAL SCREENING SHALL BE PROVIDED. WOOD FENCING SHALL BE REPLACED.

SO THOSE THINGS THAT WE DID TO PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS DID MAKE THE LANGUAGE SO IT'S NO LONGER A PROMISE. IT'S IN THE CONTRACT. SO THAT MEANS THAT YOU'RE MASONRY WALLS MUST BE AGREED TO BEFORE YOU CAN REALLY BUILD. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT CONCESSION BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO RESIDENTS THERE, AND IT MAKES SURE THAT PROMISE GETS CARRIED THROUGH SO APPRECIATE THAT BEING

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WRITTEN INTO THE CONTRACT. ANYBODY ELSE? HAVE ANYTHING ON THIS. WITH THAT I WILL TAKE MOTIONS. I HAVE A MOTION FOR MR FOWLER AND I HAVE SECONDED THAT MOTION. MORE DISCUSSION. OKAY.

OPEN VOTING, PLEASE. SIX. NONE. CONGRATULATIONS. ALRIGHT I THINK WE HAVE THE HEAVY LIFTING DONE

[5.D. Consider an Ordinance of the Town of Northlake, Texas, amending the Northlake code of ordinances, Chapter 9 "Planning and Miscellaneous Development Regulaons" to include revisions to the Engineering Design Manual]

FOR TONIGHT. NEXT CODE OF ORDINANCES. MISCELLANEOUS DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. THAT MEANS THAT NATHAN NEEDS SOMETHING. ENGINEERING MANUAL IS ACTUALLY ERIC AND DENNIS ARE CONSULTING ENGINEER. OKAY? I TRIED TO READ THE WHOLE MANUAL DIDN'T WORK DIDN'T WORK, OKAY? WELL, WE GOT IT TO YOU, RIGHT? YOU DID. I CAN'T TELL WHERE ALL THE CHANGES ARE, BUT THAT WE GET YOU HIGHLIGHTED VERSION. ALL OF ALL OF THE YELLOW WAS HIGHLIGHTED. YES THAT'S PRESENTED LAST MONTH. SORRY I WASN'T AVAILABLE FOR THE LAST MEETING. BUT THIS IS AN UPDATE TO THE ENGINEERING DESIGN, MANUAL DETAILS AND GENERAL NOTES THAT WE HAVE IN OUR, UH MANUAL.

THE MAIN GOAL OF THIS WAS TO UPDATE THE MANUAL FROM NORTH TEXAS CENTRAL COG SPECIFICATIONS FOR PUBLIC WORKS. FOURTH EDITION TO FIFTH EDITION. THE TOWN ORIGINALLY ADOPTED THIS MANUAL IN 2010 WITH MINIMAL UPDATES. I THINK THE ONLY UPDATE WE HAD SINCE 2010 WAS THE LIGHTING WHICH WAS PASSING ORANGE IN 2018. AH WITH THIS, UH. COG PUT OUT THE FIFTH EDITION IN 2017.

SO WE'VE BEEN WRITING THAT THE 2017 COGS SPECS HAVE BEEN, UH, TESTED PROVEN, SO THAT WAS WE FELT IT WAS TIME TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. SO THAT'S WHERE MOST OF THESE CHANGES ARE COMING FROM THE OTHER THING THAT WE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF WAS ALSO UPDATING THE I SWIM MANUAL. WITH THIS.

THE CURRENT MANUAL HAS ADOPTED THE 2006 I SWIM. AH SINCE THEN, IN 2015 AND 2014. THE MANUAL FORMAT WAS CHANGED. SO ALL OF OUR REFERENCES TO SECTIONS TWO CRITERIA OR IN DIFFERENT PLACES IN THE NEW MANUAL. SO IN ADDITION TO THAT COG HAS QUIT MAINTAINING THE MANUAL ON THE WEBSITE. SO ALL OF THE CONSULTANTS ALL OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT ENGINEERS, EVERYBODY WITH THE TOWN IS REFERENCING THE NEW MANUAL. BUT HAVING TO REFER BACK TO OUR STANDARDS AT THE

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2006, SO THE BIGGEST NUMBER OF CHANGES CAME WITH THE AS WELL. AND MOST OF THOSE WERE SECTION NUMBERS AND THEN CHANGING FOR THE CRITERIA VERSUS THE TECHNICAL MANUAL BECAUSE THEY SPLIT THE MANUAL INTO SO WITH THAT. JUST GENERAL. THINGS THAT WERE CHANGED IN THIS AH! THE PAVING WAS PRETTY WELL LEFT THE SAME EXCEPT COG X GAVE A BETTER EXPLANATION OF PROOF FOR HOLDING WHICH WE ADDED TWO HOURS, WHICH IS GREAT PREPARATION. ANOTHER THING WE LOOKED AT IS FLY ASH AND PAINTING CONCRETE. PREVIOUSLY THE TOWN REQUIRED OR ALLOWED ONLY TOPSY OH, WE'VE OPENED IT UP TO TYPE C AND TYPE F NOW TO BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH TEXTILE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE. OF THE SUPPLIES THAT WE HAVE. AND BASICALLY FLY ASH IS A IS A BYPRODUCT OF COAL FIRED POWER PLANTS. SO AS THOSE COAL FIRED POWER PLANTS ARE PHASED OUT, WE'RE LOSING THAT ASSET, SO WE'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE CONTRACTORS TO SEE WHAT THEY GET TO KEEP THE CONCRETE PROCESS LOWER. AND ALSO BE ABLE TO BE MORE FLEXIBLE WITH THE CONCRETE. AH! AS I MENTIONED IN THE DRAINAGE MANUAL. MOST OF THAT IS SECTIONS. WE ALSO ADDED. SOME CLARIFICATION TO THIS FOR TOWN REQUIREMENTS BASED ON WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN PAST REVIEWS, AND WHAT THE INTENT IS, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S IN WRITING THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE WANT IN OUR REVIEWS, HOPING TO SPEED UP THE REVIEW PROCESS. APPRECIATE THAT AND QUESTIONS. WOW I WOULD SAY THAT OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS, ONE OF OUR BIGGEST PROBLEMS HAS BEEN WATER RUNNING DOWN HILLS. IT'S HARD TO MAKE WATER ON THAT PILL. SORRY. I SAID THAT, UM, BUT ANYWAY YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD PROBLEMS. AND WE'VE HAD QUITE WE SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME IN HERE IN THE MEETINGS BECAUSE PEOPLE COME AND GRAB ABOUT IT. ARE THESE NEW REGULATIONS GONNA HELP US WITH THAT? YES SIR. THE I SWIM IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE THE ROBUST, UH, DRAINAGE REVIEWS THAT THE TOWN NEEDS FOR A LONG TERM DRAINAGE PROCESS. AH WATER STILL GONNA RUN DOWNHILL AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF IT RUNNING DOWNHILL BASED ON THE AREA IN THE IN THE INCREASING PERVIOUS AREA, BUT WE CAN CONTROL THAT. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS MANUAL HELPS US. DO IT HELPS US HOLD THE DEVELOPERS TO THE STANDARDS. AND PROVIDES THAT ORDERLY DRAINAGE TO GET IT DOWNSTREAM. UH WHAT BEING SUSTAINABLE FOR LONG TERM. A LOT OF THESE REGULATIONS AFFECT, YOU KNOW, IMPERVIOUS SURFACES, CURB AND GUTTER TYPE STUFF AS WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THAT SOMEBODY'S UPDATES ALSO APPLIED TO LARGE LOTS WHERE WE HAVE OUR KNOW. LOTTA LIKE DRAINAGE THINGS LIKE THAT, AND ONE IN PARTICULAR WE SPILLED OUT THE FIVE ACRE LOTS. LOTS OF LOT DRAINAGE. UH, WITH THE WITH THE BIGGER LOTS.

THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES WERE AH, THERE IS THERE CAN BE SOMEWHAT A LOT, BUT WHAT WE'VE BEEN INSERTED INTO THIS IS THAT DRAINAGE HAS TO BE REVIEWED AND DEPENDING ON THE IMPACT OF THE LOTS HOW IT'S MANAGED. THANK YOU. I'M GLAD THAT WE COVERED THAT POINT. IT WAS A CHALLENGE FOR US BEFORE. ALRIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE COUNCIL? AM I THE ONLY GUY HERE THAT THINKS WE'VE HAD A PROBLEM? NO, NOT AT ALL. NO. I KNOW A LOT OF TIMES HE'S ORDINANCE ARE WRITTEN WHERE THE ENGINEERS JUST HAVE TO DO THEIR STUDY AND SAY THAT WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, DRAINAGE WILL NOT BE ANY MORE OR LESS THAN IT WAS PREVIOUSLY. PROBLEM I HAVE WITHE DRAINAGE NUMBERS MAY BE THE SAME. BUT THE DISPERSAL OF THE DRAINAGE CHANGES DRASTICALLY. THE NUMBERS MAY MATCH UP BUT ONE LOT, MAYBE TAKING ALL THE DRAINAGE AND THE OTHER FOUR OR FIVE LOTS WON'T TAKE ANY SO. TO THESE ENGINEERING MANUAL. DO THEY ADDRESS THOSE TYPES OF SITUATIONS? THE ASPIRIN MANUAL REQUIRES THE ADVERSE IMPACTS TO BE LOOKED AT NOT ONLY IN THE QUANTITY OF FLOW THE VELOCITY OF FLOW, BUT IT ALSO HAS A REQUIREMENT TO MIMIC THE EXISTING FLU PATHS, WHICH WHICH THE DEVELOPMENT ENGINEERS LOOK AT AS THE AREA OF THE LENGTH. FOR A BETTER TERM OF HOW THAT OVERLAND FLOW GETS. AND THERE'S. A LOT OF WORK THAT GOES INTO THAT. UH SO THIS DOCUMENT GIVES

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US THE ABILITY TO HOLD THEM TO THAT, BUT IT'S GOT TO BE WITHIN REASON. UH, DEPENDING ON THE SITE. AND WE HAVE WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE INDIVIDUALLY. TO YOUR POINT. THE COUCH PASTURE.

THAT HAS 1000 WINNERS OR FEET OVERALLS OFF INTO ONE PIPE VERSUS ROLLING OFF 1000 LINEAR FEET CORRECT. NO BASICALLY, YOU WILL HAVE FOUR OR FIVE LOTS, SHARING ALL THE DRAINAGE. AND WANT SOME DEVELOPMENT GETS GOING AND EARTH GETS MOVED AROUND AND HILLS GET CREATED. THAT DISPERSAL GOES TO ONE LOT OR TWO LOTS VERSUS BEING SPREAD OUT. AMONG THE REST IS MY CONCERN. I KNOW IT'S NOT POINT FOR MANUAL CHANGE RIGHT NOW, BUT I IMPLORE HAVE TO KEEP LOOKING AT THAT, SO WE DON'T HAVE REPEATS OF SOME OTHER. PAST DEVELOPMENTS AS WE CONTINUE FORWARD, SO THERE'S THE POINT THAT MR GANZ RAYS ARE VERY VALID POINTS FOR OUR NEWER DEVELOPMENTS COMING ONLINE.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I WILL TAKE MOTIONS. THANK YOU, SIR. SURE WE DON'T HAVE IT LISTED AS SUCH. BUT WE DO NEED A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS BECAUSE IT IS AN ORDINANCE. UM, SO OUR APOLOGIES.

UM THANK YOU FOR SETTING ME UP FOR FAILURE IN THERE. APPRECIATE THAT WAS NOT MY INTENT. ALRIGHT WE WILL HOLD THOSE MOTIONS FOR A MOMENT, GENTLEMEN. UH, OPEN PUBLIC HEARING AT 701. PM MS HARDMAN. RINA HARDMAN HAD REAL QUICK QUESTION. WHEN WOULD THESE TAKE EFFECT? IMMEDIATELY OR.

MAKING MISTAKES AS SOON AS YOU PASS THEM. YES, IMMEDIATELY IMMEDIATELY. HAVE BEEN A GOOD IDEA TO PASS THAT FIRST AND THEN THE DEVELOPMENT AFTERWARD TIME. ANYBODY ELSE? ALRIGHT I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING 702 PM. AND YOU STILL HAVE A MOTION. YES. HOWEVER. DREW WITH THE IF WE HAD CHANGED ORDER OF THESE WITH THE PAST DEVELOPING AGREEMENTS AS THEY ARE JUST AMENDMENTS BE AFFECTED. JUST CURIOUS, BECAUSE THAT'S A VERY VALID POINT. NO, BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL GRANDFATHER UNDER RULES. THEY WERE PASSED UNDER AT THE TIME, OKAY? THANK YOU FOR THAT

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CLARIFICATION. ALRIGHT SO I DO HAVE A MOTION FROM MR DOCTOR SESSIONS AND I HAVE A SECOND FROM MYSELF. WE MAY OPEN VOTING. 60 WITH ONE ABSENT WITNESS. ALRIGHT UH, WHO IS GOING TO TALK

[5.E. Consider Resoluon authorizing the Town Manager to purchase Badger cellular water meter equipment and installaon services in accordance with the FY 2023-2024 Adopted Budget from sole source provider Atlas Ulity Supply Company in an amount not to exceed $1,994,593.50]

TO US ABOUT THE WATER METERS? SO YOU WERE UPGRADES. WHAT'S THAT? BRANDON YOU'RE GONNA TALK TO US ABOUT FAILURE. WATER METERS. ALRIGHT, WE'LL GO ON UP. IF WE HAVE SOME FINANCIAL QUESTIONS, UM JOHN CAN HELP US AS WELL. BRANDON'S FULLY PREPARED SORRY. FINANCIAL QUESTIONS. I'M SURE FINANCIAL THE FINANCIAL SO WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO MOVE FORWARD WITH BRANDON. I PUT A MONITOR RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF YOU TALKING TO MIKE AND YOU MIGHT NEED TO LIFT IT UP. YOU'RE LIKE 67. SO THERE WE GO. UH WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO OUR WE'RE LOOKING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SELLER ENDPOINTS FOR OUR WATER METERS. THIS IS NOT REPLACING ANY OF THE METERS. IT IS ALL THE TECHNOLOGY. UM THIS WILL ALLOW US TO CUT DOWN. A LOT OF MAN HOURS. UM METER READS.

FINAL READS NEW CONNECTS. THE CUTS DOWN ON A LOT OF OUR LABOR. WE DO HAVE THE QUOTE THIS WE WILL BE HIRING OUT FOR ACCOMPANIED TO REPLACE ALL OF THE TECHNOLOGY. ALL THE ENDPOINTS SOME METERS WILL NEED, UM, THE ACTUAL TRANSMITTER OR THE ODOMETER. THAT READS THE GALLONS AND THEY WILL NEED THE TRANSMITTER AND ENDPOINTS. SOME WOULD JUST NEED AN ENDPOINT. BUT AGAIN NO, NO BRASS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT WILL BE REPLACED. UM, AT THIS POINT IN TIME. IT IS A

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ONE TIME COST. HERE'S THE FUN PART. IT WILL ALLOW CUSTOMERS TO TRACK AND VIEW THE LIVE WATER USAGE. UH, THESE THIS TECHNOLOGY REPORTS EVERY FOUR HOURS. WHEN IT IS REPORTED, THE CUSTOMER CAN GO DOWN ALL THE WAY TO 15 MINUTES. SO THIS CAN ACTUALLY HELP US CUT DOWN WITH WELL, IT CAN HELP WITH OUR WATER CONSERVATION. IT CAN ACTUALLY HELP US. SEE, UM REALLY HIGH WATER USAGE. EVEN WHEN PEOPLE CALL IN FOR CHECK FOR LEAKS. WE CAN PRESS A BUTTON AND SEE.

WATER USAGE OVER THE PAST 60 90 DAYS, SO THAT WOULD THAT WOULD HELP US TREMENDOUSLY WITH THE WATER ROLLING DOWN THE HILL AND REALLY TRY TO CUT DOWN AND SAVE SOME WATER AND WITH WATER CONSERVATION. UM IT WILL PROVIDE BETTER CUSTOMER SERVICE FOR OUR RESIDENTS. UM. THEY HAVE ALL THE CAPABILITY RIGHT THERE, FINGERTIPS WITH AN APP OR ON THE COMPUTER. UM IMPROVE OUR BUILDING PROCESS, BUILDING PROCESS OR MEDIA READS WILL GO FROM 3 TO 4 DAYS TO ABOUT 10 MINUTES. CLICK OF A BUTTON AND EVERYTHING GOES GOES RIGHT INTO OUR SYSTEM. UM. WITH THESE WITH THE NEW TECHNOLOGY IF A METER IS DAMAGED. I ALREADY FELT LIKE THAT WE WILL KNOW WITHIN FOUR HOURS. IT'LL SEND US AN EMAIL. THIS IS DAMAGED. WE CAN GO RIGHT OUT AND FIX IT. THE IMPLEMENTATION. TIMELINE. YOU'RE . LOOKING 3 TO 6 MONTHS THAT IS BASED ON AVAILABILITY OF THE COMPANY TO INSTALL IT AND SUPPLY AND DEMAND FROM THE COMPANY. UM RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT A BELIEVE IT WAS 6800. UM IN POINTS AND ABOUT 2300 TRANSMITTERS, SO THAT IS A LARGE ORDER. SO IT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON HOW MUCH THEY HAVE IN STOCK AND THEN HOW FAST THEY CAN GET IT TO US. UM WITH THE WITH THE COMPANY DOING IT, THEY DO HAVE A PROGRAM CALLED WARMS, AND WHEN THE CRUISER OUT IN THE FIELD, THEY'LL INPUT THE DATA INTO THE WALL MEANS AND THE WALLS PROGRAM WILL PUT IT DIRECTLY INTO OUR OPEN GULF. UM, SYSTEM. WHICH WILL ALLOW THE TOWN NOT TOO HAVE TO PUT EVERY SINGLE ADDRESS IN. WE CAN DO THAT DAILY. WE CAN DO THAT WEEKLY. WE CAN DO THAT MONTHLY. WE WILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF OVERLAP, UM, WITH THE 3 TO 6 MONTHS, BUT EVERY MONTH THAT THEY'RE INSTALLING OUR MEDIA READS WILL GO DOWN. UH, WHEN, WHEN CUSTOMERS TRANSMITTER IS REPLACED TRANSMITTER AND ENDPOINTS REPLACED. UM. WE HAVE MULTIPLE WAYS WE CAN NOTIFY THEM . WE CAN DO A BILLION INSERT. WE CAN DO AN EMAIL IF THEY GET THEIR BILL EMAIL TO THEM, THE EMAILED OR WE PUT A FLOWER UP ITS. HOWEVER HOWEVER, UM, DIRECTION WOULD LIKE IT TO GO.

UM AGAIN, THERE'S A WEB PAGE AND THERE IS AN APP. UM HERE'S A COUPLE OF SLIDES OF HOW THE APP THIS IS ACTUALLY TAKEN OFF THE DESKTOP. OF HOW IT LOOKS, HOW CUSTOMERS CAN GO THROUGH AND LOOK BY THE HOUR. UM AND THEN YOU CAN LOOK AT LAST SEVEN DAYS PREVIOUS SEVEN DAYS. 30 DAY AVERAGE. UM AGAIN. THIS WILL DEFINITELY HELP US WITH OUR WATER CONSERVATION, ESPECIALLY IN THE HOT IN THE HOT SUMMER. SEE HOW MUCH WATER. SOMEONE'S USING. AND IT CAN ACTUALLY HELP WITH LOOKING AT THE SCHEDULE TIMES TIMEFRAMES IF IRRIGATION SYSTEMS ARE RUNNING MORE THAN TWICE A WEEK. THAT HELPS US OUT TREMENDOUSLY. UM HERE'S OUR DAILY AVERAGE. AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU CAN SEE USAGE BY THE DAY. MM. OH WENT TOO FAR. I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION RIGHT OFF THE BAT. ANY QUESTIONS? HOW DOES THE COMPANY IS GETTING $2 MILLION FROM US NOT KNOW WHEN THEY CAN DELIVER. WELL THE INSTALLATION COMPANY OR BADGER BADGER. BADGER THEY WILL NOT PUT A TIME ON IT UNTIL WE MAKE THE ORDER. UNTIL WE MAKE THE ORDER. WE DID HAVE A LITTLE SETBACK ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO. WHEN THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY METERS. BUT CALL. TALK TO HIM.

THEY'LL THEY'LL SHIP US AND GET US SOME UNTIL THEY CAN FULFILL OUR FULL ORDER. BUT WITH LARGER ORDERS FROM WHAT I'M HEARING FROM OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND COMPANIES, AND YOU MAKE A LARGE ORDER, THEY WANT TO GET THOSE OUT. BECAUSE THAT'S A THAT'S A LARGE LARGE CHECKS THAT THEY WANT TO GET THOSE OUT AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. AGAIN I CAN'T PUT A TIME FRAME ON IT. IT'S DIFFICULT WITHOUT SAYING, HEY, WE WANT TO PLACE THIS ORDER. HERE'S THE PIO . EXACTLY SECONDARILY, WHAT'S

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YOUR APPROXIMATE OR WILL BE THEIR APPROXIMATE TIME ON SITE? I COME TO A RESIDENT'S HOUSE TO DO THE UPGRADE. WHAT'S THE APPROXIMATE THAT CAN THAT CAN VARY JUST JUST A LITTLE BIT. SO IF YOU HAVE TO REPLACE THE ENDPOINT AND TRANSMITTER OR THE ODOMETER IF YOU HAVE TO REPLACE BOTH OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME IT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON IS THE METER BURIED DOES IS THERE A LOT OF DIRT THAT HAVE TO DIG OUT? UM THERE IS A SECURITY SCREW THAT GIVES YOU WITH THAT'S BROKEN.

TYPICALLY IF WE'RE IF WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT IF WE NO ONE'S BROKEN AND WE HAVE TO REPLACE IT. 10 TO 15 MINUTES. OKAY I THINK MOST OF THE TIME WILL BE THE INPUT OF INFORMATION ON THE LAPTOP IN THE TRUCK, SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE MOST OF THEIR TIME. OKAY? THAT'S VERY GOOD BECAUSE PEOPLE NEED AND THERE SHOULD BE NO WATER SHUT OFF AND SOME UNLESS SOMETHING UNFORESEEN UNFORESEEN HAPPENS WHEN IT WHEN IT COMES TO THE ODOMETER, AND THEN POINT THEY ALL TOPICS. YES, SIR. NO WATER WILL BE SHUT OFF ITS UNSCREW THE SCREW, TWISTED OFF AND THEN TWIST THE NEW ONE ON EVEN EASIER BECAUSE IT'S TWIST. COUNCIL. QUESTIONS. SINCE $2 MILLION IS A LOT OF MONEY.

WHAT'S DRIVING THIS? WHAT? WHAT MADE US DECIDE? WE NEED TO DO THIS. ONE OF THE COUNCIL GOALS IS TO USE EFFICIENCIES TO AVOID FUTURE POSITIONS. UM, AND THIS WILL BE ACTUALLY A 20 YEAR NOTE.

AND FOR THIS, SO THIS, THIS COST WILL BE SPREAD OUT OVER, UM, INTERVIEW FUTURE RATEPAYERS. BUT . AND SO WE BELIEVE IT'S UM IT'LL BE SAVINGS IN THE LONG RUN. IT WILL BE THE LATEST TECHNOLOGY IT ACTUALLY PUTS INFORMATION INTO THE HANDS OF THE CUSTOMERS AND HELPS THEM HELP US CONSERVE WATER AND USE IT MOST WISELY. SO THOSE SAVINGS SO WE WERE ALREADY KIND OF TALKED ABOUT. PERSONNEL SAVINGS AND TOWN SAVINGS, BUT THE SAVINGS IN WATER USAGE COULD COULD. WE CAN FIND THOSE SAVINGS . UM QUITE SOON AS WELL. THAT'S PRETTY GOOD ANSWER. WE'RE REDUCING THE. OF METER READING TIME FROM YES, MULTIPLE HOURS DOWN TWO MINUTES. DO WE HAVE AN IDEA WHAT THAT SAVINGS WOULD BE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. SO HOW LONG THREE DAYS BETWEEN 22 EMPLOYEES WITH TWO VEHICLES. IT NORMALLY TAKES ABOUT 10 TO 12 HOURS TO DO COMPLETE TOWN. ME TO READ, UM, PAST THAT WE ALSO HAVE IF WE HAVE ANY COMMUNICATION ERRORS OR ANY WHAT THEY CALL TAMPER, WHICH COULD MEAN IT GOT TOO HOT OR ANYTHING OR WIRE WAS CUT. UM IT CUTS DOWN ON THOSE OR IF REID WAS MISSED, SOMETIMES WITH THE GPS COORDINATES, IT MIGHT NOT PICK IT UP WHEN IT DRIVES BY, SO IT'LL BE A MYSTERY. WE'VE HAD UPWARDS OF OVER 100 OF THOSE IN A IN A MONTH, AND THAT WOULD TAKE 3 TO 4 DAYS BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GETTING INTO BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A 30 DAY PERIOD. THIS WOULD GO IF THERE'S A COMMUNICATION ERROR. FOUR HOURS. WE KNOW THAT DAY. UM WHEN IT HAPPENED, WE'LL GET THE EMAIL OR IF IT WAS A TAMPER OR WIRE CUT. WE KNOW RIGHT THEN, UM, SO CUTTING DOWN ON THAT WITH THE SAVINGS WE'RE NOT DRIVING AROUND FOR 10 TO 12 HOURS WITH TWO EMPLOYEES AND TWO VEHICLES. UM, IT'S DOES THIS STAFFING CHANGES AREN'T SIGNIFICANT IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS. I THINK PART OF IT IS, UH, YOU KNOW WHERE WE GO FROM. 10,000 RESIDENTS TO POTENTIALLY BUILD UP 50,000 THAT THERE'S A. BUT AGAIN BACK TO THE EFFICIENCY AND USING OUR WATER WISELY AND FINDING THESE LEAKS AND INSTEAD OF ME TAKING A PICTURE WHEN I'M WALKING OF SOMEBODY JUST DUMPING WATER DOWN INTO THE STORM DRAIN. UM WILL BE ABLE TO USING ANALYSIS TO FIND THESE AND HELP THOSE CUSTOMERS UNDERSTAND THEIR OVERWATERING AND BETTER PRACTICES CAN THE CUSTOMERS ALSO SET UP ALERTS VALUE? YOU KNOW, MORE THAN 5000 FOR 400 GALLONS IN A DAY ALERT ME THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THIS WEBSITE THAT THAT THE CUSTOMER CAN USE AND ALSO CAN HELP US AT THE SAME TIME, I CAN PULL UM DAD ON THE TOP 100 USERS. UM MOST WATER USAGE. IT HELPS US TREMENDOUSLY CUT DOWN. AND THEN IF SOMEBODY FEELS THEY'VE WATER TOO MUCH, THEY CAN GO BACK AND LOOK THROUGH THE DAYS IN THE HOURS AND LOOK BACK AND SEE HOW WELL MY SPRINKLER COMES ON FOR SIX HOURS. UM FIVE TIMES A WEEK, SO THAT'S GOING TO HELP US. TREMENDOUSLY. QUESTIONS

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COUNSEL. HOW LONG HAVE THESE SENSORS LAST? I MEAN, IS THERE ANY YOU TALK TO MS FATALITIES BEFORE YOU SAID HAVE THEY HAD ANY ISSUES AFTER THEY'VE INSTALLED THEM MAINTENANCE WISE OR HAVING TO REPLACE NO. NORMALLY THEY LEFT ABOUT 10 YEARS. THEY DO HAVE A LITHIUM ION BATTERY AND THEY ARE SENDING UP FREQUENCY SELF FREQUENCY. EVERY EVERY FOUR HOURS. UM 10 YEARS 10 TO 12 YEARS RIGHT THERE IF IT HAS REALLY GOOD SIGNAL. UM IF IT'S STRUGGLING, SO IF IT'S GOING THROUGH A METAL LID THEN IT'S GONNA USE MORE POWER SO THAT WILL IT WILL. KILLED THE LIFE A LITTLE BIT, BUT, UM, THIS INCLUDES A 10 YEAR WARRANTY AND AN ADDITIONAL 10 YEAR EXTENDED WARRANTY. SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE THIS UNDER WARRANTY FOR 20 YEARS. SO JUST AS WE GET THEM PAID FOR YEAH. THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR FINANCING CANISTER EQUAL THE USEFUL LIFE OF YOUR EQUIPMENT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION. THIS IS A GREAT SAVINGS FOR RESIDENTS WHO ALWAYS SAY, WELL, I DIDN'T WATER THAT MUCH OR DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE IT WENT. I KNOW I USE THE CO SERVED TOOL RELIGIOUSLY TO LOOK AT SPIKES AND STUFF. TRY TO FIND FIVE CENTS HERE AND 10 CENTS THERE. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT LAVA RESIDENTS WILL BE ABLE TO USE AND UNDERSTAND THEIR USAGE IS BETTER SO I'M GLAD WE PUT IT IN THE BUDGET. AND THIS ISN'T OUR BUDGET AND NUMBERS HAVE NOT CHANGED. OKAY. OH, WE BUDGETED $2.5 MILLION FOR THIS AND IT CAME UNDER 2 MILLION. WHEN WE FIRST PROPOSED THIS. IT WAS FOUR POINT 6,000,005 YEARS AGO WHEN THE TECHNOLOGY IS BRAND NEW, SO SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS THAT COST OF THE TECHNOLOGY HAS GONE DOWN. I PUT IN AN EXTRA 25% INFLATOR BECAUSE I WAS AFRAID OF HEAVY METAL COSTS AS BRANDON MENTIONED, AND IT DIDN'T GO UP THAT EVEN DONE A LITTLE BIT, SO WE'RE GETTING THIS AT A GOOD PRICE. THANK YOU, SIR. ALRIGHT, I'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE MOTIONS. I HAVE A MOTION FROM MR GANZ AND

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A SECOND FROM MR KICKER. UM I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS SO PLEASE OPEN VOTING. ALL RIGHT. SIX AND 01 ABSENT MOTION PASSES. NO, I JUST DIDN'T WRONG SHEET ORDINANCE FOR

[5.F. Consider Ordinance amending the Code of Ordinances and Appendix "A" "Fee Schedule", providing water and sanitary sewer service fee updates to be effecve October 27, 2023]

A FEE SCHEDULE ON WATER AND SEWER. JOHN HAVE FUN WITH THIS ONE. BECAUSE THE MAYOR IS NOT HERE TODAY. I KNOW. SO NO ONE'S BEEN ANY JOKES ABOUT FALLING ASLEEP, SO IT'S GOOD GOING GOOD SO FAR. UM SO I'M GOING TO DIVE RIGHT IN. ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT WE SAW IN THE BUDGET WAS. WE HAD SOME BIG PRICE DRIVERS THAT WE'RE GOING TO RATCHET UP THE COST FOR UTILITY SERVICES. AND THESE ARE WHOLESALE PRICES. AVERAGE TRINITY WHEN OPPORTUNITY WENT UP 5.8 MILLION, UM, GALLONS OR SUBSCRIPTION TO 8.2 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. THEY THAT'S ROUGHLY AN INCREASE OF 1.4 MILLION, OR 51% AND WATER WHOLESALE COSTS FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR. AND THERE'S A 19% DECREASE IN FORT WORTH, WHICH IS OUR SOUTHERN IN A TOWN MAINLY OR COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS DOWN THERE ON THE SUICIDE. WE SAW A LARGE INCREASE FROM T R A $2.1 MILLION ROUGHLY 60% AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BUILT INTO THESE MODELS IS A 10,000 GALLON SEWER AVERAGE, WHICH IS OPTIONAL AND WE'LL SHOW YOU BOTH RATES. I HIT YOU WITH A LOT OF BIG PERCENTAGES HERE. THE NET IMPACT OF CUSTOMERS ON ALL OF THESE RATES IS ROUGHLY 18 TO 23% SO WE'RE ABLE TO ABSORB A LOT OF THESE COSTS ARE COSTS OF NOT OUR INTERNAL COST OF NOT GONE UP.

THIS MUCH WHOLESALE IS JUST ONE COMPONENT. IT IS A VERY LARGE COMPONENTS IN A BIG PRICE DRIVER. BUT JUST BECAUSE WE GO UP 60% DOES NOT MEAN OUR TOTAL. EVERYTHING WENT UP 60. IT IS JUST OUR WHOLESALE COSTS. AND SO ROUGHLY THAT I QUITE SEE AN 18 TO 23% INCREASE IN THE BILL, DEPENDING ON WHICH SCENARIO JOHN IS NOT A 10% 10,000 GALLON WINNER AVERAGES 10,000 GALLONS CAP 1000. WHERE AVERAGE CAP YES. RIGHT SO, UM, YOU KNOW THAT I DON'T DO THIS LIKE FULL TIME.

I'M THE RIGHT CONSULTING. I HIRE A FIRM BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE BETTER AT THIS THAN I AM WHO SPEND ALL THEIR TIME DOING THIS? UM, WE'RE WORKING WITH MASSIVE MASSIVE DATA SETS, AND SO WE USE A FIRM CALLED NUGENT STRATEGIES AND SOLUTIONS. THEY'VE DONE YOUR RATE STUDY EACH YEAR. THIS IS ONE OF THESE THINGS I RECOMMEND TO ALL OTHER FINANCE PROFESSIONALS IS GETTING RATE STUDIES SPECIALISTS BECAUSE THERE THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT THEY DO. THIS IS THEIR BREAD AND BUTTER AND THEY'RE USUALLY FINANCE PROFESSIONALS. AND SO I'M GOING TO BRING NUGENT UP HERE TO TALK ABOUT THAT THESE RATES WOULD GO IN OCTOBER, 27TH. UM AND SO THE FIRST NEW BUILDING

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CYCLES SO PEOPLE ARE GOING TO START SEEING THESE DETAILED CHANGES AND THEIR OCTOBER WATER BILLS THAT WE IMPLEMENT. THIS IS BECAUSE WE ARE RECEIVING A BILL FOR THESE WHOLESALE INCREASES STARTING IN NOVEMBER. AND SO THIS WILL PUT IT SO THAT WE'RE RECEIVING IN THE REVENUE FOR THAT, AS WE RECEIVED THE BILLS FOR THE WHOLESALE COST INCREASES. ALRIGHT I'M GONNA TURN THIS OVER TO NUGENT STRATEGIES. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR. ALRIGHT WELL, HOWDY AND GOOD EVENING MAYOR PRO TEM, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL MATTHEW GARRETT WITH NUGENT STRATEGIES AND SOLUTIONS. GLAD TO BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU. I WISH IT WASN'T BECAUSE WE HAD MASSIVE CHANGES, BUT WE HAVE AND SO WHAT WE PUT TOGETHER ARE A FEW SCENARIOS. YOU MAY ALREADY BREATHE THROUGH THIS IN YOUR PACKET. BUT AS JOHN MENTIONED, WE HAD SOME SUBSTANTIAL INCREASES. OVERALL THAT LEFT US WITH $2.7 MILLION DEFICIT WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE CURRENT RATE SUFFICIENCY AS IN PLACE TODAY. MEANING WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. AS HE ALLUDED TO. WE HAVE PROPOSED SOME CHANGES. THESE ARE THE RATES THAT YOU HAVE TODAY. I SAY THIS IN MOST MEETINGS I DO LIKE TO SHOW COUNCIL BECAUSE I DON'T LOOK AT MY OWN RATES IN MCKINNEY WHERE I LIVE. UM BUT THIS IS HOW YOUR RATE STRUCTURE IS LAID OUT AND YOU'LL SEE THIS ACROSS MULTIPLE CLASSES. THIS IS WATER RATES. WAY STRONG WASTEWATER RATES NEXT AGAIN ACROSS EACH OF YOUR CURRENT CLASSES. AND THEN WE DIVE INTO SOME SCENARIOS, SO THE FIRST SCENARIO IS REALLY STATUS QUO FOR RIGHT DESIGN, RIGHT? WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. OVERALL RESIDENTS ON AVERAGE WILL HAVE TO PAY MORE BECAUSE OUR BILLS ARE GOING UP FOR UNIT. BUT WE HAVE DIFFERENT WAYS TO GET THERE . SO THE FIRST RATE DESIGN IS REALLY STATUS QUO. 8000 GALLONS, UM, ON THE SEWER AVERAGE FOR NEW ACCOUNTS AND NO CAP ON THE WINTER AVERAGE, AND WE RAISE RATES TO MAKE IT WORK. SCENARIO TWO. WE'VE IMPOSED A 10,000 GALLON CAMPS SO THAT IF YOUR WINNER AVERAGE IS TRULY 12,000, IT WOULD BE BROUGHT DOWN TO 10. IF IT WAS TRULY 23, YOU'D BE BROUGHT DOWN TO 10 AND BUILD THAT WAY FOR THE BALANCE OF THE MONTHS. ADDITIONALLY JOHN CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. I BELIEVE YOU BUILD A LESSER OF THE ACTUAL VOLUMES USE. SO IF I DO HAVE A WINNER AVERAGE OF 10 AND THAT'S MY SET, BUT I ONLY USED 2000 BECAUSE I'M AT DISNEY ALLAH JUNE. THEN I ONLY GET BUILT FOR 2000. SO JUST A POINT OF CLARITY. FOR YOU, UM, SCENARIO THREE VERY SIMILAR, EXCEPT THE INCREASE IS FULLY ABSORBED. THE MINIMUM CHARGE. SO AGAIN, THAT'S YOUR CURRENT RATE STRUCTURE. BUT WE PUT ALL OF THE COST CHANGE IN THE MINIMUM BILL AND SCENARIO FOR MUCH LIKE TO WITH THE CAP OF 10,000 GALLONS, BUT WE HAVE PUT ALL OF THE ADJUSTMENTS IN THE MINIMUM BILL.

ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SCENARIOS. WE KIND OF GO QUICK AFTER THIS. THIS IS THE TOP OF THE ROLLER COASTER QUESTION ABOUT WHEN YOU CAP IT AT THE 10,000 GALLONS. WHAT IS THE COST TO THE OTHERS THAT AREN'T GOING OVER THAT THAT CAP SURE, AND I THINK THE RATES AS WE GET INTO THEM WILL DEMONSTRATE THAT I BELIEVE IT WAS A $3 DELTA. BUT LET ME ADVANCE THROUGH AND THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. GOOD SEGWAY ACTUALLY TO HEAR OR THE WAY YOUR USERS ARE RECORDING WINTER AVERAGES. THIS IS YOUR RESIDENTIAL CLASS. SO THIS IS A WINNER. AVERAGE ANALYSIS. YOU'LL SEE THE COUNTS, UH, TURNED SIDEWAYS THERE AT THE TOP OF EACH BAR. THOSE ARE THE ACTUAL USERS THAT ARE REPORTING TRUE WINTER AVERAGE IN THOSE CATEGORIES, RIGHT AND THOSE ARE IN 1000 GALLON INCREMENTS. SO YOU'LL SEE. WE ONLY HAVE 8% OVER THE 10,000. SO WE ARE CERTAINLY EVEN IF SETTING A 10,000 GALLON CAP HITTING THE MAJORITY OF YOUR RESIDENTIAL USERS. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE. HEARING NONE. SO THE PROPOSED WATER RATES AGAIN THOSE SCENARIOS ARE PRETTY IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER WHAT THEY DO. UM BUT WE ARE MAKING CHANGES . SO WE HAVE THE PROPOSED WATER RATES HERE. YOU'LL SEE A SCENARIO. ONE IS THE STATUS QUO. THERE'S A $3 CHANGE TO THE MINIMUM ABOUT A 10% INCREASE ON THE VOLUMETRIC. AS YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE AN INCLINING BLOCK RATE STRUCTURE. SO WHILE IT'S 10% AND IT'S 40 CENTS ON THAT FIRST YEAR , IT'S 50 CENTS ON THE NEXT AND EFFECTIVELY THERE'S AN INCREASED COST PER UNIT THAT RENT RATCHETS UP SO YOU'LL SEE THE 50 THE 70 CENT. DELTA. ON SCENARIO ONE SO, TOO. IN SCENARIO TWO. WE HAVE MINIMUM CHARGES AT 28 AND THE SAME SCENARIO THREE AND FOUR. THIS IS SO THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT THESE IN ISOLATION. SO SCENARIOS ONE AND TWO. HERE ARE THE SAME SCENARIOS THREE AND FOUR FOR WATER THE SAME UM SO YOU CAN PICK AND CHOOSE. THE SCENARIO AS YOU GO. SO THE MAJOR DIFFERENCE IS INTO OUR WE DID LOOK AT THOSE WINTER AVERAGE CAPS AS JOHN MENTIONED SO SCENARIO ONE AGAIN IS THE STATUS QUO. THAT IS AN $8 DIFFERENTIAL. JUST FROM WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY ON THE MINIMUM CHARGE, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IT

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GOES TO 1960 ON THE VOLUMETRIC RATE. THAT'S FOR ALL VOLUMES, YOU'LL SEE A SLIGHT CARVE OUT ON SCENARIO TWO ON THE 10,000. PLUS BECAUSE WE HAVE A CAP ON OUR RESIDENTS, AND THESE ARE ALL RESIDENTIAL RACE. WE WOULDN'T SHOW ANY CHARGES FOR OVER 10,000 BECAUSE WE'VE KEPT IT AND THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THAT DIFFERENCE IN SCENARIOS TWO AND FOUR. WE'D GO TO 36 AND SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION COUNCIL MEMBER LAWRENCE IT'S APPROXIMATELY $3. IS THE DELTA JUST TO CAP YES, MA'AM. UM . SO AGAIN, SCENARIOS THREE AND FOUR ARE TO RECOVER ALL OF THIS INCREASED COST IN MINIMUM CHARGES. SO THAT DIFFERENCE AGAIN IS $46 ON THE MINIMUM THREE QUARTER INCH CHARGE ON SCENARIO THREE SCENARIO FOUR WHERE WE IMPOSED THE CAP AND PUT ALL OF THE COSTS. IN THE MINIMUM, IT'S 48. THERE'S NOT A WRONG WAY BY THE WAY TO DO THIS, AND WE'LL SHOW YOU WHERE THE OTHER COMPARATIVE CITIES ARE IN JUST A MINUTE RELATIVE TO THE MINIMUM CHARGES. AND IT'S NOT UNCOMMON TO HAVE A CAP. IN THE METROPLEX WHERE YOU SET THAT IS CERTAINLY YOUR DECISION. ALRIGHT SO PROPOSED WATER RATES. THIS IS COMMERCIAL. I DON'T WANT TO BREEZE THROUGH THESE TOO QUICKLY. I KNOW A LOT OF OUR IMPACTS ARE ON THE RESIDENT, BUT YOU'LL SEE THESE IMPACTS ON THE COMMERCIAL. SINCE YOU HAVE IT IN YOUR PACKET. I WON'T READ THE ENTIRE SHEET. SO TWO ON COMMERCIAL SEWER RATES. THERE ARE DIFFERENCES YOU'LL SEE IN THE RATE DESIGN. YOU'LL SEE ABOUT TWO TIMES FACTOR ON THE BASE. AND ABOUT A 15 FACTOR ON THE VOLUMETRIC. ALRIGHT SO PROBABLY TO WHAT YOU WANTED TO SEE. THIS IS ACTUALLY THE BILL IMPACTS FROM THE SCENARIOS ON YOUR AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL USER WITH 10,000 GALLONS OF WATER AND 7000 GALLONS OF WINTER AVERAGE.

SO CURRENTLY THAT TOTAL BILL IS 1 60 TO 40. THAT WOULD MOVE UP TO 1 95 30 UNDER SCENARIO 11 98 30 THAT $3 DIFFERENCE IN SCENARIO TWO DOWN A BIT TO 1, 90 43 AND 1 92 44. SO AS YOU'D IMAGINE, THIS IS YOUR AVERAGE USER AND SO ON EACH SIDE OF THAT NICE BELL CURVE OR THE TAILS AND THIS WILL IMPACT PEOPLE ON THE LOW SIDE AND THE HIGH SIDE DIFFERENTLY. SO HERE ARE THE COMPARISONS OF MINIMUM CHARGES. UM YOU WERE IN THE BOTTOM QUARTILE PREVIOUSLY AND SO YOU'RE MOVING UP TO WITH SCENARIOS ONE AND TWO, A LITTLE HIGHER TO BEING RIGHT IN THE MID POINT. AND THEN THREE AND FOUR, A LITTLE HIGHER THAN THE CURRENT MARKET NORM. 5000 GALLONS. THIS IS A PRETTY COMMON SINCE YOU DO HAVE A RELATIVELY HIGH AVERAGE WATER USER AND RELATIVELY HIGH WHEN YOUR AVERAGE 5000 ARE PRETTY COMMON COMPARISON. THAT'S ALSO WHAT THE TEXT OF MUNICIPAL LEAGUE USES FOR ITS BENCHMARKING . YOU'LL SEE THAT THIS PUTS YOU RIGHT AT THE MIDPOINT ON CURRENT , BUT WHEN YOU USE THAT SAME RATE DESIGN AND GET TO SCENARIO ONE YOU'RE AT 1 32. AND YOU'RE STILL HERE TOWARDS THE TOP OF YOUR COMPARATIVE GROUP. AS INASMUCH AS THE RATES EFFECTIVE ON WEBSITES ARE UP TO DATE. WE KNOW WE'RE RIGHT ON THE CUSP OF A LOT OF RATE CHANGES FISCAL YEARS JUST ENDED OR AND NOW BEGUN CONVENIENTLY, AND SOME PEOPLE ARE PUTTING RATES IN PLACE IN JANUARY, SO WE DON'T HAVE ALL OF THE MARKET INTELLIGENCE FOR FISCAL YEAR 24 YET, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE CAN FIND. AS OF SEPTEMBER. 10,000 GALLONS AGAIN. THIS IS THE AVERAGE CONSUMER IN NORTH LAKE AND THAT CONSUMPTION PATTERN IN MULTIPLE COMMUNITIES. SO HERE AGAIN, YOU SEE SCENARIOS THREE AND FOUR, LITTLE LOWER AS PRESENTED PREVIOUSLY SCENARIOS ONE AND TWO, A LITTLE HIGHER. AND AT 20,000 GALLONS. YOU SEE THAT WE HAVE THE CURRENT AND WHERE OUR RELATIVE POSITION IS. FOR 20,000 GALLONS OF WATER AND 10,000 GALLONS. FOR WASTEWATER.

NOW WHAT WE DON'T HAVE HERE SPECIFICALLY IS SOMEONE THAT HAS A WINTER AVERAGE THAT 8% THAT'S HIGHER. SO THAT IS A REALITY OF THE CAP. SO THERE BILL WOULD FLUCTUATE AND THAT MAY CHANGE BASED ON OTHER COMMUNITY CAMPS. UM BUT I WENT THROUGH THAT VERY QUICKLY FOR SUCH A CHANGE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS OR SLIDE? YOU WANT ME TO REVISIT? IS IT SAFE TO STATE THAT THE FOR LOWEST USERS, PEOPLE REALLY CONSERVE AND THINGS LIKE THAT? THAT THE BASE PRICE IS THEIR BIG RISING BASE PRICE IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST DRIVER. YES SIR. AND NOW YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS THAT ARE, UM, SINCE YOU HAVE A RELATIVELY HIGH AVERAGE, YOU MAY HAVE A DECENT PROPORTION THAT AREN'T USING 1 TO 2000 GALLONS, BUT WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT WHETHER THAT SOCIOECONOMIC WHETHER THAT'S NUMBERS IN THE HOUSEHOLD. IF THAT'S THE ELDERLY OR WIDOWER, THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN THAT RANGE. UM, NOT NECESSARILY. LOW INCOME BECAUSE LOW INCOME COULD HAVE FOUR KIDS

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AND GALLON PER CAPITA PER DAY COULD BE MUCH HIGHER. UM IN THAT GROUP. ONE THING COUNCIL THAT. I KNOW THE MAYOR IS A BIG FAN OF, BUT I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF HIS SUBSIDIZING THE SUPER HEAVY USERS WITH THIS CAMP. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I KNOW THE MAYOR HEAVILY SUPPORTS, AND THAT'S ABSOLUTELY FINE. BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IT. PEOPLE WHO EITHER. CAN'T OR WON'T OR DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CAPPING PROCESS IN THE WINTER. SHOULD BE SUBSIDIZED BY THE REST OF THE WATER USERS, SO THAT'S ONE THING THAT'S REALLY WEIGHING ON ME AND THESE DECISIONS. BUT THIS IS A LOT OF OPTIONS ON A LOT OF THINGS TO TALK ABOUT. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THE SYSTEM BE SELF SUPPORTING. WHAT YOU USE IS WHAT YOU PAY, WHICH IS THE BEST MODEL SCENARIO. 1234 WHAT YOU USE IS WHAT YOU PAY. WHAT REALLY CAPTURES THAT ESSENCE. MATTHEW COULD YOU DO THE ONE WITH THEIR OWN THE SAME PAGE SCENARIOS. THAT THIS ONE, SIR? FINE OKAY, OR WAS THERE ANOTHER WITH THE ACTUAL RATES? YEAH. YEAH. WELL. LET'S STICK WITH STEWART. YES SIR. THAT'S THE BIGGEST SORT OF DECISION POINT HERE. TO INFORM. YES SIR. YOU HAVE 10,000 GALLONS AND THAT AFFECTS ABOUT 8. AS IT STANDS ABOUT 8. THAT NUMBER COULD RISE OR FALL DEPENDING ON USAGE. GO BACK. TO ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. BIG NUMBERS. RIGHT? SO TWO AND FOUR THE CAB ONE. 12 AND 34. UM. INCREASE THE BASE RATE. TO ABSORB THE COST INCREASES. CORRECT. COUNCIL LOOKING FOR YOUR DIRECTION HERE. IT'S A LOT TO DIGEST. JOHN DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION, WHICH ONE WE NEED TO DO? TO BE WHOLE. ALL OF THEM WILL MAKE US WHOLE. ALL OF THESE ARE DESIGNED TO BREAK EVEN SO, IT HAS AN EQUAL COST OF SERVICE. SO ALL OF THIS WILL RECUPERATE OUR COST. UM IF YOU'RE LOOKING, UM SO THE THERE'S ANY WAYS THAT YOU CAN SWING THIS. SO IT IS. THERE'S EVERY WHICH LENS THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT THIS AND THAT'S NOT REALLY A GOOD ANSWER FOR YOU. BUT ONE OF THE BIG ONES IS, YOU KNOW, BY INCREASING THE BASE CHARGE, OR YOU'RE NOT CHARGING AS MUCH FOR PEOPLE USING MORE WATER SO UPFRONT THEY'RE PAYING MORE SO THAT THEY CAN PAY A VOLUME AT A LESS OF A VOLUMETRIC. CORRECT CORRECT, AND SO IF YOU'RE TRYING TO REALLY PUT THAT PRESSURE ON PEOPLE MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT AM I USING TOO MUCH WATER? SHOULD IT COST THEM MORE AT HIGHER RATES THAN YOU WANT TO HIT THE VOLUMETRIC SIDE? SO SCENARIOS ONE AND TO PUT MORE PRESSURE ON THE VOLUMETRIC SIDE, WHEREAS SCENARIOS THREE AND FOUR PUT A LOT MORE PRESSURE ON THE BASE SO THAT HIGH VOLUMETRIC USERS ARE NOT CHARGED AS MUCH. THAT WAS AN EXCELLENT DESCRIPTION. THAT WAS THE INFORMATION I WAS LOOKING FOR. I AGREE WITH YOU, ME AND PRETEND I FEEL LIKE PEOPLE SHOULD BE PAYING FOR WHAT THEY USE. WE'RE LOOKING AT 8% FOR THE PROPOSED CAP, AND I AM LOOKING AT THE REST OF THE PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE USING THE WATER. SO I AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS ONE. REPEAT THAT. LAST STATEMENT, JOHN YES, SIR. SO THE SCENARIO WANTED TO PUT A LOT MORE PRESSURE ON THE BASIS THAT WE RECUPERATE A LOT MORE CASH IN THE BASE, WHICH RELIEVES THE PRESSURE ON THE VOLUMETRIC RATES SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO INCREASE THOSE THE INDIAN. IF SOMEONE USES MORE WATER, THEY'RE GOING TO PAY A MORE IN SCENARIO ONE AND TWO FOR HIGHER RATES THAN THEY WOULD IN SCENARIO THREE AND FOUR. AND SO SCENARIOS THREE AND FOUR DO NOT CHARGE AS MUCH ON A VOLUMETRIC BASIS AS SCENARIO ONE AND TWO. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WATER SPECIFICALLY , YOU LIKE IF YOU WANT TO CHARGE FOR WATER SERVICES, SEWER IS MORE ABOUT LIKE WHOLE COSTS. I THINK THE MAYOR THE REASON WHY HE WANTS A SEWER CAP IS BECAUSE WE HAVE NO ACCURATE WAY OF MEASURING SOMEWHERE. BESIDES THE WINTER AVERAGE, AND SO A SEWER CAP IS REALLY ABOUT SAYING WE REALLY DON'T THINK ANYONE ELSE'S USING 10,000 GALLONS OF SEWER. REASON WHY PEOPLE HAVE HIGH WINTER AVERAGES, USUALLY OR BECAUSE YOU'RE SUING WINTER RYE GRASS OR YOU'RE HAVING A BUNCH OF FAMILY OVER CHRISTMAS. THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT CAN REALLY CUT DOWN ON THEIR USES. THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE THAT CAN'T AND SO THAT YOU'RE RIGHT. THERE'S ONLY 320 USERS THAT ARE GOING TO BE OR 3 80 RIGHT AROUND OF THEIR HERE THAT ARE GOING TO BENEFIT FROM THIS AND IT'S BUT IT'S YOU'RE ASKING YOURSELF. REALLY ARE THEY USING THAT MUCH SEWER AND THE IDEA THAT SOMEONE IS FLUSHING THE TOILET ENOUGH TO GENERATE 10,000 GALLONS? RAW WASTE THAT MAYBE THE QUESTIONS OR ARE WE THAT'S REALLY A COST IDEA OF. ARE YOU PUSHING WATER COSTS OVER ON THE SUICIDE, OR

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VICE VERSA. THE CURVE AGAIN OF THE THAT THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. I DON'T WANT TO THROW A WRENCH IN THE WORKS, BUT I'M GOING TO THROW A WRENCH IN THE WORKS. ABOUT 12,000 GALLON CAP. THAT WOULD PUT IT. WE DO NOT. THAT IS THE WHOLE LIKE ON A PERCENTAGE OF USERS. YEAH LIKE RIGHT NOW YOU'RE 380 ACCOUNTS OUT OF 6000. PLUS ACCOUNTS, SO YOU'RE KNOCKS OFF 100 177, YOU KNOW? YEAH BUT LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT A FAN OF THE CAPTAIN. START WITH I WAS JUST LIKE THAT I STARTED BRINGING UP WHILE AGO. WE CAN SET THE CAP IT WOULD EVER YOU WANT TO. BUT THESE PRICING THINGS. THE $3 DOLLARS IS WHAT WE'VE BUILT INTO THE MODEL. AND SO IF YOU GUYS DO A DIFFERENT CAP IN THERE, WE'RE STILL GOING TO PRICE THIS MODEL THE SAME WAY. I LIKE SCENARIO TO FOR SOME REASON THAT HAS THE CAP IN IT. AND YOU CAN SET A CAP AT 12,000. IT'S JUST KNOW THAT WE'RE WE MAKE NATURAL ADDITIONAL SEWER REVENUE. SO I THINK I'M KIND OF STARTING IN SCENARIO, ONE WITH NO CAP. AND KEEPING THE BASE CHARGES NOW BUT YOU, YOU YOU PAY FOR WHAT YOU USE. THAT'S WHY I'M GETTING OUT SCENARIO. ONE IS THAT FAIR ASSESSMENT THAT SCENARIO ONE IS THE CLOSEST TO YOU PAY WHAT YOU USE FOR EVERYBODY. IT SENDS DIRECT PRICE SIGNALS. THE MORE YOU USE, THE MORE YOU'LL PAY. IT'S MORE ABOUT LIKE PRICING STRATEGY, THEN YEAH , OKAY. YOU CONVINCED ME SCENARIO. THREE YEAH, I WAS JUST COMMENTING THAT SCENARIO THREE KIND OF ACCOMPLISHES THE SAME END MAYOR PRO TEM. THE ONLY THING YOU GET IS A LITTLE BIT MORE IN YOUR FIXED REVENUE RIGHT NOW. YOU HAVE ABOUT 40% OF YOUR REVENUE ON WASTEWATER COMING FROM THE FIXED COMPONENT. MOST OF YOUR COSTS ARE FIXED AND UTILITY SYSTEM, SO THAT'S NOT TOO HIGH AT ALL. ACTUALLY, IT'S LESS MUCH LESS THAN EUR 80 TO 90% FIXED COST. UM SO THE BIG DELTA THE SWING, THERE IS THE MINIMUM CHARGE, BUT BOTH ACHIEVE YOU PAY FOR WHAT YOU USE SO. DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW WHERE SCENARIO ONE SCENARIO THREE CROSS 30,000 WHERE? WHERE DO THEY CROSS? ONE IN THREE. YEAH SO IF WE WERE GOING TO TARGET LIKE A $38 MINIMUM THAN I COULD EFFECTIVELY SEEK THE VOLUMETRIC GREAT TO GET US THERE, SO THERE ARE JUST A UNIVERSE OF OPTIONS BETWEEN THOSE TWO POINTS AND THIS IS A SEESAW BIT. I NEED SOME BALANCING ACT. AND SO IF YOU THINK THE RIGHT FIGURE AND AGAINST SUBJECTS, I THINK, ARE YOU ASKING WHAT USAGE WITH THOSE WON IN THREE CROSS? YES. MAYBE YOU COULD FLASH THROUGH YOUR GRAPHS AND EXTRAPOLATED. WE CAN PROBABLY YOU'RE CHANNELING THE MAYOR. VERY WELL. MAYOR PRO TEM. I'M SORRY I USED TRAINED ME. WELL I GUESS ARE WE LOOKING FOR A BREAK EVEN RELATIVE TO THE CONSUMPTION WHERE THOSE PAY THE SAME YEAH, OKAY. I DON'T HAVE THAT HANDY, BUT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO EXTRACT IT FROM THE OTHER CHARTS WITH THE WHERE WE TEAR OUT. OKAY? I'M NOT SURE COMPARATIVES GO THE CITY COMPARATIVES FAIR ENOUGH. THERE WE GO. SO FOR 5000 GALLONS SCENARIO, ONE IN THREE ARE $3.50 DIFFERENCE. SCENARIO IS ONE IN THREE HERE. 10,000 GALLONS. OKAY, SO SCENARIO THREE STARTS. GIVING AN ADVANTAGE TO 10,000 PLUS AM I READING THAT RIGHT BETWEEN THESE TWO, RIGHT? YEAH, TEND BECAUSE THEY SWITCHED POSITIONS. YEAH. AND THEY'RE A LOT CLOSER THAN THE FIVE. SO I GUESS IT'S IN THE 6 TO 7 RANGE.

DOES THAT HELP ANY OF YOU MAKE A DECISION? IT'S A NICE DATA POINT, BUT.

ARE. ARE WE DOWN TO BETWEEN ONE ARE WE FIND WITH DO WE WANT TO KEEP THE CAP OR NOT? THAT WILL FILTERS DOWN TO TWO SCENARIOS. GET CONSENSUS ON AT LEAST THAT. AGREED. OKAY. NO CAP. OKAY, SO WE'RE DOWN SCENARIOS ONE AND THREE. WE'RE GETTING THERE DREW. ALRIGHT, SO NOW DO WE WANT TO PUSH THE BASE RATE HIGHER ON EVERYBODY OR PUSH THAT MORE TOWARDS CONSUMPTION. AM I STATING THAT RIGHT, JOHN? OKAY. WOULD IT MAKE SENSE? IF WE GO NOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO CAP TO INCREASE THE BASE RATE. TO GO WITH SCENARIO THREE VERSUS AREA ONE. WELL I KNOW JOHN LIKES THE BASE RATE BECAUSE THAT HELPS HIM IN THE WINTER, SO THE BASE RATE IT INCREASES CASH FLOW. SO BY

[02:10:05]

HAVING A HIGHER BASE RATE, WE HAVE MORE CASH RESERVES ON HAND. AND SO WE'RE NOT WAITING. YOU KNOW, FOR THE LAST THREE MONTHS OF THE YEAR TO GET THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR CASH RESERVES, BUT AT THE SAME TIME TIME THAT ALSO BIT. IT CREATES LIKE THE MAYOR WOULD BASICALLY ARGUE THAT IT CREATES VOLATILITY LIKE SO BY ALLOWING HIGHER VOLUMETRIC RATES. SO SCENARIO ONE BY DOING THAT YOU HAVE HIGHER, BIGGER, EXPANDED BILLS. BY DOING IN SCENARIO THREE. YOU HAVE LESS VOLATILE BILLS BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT CHARGING AS MUCH ON THE VOLUMETRIC SIDE, SO IT'S REALLY YOUR NORMALIZING BILLS ACROSS THE YEAR. SO INSTEAD OF HAVING BIGGER EXPLOSIVE BILLS IN THE SUMMERTIME BY HAVING EXPERIENCE RIGHT HERE IN MY OPPOSITE SO SCENARIO. 03 WILL GIVE YOU MORE STABLE NORMALIZED BILLS BECAUSE BASICALLY, IT CUTS DOWN THE VOLUMETRIC COST US. WHEREAS SCENARIO ONE. IT REALLY DOES SEND THE PRICE INDICATORS THAT HEY, DURING SUMMER. WHEN YOU'RE USING ALL OF THIS, YOU'RE PAYING A LOT MORE. AND SO THAT'S WHEN THE BILLS CAN GET BIGGER DURING THAT TIME, SO WE WERE IN A DROUGHT SITUATION AND PEOPLE REALLY USING A LOT OF WATER.

COULD WE GET BEHIND ON THE BILLS BY HAVING BY HAVING SCENARIO THREE. NO. NO, OKAY. SO WE EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A LOWER VOLUME, VOLUMETRIC WE HAVE A HIGHER VOLUME VOLUMETRIC LOWER IN SCENARIO THREE. RIGHT. SO IF THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF USAGE, WOULD WE STILL BE ABLE TO COVER BECAUSE WE'RE NOT HAVING AS MUCH WE'RE NOT CHARGING SCENARIO YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT. SO IT'S DURING THE YEARS WE HAVE. IF WE HAVE A WET SUMMER, THAT'S THAT'S THE WORST THING FOR WATER SYSTEM. SO WHAT WE NEED A BANK AGAINST IS A WET SUMMER. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE RESERVES. AND SO IF WE HAVE A WET SUMMER AND NO ONE'S USING THEIR SPRINKLERS DURING THE SUMMERTIME WE'RE NOT GENERATING ENOUGH REVENUE TO SUSTAIN THE SYSTEM. IN THAT MODEL. A HIGHER BASE RATE WOULD BE THE MORE EFFECTIVE PRICING THING BECAUSE WE'VE COLLECTED MONEY THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AND WE'D HAVE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER IN RESERVES. AT THAT TIME. IT'S STILL GOING TO GENERATE THE SAME AMOUNT IF WE HAVE LIKE COMPARING THE TWO YEARS, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE CASH ON HAND FOR THAT AT TIME. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CASH FLOW IDEA. SO HIGHER BASE RATES. IT'S GOOD ON ONE HAND ON THE OTHER. IT DOES NOT SEND NEARLY THE STRONG PRICING SIGNALS DURING THE SUMMER. YOU'RE USING TOO MUCH WATER OR YOUR WATER. YOU'RE GOING TO PAY MORE FOR THE WATER, SO IT'S YOU'RE GIVING ONE UP FOR THE OTHER. SO IF YOUR PRIMARY GOAL IS TO SEND REALLY STRONG PRICE SIGNALS SCENARIO ONE. IF YOUR GOAL IS TO BASICALLY LESSON THOSE PRICE SIGNALS BUT HAVE MORE LIKE CONSTANT REVENUE STREAM SCENARIO. THREE LAST TIME WE HAD A REALLY WET SUMMER.

THAT'S WHEN WE INCREASED RATES THE FIRST TIME IN 10 YEARS COUPLE COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WE HAD WE HAD A REALLY WHAT WE WERE . WE WERE A MONTH AWAY FROM INSOLVENCY AND OUR UTILITY. SO IT WAS. THAT'S WHEN WE FIXED EVERYTHING. AND SO THAT'S THAT'S WHY WE DO THIS EVERY YEAR NOW.

ALRIGHT START RAISING PICK A SCENARIO CALLED FOR RAZOR HAND. SOMEBODY PICK A SCENARIO. I KIND OF LIKE THE EVEN BUT THAT'S JUST ME. ACROSS THE BOARD. WHAT'S THAT SCENARIO? ONE OR THREE? I'M LEANING MORE TOWARDS THREE FROM TOWARDS THREE. OKAY, SO THAT'S THE ONE WHERE WE PUT A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO THE ACCOUNT EVERY EVERY MONTH, AND WE DON'T STRESS THE PRICING QUITE AS MUCH BASED ON VOLUME. I AGREE WITH THAT, UH SCENARIO THREE SEEMS TO BE THE BEST FOR EVERYONE IN THE TOWN. I WOULDN'T WANT PEOPLE. TO WASTEWATER DRIVE SOMETHING. I THINK ONE IS CLOSER TO DO IT.

YEAH. MR GANZ. ANY OPINION? I AGREE WITH THAT? NO. ONE THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST TOO STUBBORN TO CONSERVE AND WE HAVE DROUGHT SITUATION AND THEY'RE RUNNING WATER ALL THE TIME. THAT MIGHT HELP. CONSERVATION. I'M VERY MUCH AGREE WITH DR SESSIONS AND MR GANZ. MY ONLY FEAR. IS THAT WHAT SUMMER AND I WISH I COULD PREDICT ONE BECAUSE GOD KNOWS WE NEED SOME RAIN HERE.

BUT THE BANKING IS I DON'T LIKE THE BANKING FROM A BUILD PERSPECTIVE FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

FROM A FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE PORTION OF TOWN THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. SO I'M REALLY TORN BETWEEN THE TWO. SO RIGHT NOW, IF WE HAVE A VOTE RIGHT NOW, IT'S A NO. SO WE OBVIOUSLY NEED A LITTLE MORE DISCUSSION. TO GET TO SOMEWHERE WHERE WE CAN PASS A MODERATE. WE CAN STILL DO IT BY DECEMBER. WE WOULD, WE WOULD RUN OUR RESERVES DOWN A LITTLE BIT. YEP SO WE WOULD START GETTING THOSE HIGHER WHOLESALE COSTS BILLS. LET'S WE'RE GONNA START SEEING THAT NEXT MONTH. SO TONIGHT. YES, SIR. ALRIGHT WHO'S GONNA BUDGE? THEY'RE CHARGING US ALREADY. SO WE NEED TO. WE

[02:15:07]

NEEDED YEAH. NO THEY'RE NOT GIVING US A BREAK, OKAY? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL TRY TO MANAGE THE GROUP AS GOOD AS WE CAN. HERE, UM SO SOMEBODY THROW A MOTION PERSON. WE MIGHT HAVE TO DO THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES. MOTION THAT WE CHOOSE FOR ONE. SCENARIO ONE. ALRIGHT, SO I'M GONNA GIVE YOU ONE FOR MORE OPTIONS. WE'LL TAKE A PAUSE THERE. YOU CAN BLEND THE WATER VERSUS SEWER. SO IF YOU WANT TO SEND REALLY STRONG PRICE SIGNALS ON WATER, YOU CAN DO SCENARIO ONE. IF YOU WANT TO SEND REALLY STRONG. YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO DO MORE BALANCED BILLS ON SEWER, YOU CAN DO SCENARIO THREE SCENARIO ONE WATER SCENARIO THREE SEWER? YES. MAYBE GET THE MATH ALL STILL STILL SEPARATE. ANOTHER SEPARATE. YEAH A INDEPENDENT, INDEPENDENT, SURPRISING SYSTEMS.

[5.F. VOTE]

MHM MOTION. YES, SIR. MOTION THAT WE USE SCENARIO WONDERFUL WATER. SCENARIO THREE POINT SEWER. I'LL KEEP MY SECOND ON THAT. OKAY. GOOD AMENDMENT. LET'S TAKE A VOTE ON THAT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. WOW THAT'S A SURPRISE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I GUESS WE HAVE SCENARIO ONE AND SCENARIO THREE RUN. GOOD JOB COUNCIL. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT LET'S HEAR. HOW WAS THE MAYOR SAY THIS

[5.G. Consider an Ordinance of the Town of Northlake, Texas, to adjust the speed limit to 55 mph on SH 114 in the Town limits]

ITEM NUMBER G, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER G. ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'VE HAD A LOT OF COMMENTS ON THIS. THIS WAS A REQUEST OF THE CITY OF JUSTIN AND THE CITY OF FORT WORTH. FOR SOME REASON, IT COVERED JUST A LITTLE SMALL PORTION OF NORTH LAKE. SO THE STUDY AREA IS THE EAST. FRIEND OF ROAD 35 W WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 1 14 SPEED LIMIT. IT'S CURRENTLY 60 WANT TO GO DOWN TO 55. THE STUDY AREA WAS THE EAST FRONTAGE ROAD. OF 35 W ALL THE WAY TO THE WISE COUNTY LINE. TO LOWER IT DOWN TO 55 OR MAYBE THROUGH YEAH, TO THE COUNTY LINE. AND IT CLIPPED. BUT NORTH LAKE OF THIS STUDY AREA NORTH LAKE HAS BETWEEN THE FRONT OF THE ROADS. EAST OF THIS STUDY EAST OF THE EAST 35. W FRONTAGE ROAD IS 60. NOW THAT'S ALL UNDER CONSTRUCTION. AND UM. WE HAVE YOU HAVE. A CHOICE TO ACCEPT THE REDUCTION FROM 60 TO 55 JUST BETWEEN THE FRONTAGE ROADS.

EVERYTHING EASTWOOD STAY 60. AND EVERYTHING WEST OF THE FRONTAGE ROAD WOULD GO DOWN TO 55. I ASSUME BECAUSE JUSTIN AND FORT WORTH REQUESTED IT. AND SO WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS LITTLE SPOT IN BETWEEN BETWEEN THE LIGHTS SO IT'S AND IF YOU. CHOOSE NOT TO ACCEPT IT. THERE'S A THERE'S AN AUDIT PROCEDURE THAT WILL GO THROUGH AND THAT'S FINE. SO WE'LL BE GLAD TO DO THAT. WITH TECH START, SO THIS WAS KIND OF FOISTED UPON US AND TRULY IT'S JUST REALLY THIS LITTLE THIS LITTLE SEGMENT SO HAVE THEY EVER COME TO US FOR THE AUDIT PROCESS ON 407 YET? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. SO FOR THE COUNSELORS THAT WEREN'T HERE SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THEY ASKED US TO REDUCE THE SPEED ON 407. WE DENIED IT. I THINK UNANIMOUSLY AS A COUNCIL AND STAFF WAS TAKEN ABACK A BIT AND SAID OH TECH STARTS GOING TO COME AFTER US WELL IN TWO YEARS AND SET OF WORDS SO, BUT UM, OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS REQUEST OF OTHER TOWNS FOR OUTSIDE OF OUR PERFUME EFFECTS ABOUT 150 LINEAR FEET OF ROAD. AND IF I CARRY THE WAY AT THAT POINT, IN MY OPINION GOING 68 55. I DON'T SEE THAT BEING A BIG BIG ENOUGH DIFFERENCE TO MAKE IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE? YOU MEAN WHEN THEY'RE GOING 70 ALREADY? YEAH I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA SLOW DOWN. I DON'T SEE THE NEED TO CHANGE IT. ON THIS ONE. I IF WE BEING A MUCH BIGGER HIGHWAY THAN 407 CHANCES, TECH TALK COMING TO STAFF OR SOME SORT OF REASONING HERE IS PROBABLY MUCH BIGGER THAN THEY CARED ABOUT HIM FOR 1/7. THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I WOULD PROBABLY CONSIDER JUST PASSING IT THROUGH. BUT PEOPLE ARE TOO SLOW DOWN THERE BECAUSE THE GUY IN FRONT OF YOU MAY STOP. SO THEY SHOULDN'T BE GOING THROUGH THERE AS FAST AS THEY ARE. I MOVED OUT HERE SO MANY YEARS AGO THAT THERE WAS NO STOP SIGN THERE ON ANY ROAD. NO NOTHING AND PEOPLE WENT FLYING THROUGH THERE AT 70,

[02:20:01]

BUT NOBODY HAD RIGS. NOW THEY'RE FLYING THROUGH THERE AT 70, OR 75 AND REAR ENDED SOMEBODY BECAUSE THERE'S SOMEBODY ELSE STOPPED FOR THE RED LIGHT. AND THEN YOU REAR END THEM. AND YES, I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN. I'M SORRY. YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION IF YOU'D LIKE. I'M MAKING IT, UH. MOTION

[5.G. VOTE]

THAT WE ADJUST TO SPEED LIMIT TO 55. THANK YOU, DOCTOR SESSIONS. MANY SECONDS ON THIS. WE KNOW WHO'S SPEEDERS ARE IN HERE, DON'T YOU? ALRIGHT MISS LAWRENCE HAS THE SECOND IF YOU OPEN THE VOTING THERE. AND WHAT REALLY TROUBLES ME AS WEST OF NORTHWEST HIGH SCHOOL. YOU GOTTA GO 55 MILES AN HOUR, RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE. SO A TIE IS A AS A NO. SO THIS FINAL, OKAY? ALRIGHT WAIT FOR TECH STOCK COMING KNOCKING, OKAY? TELL ME WHEN THEY DO BECAUSE I'LL BE INTERESTED TO HEAR. ALL RIGHT. AND FINALLY, ITEM NUMBER H. YES, SIR. SO WE'VE ENGAGED

[5.H. Consider a Resoluon of the Town of Northlake, Texas, approving and authorizing the Town Manager to execute an agreement for addional services with Halff Associates, Inc. for an alternave Town Center concept]

HALF ASSOCIATES TO HELP US WITH OUR UPDATE OUR COMP PLAN. WE UM WE ASKED FOR TWO ADDITIONAL COMPONENTS, A TOWN CENTER CONCEPT PLAN AND AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON BOTH OF THOSE IN THE STEERING COMMITTEE PROCESS. THEY ASKED THAT WE LOOK AT AN ALTERNATE. TOWN CENTER CONCEPT AND LOCATION. AND IN ORDER TO DO THIS, UM, THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL COST TO THE. TO THE PROJECT. UM OPTION ONE WOULD BE TO DO JUST AN ALTERNATIVE TOWN CENTER ANALYSIS. OPTION TWO WOULD BE TO DO THE ANALYSIS AS WELL AS A ECONOMIC IMPACT SPECIFICALLY TO BOTH THOSE TOWN CENTERS. UM THERE WAS. SOME SOME CONFUSION AT SOME OF THE STEERING COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND FELT THAT A ALTERNATE TOWN CENTER LOCATION WAS NOT GIVING GIVEN ENOUGH ATTENTION. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE BACK WITH THIS AND THE STEERING COMMITTEE. UM OH, OH, OVERWHELMINGLY UNANIMOUSLY ASKED THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER LOOKING AT AN ALTERNATE TOWN CENTER LOCATION. THANK YOU DREW. I HAVE CONTACTED HALF ENGINEERING. UM AS INTERIM MAYOR HERE TO RENEGOTIATE THE PRICE FOR OPTION ONE. THEY HAVE AGREED TO CUT THAT IN HALF. 2 11 8 75. IF WE CHOOSE TO GRANT THIS IF WE DON'T GRANT ANY OPTIONS HERE, THIS STUDY WILL BE COMPLETED, AS IS WITHOUT THE ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS TOWARDS THAT. ALTERNATE TOWN CENTER, WHICH I FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, I BELIEVE IS A GOOD STUDY TO PARTICIPATE IN UM, HOWEVER, IT IS A BUDGET ITEM THAT IT WAS NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL BUDGET OR PART OF THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, BUT I WAS ABLE TO NEGOTIATE THAT DOWN TO 11 8 75. COMMENTS. I DO. I DO HAVE A QUESTION JUST MORE MORE FOR THE PUBLIC. IF WE, UM, SAY ANOTHER OPTION OF NOT DOING THE ALTERNATIVE TOWN CENTER ANALYSIS. WHEN WILL WE REVISIT THIS AGAIN? WHENEVER YOU WOULD LIKE WE COULD. WE COULD, UM TAKE IT, AS IS YEAR. TWO YEARS. UH, WE COULD WE COULD DO A BUDGET AMENDMENT AND WE COULD AS AS SOON AS YOU LIKE. THE ALTERNATE TOWN CENTER IS AT. FUTURE 11 71 AND FUTURE FLORENCE ROAD. THE CURRENT TOWN CENTER IS THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF 11, 71 AND 35. W. UM WE COULD. IT'S YOUR IT'S YOUR PROCESS WE EVEN HAVE. WE HAVEN'T EVEN BROUGHT THE FULL COMPLAIN TO YOU. YOU COULD YOU COULD TAKE THE TOWN CENTER OUT OF THE FINAL PRODUCT. WE COULD REVISIT IT. YOU COULD LEAVE IT AS IS WE CAN REVISIT IT. YOU COULD ADD THIS ALTERNATE LOCATION AND IT MADE IT ONLY

[02:25:03]

DELAY US. I THINK A COUPLE OF MONTHS TO KIND OF RUN THAT BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS SO IT IS TOTALLY UP TO COUNSEL ON HOW YOU WANT TO PROCEED WITH THIS. I JUST I JUST FEEL BECAUSE IT IS SO CONCEPTUAL THAT BECAUSE I'M ON THE COMMITTEE, I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE THE ELEMENTS NEEDED FOR OUR TOWN CENTER AND THEN LOCATION WILL BE UP IN THE AIR AND I ALSO FEEL LIKE MAYBE DISCUSSION IS NEEDED WITH YES. D AND POLICE SERVICES TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THE BEST LOCATION. SO INSTEAD OF BEING STUCK TO A LOCATION, IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN JUST HOLD ONTO THE PLANS THAT WE HAVE AND COME BACK TO IT IS THAT SO, UM. HMM MOVE FORWARD, AS IS BUT REVISITED IN A YEAR OR TWO OR TAKE THE TOWN CENTER COMPONENT OUT OF THE COM PLAN. WE REALLY ALREADY PAID FOR IT. ALL THE ALL THE WORK HAS BEEN DONE FOR THE TOWN CENTER. AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF 11 71 35 W SO IT'S ALREADY KIND OF THERE. UM OR RIGHT? REPEAT YOUR QUESTION. I'M SORRY. I THINK YOU ANSWERED THAT. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF WE DON'T CONTINUE WITH THIS WAY. WHAT HAPPENS FROM THIS POINT ON AND THE OTHER COUNSELORS. I THINK OUR SINCE OUR STEERING COMMITTEE I KNOW THEY PUT A LOT OF TIME INTO THIS. I'M OKAY IF THEY RECOMMENDED REALLY RECOMMEND EVALUATING AN ALTERNATIVE CONCEPT LOCATION. I'M FINE WITH THAT. ALL RIGHT. I WILL MAKE A

[5.H. VOTE]

MOTION TO ACCEPT OPTION 1 11 8 $11,875. I HAVE A SECOND FIRM, MR GANZ. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, OR SHOULD WE OPEN VOTING? CAST YOUR VOTES. AND SIX. NOTHING UNANIMOUS, WITH ONE ABSENT. DREW CONTINUE ON WITH THAT STUDY AT THE NEGOTIATED RATE. THANK YOU. YOU WITH THAT, UH, DO WE HAVE

[6. EXECUTIVE SESSION]

ANY POTENTIAL ACTIONS OF EXECUTIVE SESSION THIS EVENING? NO SIR. AND IT'S 55171 AND 551.072 PURSUANT TO SECTION 551071 AND 55172. UNDER GENERAL CONSENT TO COUNCIL WAS CONVENED THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. WE HAVE NO PENDING ACTIONS PLANNED FOR THIS EVENING AFTER THAT, SO IF YOU WISH TO DEPART, THANK YOU FOR COMING IF YOU WISH TO STICK AROUND WHO KNOWS WHEN WE'LL BE OUT. BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENDANCE TONIGHT. AND YOUR COMMENTS APPRECIATE YOU COMING BY. 2.5 IN ALRIGHT IT IS 8 25 COUNCILS RECONVENED FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION WITH NO ACTION TO TAKE BY GENERAL CONSENT. WE WILL ADJOURN THE MEETING. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

Oct 12, 2023 Town Council

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