5.A. Consider a Resolution of the Town of Northlake, Texas, approving an appeal of the applicability and value of roadway impact fees to be assessed for a Church proposed at 7896 Evelyn Lane

[5.A. Consider a Resolution of the Town of Northlake, Texas, approving an appeal of the applicability and value of roadway impact fees to be assessed for a Church proposed at 7896 Evelyn Lane]

A. SO CONSIDER RESOLUTION IN TOWN IN NORTH LAKE, APPROVING AN APPEAL THE APPLICABILITY AND VALUE OF ROADWAY IMPACT FEES TO BE ASSESSED FOR CHURCH PROPOSED AT 7896 EVELYN LANE, SO I WILL TAKE ALL OF YOU THAT WANTED TO SPEAK ON THIS, BUT LET'S UM, BUT SINCE I'VE GOT STEVE, ARE YOU SPEAKING WITH PASTOR SECOND TEAM ? OKAY SO I WILL ASK YOU ALL GOOD KIND OF DESCRIBE THE PROCESS AND THEN THE APPLICANT CAN MAKE THEIR PITCH, AND THEN I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WANT TO DO THE PUBLIC MEETING BEFORE AGAINST, OR SWITCHING BACK AND FORTH, SO I WILL TAKE IN ORDER THE COMMENT CARDS I GOT AFTER WE HEAR FROM NATHAN AND THEN WE'LL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANTS AND THEN WE WILL TAKE ALL THE RESIDENTS ACTIVITY AND THEN THE COUNCIL DISCUSS SO BEFORE WE CAN PEPPER THEM WITH QUESTIONS WHILE THEY'RE UP HERE. BUT LET'S RESERVE OUR COMMENTS UNTIL WE HEAR FROM THE RESIDENTS THAT WORK FOR ALL OF YOU. VERY GOOD. NATHAN PLEASE. THANK YOU, MAYOR, UM THE GROVE LUTHERAN CHURCH IS INTERESTED IN PURCHASING PROPERTY IN NORTH LAKE TO BUILD A CHURCH FACILITY. IT FALLS WITHIN ZONE ONE, THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT FOR ROADWAY IMPACT FEES. AH! THEY THE CHURCH REQUESTED AN ESTIMATE OF SOME FEES, INCLUDING ROADWAY IMPACT FEES AND OR INFORMED THAT BASED ON COMMERCIAL USE CATEGORY ARE IMPACT FEES ARE VERY BROAD USES.

AND THAT WAS REALLY THE CLOSEST THAT FELL INTO THAT FOR THEIR PROPOSED ULTIMATE 11,000 JUST OVER 11,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. THE ROAD I IMPACT FEE ESTIMATE WOULD BE NEARLY $600,000. SO THERE'S NO SPECIFIC CATEGORY CHURCHES. LIKE I SAID IT FALLS WITHIN THAT COMMERCIAL SO UH HUH. THEY APPEALED THAT DETERMINATION BASED UPON OUR ROADWAY IMPACT FEE ORDINANCE PROVIDES FOR APPEALS. AND THEY ARE APPEALING BASED ON THE APPLICABILITY OF THE IMPACT FEE TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE VALUE OF THE IMPACT FEE DO. UM THERE'S A REQUIREMENT THAT HAVE PROFESSIONAL ASSESSMENT BE COMPLETED WHEN THEY MAKE THIS APPEAL THAT HAS BEEN DONE BY STEVE STONER WITH WESTWOOD PROFESSIONAL SERVICES WHO WAS HERE A LITTLE PRESENT THAT TO YOU? AH BUT IN SUMMARY BASED OFF OF SHIP TRIP GENERATION NUMBERS FOR CHURCHES UM, THEY'RE REQUESTING AN IMPACT FEE THAT WOULD BE CLOSER TO THE 85,000 FOR THEIR PROPOSED FACILITY. BUT I WILL TURN IT OVER TO THEM TO GO OVER THERE. UM THEIR ASSESSMENT AND THEIR REQUESTS FOR THE APPEAL. MR SOONER, PASTOR CHECK. ONE OR BOTH OF YOU CAN GO AHEAD. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL STEVE STONER FROM WESTWOOD PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.

PASTOR SCHECK WILL SPEAK AFTER AFTER I DO SO I AM A TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND MY SERVICES WERE RETAINED BY THE CHURCH TO DO A STUDY TO EVALUATE THE APPEAL THAT THEY FILED FOR THE ROADWAY IMPACT FEES. AND AS WAS ALREADY MENTIONED, YOU SEE THE ADDRESS AND THE USE AS A CHURCH, 11,000 SQUARE FEET AND CHANGE. AND THE STAFF RATE WAS CALCULATED FROM THE FIVE LAND USE CATEGORIES

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THAT ARE SPELLED OUT IN THE CODE. THEY. CALCULATED THE RATE BASED ON THE COMMERCIAL LAND USE. UM AND SO WHAT? WHAT I DID IN MY STUDY WAS LOOK AT THE RATES. THESE FIVE RATES THAT YOU SEE HERE. THOSE ARE BASED ON ONE OF THREE THINGS. UH OR A COMBINATION OF THREE THINGS AND AVERAGE TRIP LENGTH FOR ZONE ONE. LIKE COST PER MILE IN ZONE, ONE THAT IS CALCULATED BASED ON WHAT THE IMPROVEMENTS WOULD WOULD NEED TO BE. AND THEN THE THIRD IS A PM PEAK HOUR TRIP RATE. THAT TRIP RATE IS WHAT I, UH ZERO D N ON SO I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENT ON THE AVERAGE TRIP LENGTH OR THE COST PER MILE. THOSE ARE STANDARD FOR ALL OF ZONE ONE. BUT THE PM TRIP RATE COMES FROM THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS TRIP GENERATION MANUAL, AND THAT'S SOMETHING I USE A LOT FOR TRAFFIC STUDIES. UM AND THE COMMERCIAL LAND USE IS BASED ON T S LAND USE FOR SHOPPING CENTER. SO WHAT WE DID IS COMPARE WHAT THE TRIP RATE. THE PM PEAK HOUR TRIP RATE IS FOR SHOPPING CENTER COMPARED TO WHAT I T S THEIR TRIP RATE FOR CHURCH . AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S UH IT'S ALMOST SEVEN TIMES DIFFERENT FOR THOSE TWO USES. IF YOU COMPARE 1 TO 1 IN TERMS OF SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE USE. SO IF YOU SUBSTITUTE THE TRIP RATE FOR CHURCH INTO THE EQUATION THAT IS USED TO CALCULATE THOSE FIVE RATES THAT WE SAW EARLIER. YOU CAN SEE THE RATE UH, FOR WHAT THE COMMERCIAL USE RATE GIVES YOU AND WHAT THE CHURCH RATE WOULD GIVE YOU IF THAT WERE A LAND USE. SO THAT WAS THE UM, TECHNICAL INFORMATION WHEN THE OFFER FOR THE APPEAL. PASTOR CHECK. DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK? I'LL TAKE YOU NEXT, AND THEN EVERYONE ELSE ON THE LIST. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, COUNSEL. UH THANK YOU, STEVE FOR SHARING THAT INFORMATION. I JUST WANTED TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM KIND OF WHAT BROUGHT US TO THIS THIS POINT ON THE PASTOR AT THE GROVE CHURCH HAVE BEEN THERE SINCE JANUARY OF 2021. IT IS A CHURCH PLANT FROM THREE OTHER CHURCHES AROUND THE AREA, HOPING TO GO OUT INTO PLACES WHERE PEOPLE ARE MOVING WHERE GROWTH IS HAPPENING SO THAT WE CAN SERVE THE COMMUNITY NOT JUST BE IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT BEFORE THE COMMUNITY AS WELL, UH, AFTER LOOKING FOR NEARLY THREE YEARS, AND ACTUALLY, EVEN BEFORE I CAME ON, THEY WERE LOOKING FOR PLACES. WE LANDED ON THIS THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION NEAR FLORENCE AND ROBES AND RANCH ROAD. UM A GOOD COMBINATION OF FOLKS THAT ALREADY ESTABLISHED BUT A LOT OF EXTRA GROWTH HAPPENING THERE. THE LAND WAS APPEALING. BECAUSE IT ANSWERS A LOT OF THE NEEDS THAT I'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITIES AND THE AND THE MEMBERS. MAYORS OF SURROUNDING TOWNS OF NEEDING OPEN SPACE FOR COMMUNITY AND ALSO NEEDING SOME MEETING SPACE AND EVENT SPACE FOR PEOPLE TO MEET AND TO GATHER. UM BECAUSE WE ARE A CHURCH PLANT. WE WANT TO BE ABOUT CHURCH PLANTING. AND SO I KNOW SOME FOLKS HERE MIGHT BE A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW BIG A CHURCH IS GOING TO BE HOW MUCH STRESS IT'S GOING TO PUT ON THEM AND THE TRAFFIC AND THINGS BUT WE ARE FOCUS IS REALLY TO BUILD UP A CORE COMMUNITY OF A COUPLE 100 PEOPLE. AND THEN BE ABOUT CHURCH PLANTING AND GOING OUT INTO OTHER AREAS AND SERVING AREAS IN THAT WAY MANY OF OUR FOLKS RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT HOME IN LIFE GROUPS AND CARING FOR THEIR FAMILIES, AND THAT'S WHERE WE WANT THEM TO BE IS SPENDING THAT TIME WITH THEM. SO WE SEE THE PRIMARY USE OF THIS BEING ON SUNDAY MORNINGS AND IN A FEW SMATTERINGS THROUGHOUT THE WEEK.

AS WE COME TO THIS, UM THIS PROCESS WE KNEW THAT WE WANTED TO BE PROACTIVE IN FINDING OUT ALL THE KEEP THE FEES INVOLVED. AND WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO BUILD THE CHURCH TO BE GOOD STEWARDS WITH THE MONEY THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN TO US BY THE BY THE CONGREGATION, KNOWING THAT THE ROAD IMPACT FEES WE'RE GOING TO PLAY A PART IN THAT, UH, WE WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS JUST AS YOU HEARD EARLIER AND DEPENDING ON STEVE TO GIVE US A FAIR CALCULATION OF WHAT A CHURCH WOULD INCUR. UM IN THAT FEE SCHEDULE SINCE THE TOWN CURRENTLY DOESN'T HAVE A CHURCH

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LISTED AS ONE OF THOSE THOSE CATEGORIES, UM AND SO WE WERE. WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT, EITHER. WHEN WE CAME INTO THAT, AND THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT, UM, THAT WAS PRESENTED AND I GUESS I'LL REQUEST IS THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD CONSIDER THAT UM, FOR THE CHURCH, SINCE THERE ISN'T CURRENTLY A CHURCH DESIGNATION WITHIN THAT, WITHIN THAT FEE SCHEDULE. OKAY? WHERE IS THIS GOING TO BE? AND DON'T TELL ME IN GENERAL, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT YOU KNOW WHERE THERE'S A CREEK DOWN THERE THAT FLOODS UH, OVER THE HIGHWAY. THE ROAD. APPARENTLY FREQUENTLY. YES SIR.

IT DOES RAIN AT LEAST WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO BE COMPARED TO THAT CREEK. SO IF YOU'RE. DO YOU HAVE THE MAP NOW? OKAY THE MAP ON THE LEFT IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY. THERE'S ACTUALLY. TWO TWO PLACES WITHIN THAT IT WOULD BE THE BLUE REGION. THE WHOLE BLUE REGION IS THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION. THE DRAWING ON THE RIGHT IS, UM OUR DEVELOPER. HAD. PLACE THE BUILDING TO GIVE AN APPROXIMATION OF WHERE WOULD BE A GOOD FIT IN ORDER TO BEST SUIT THE NEEDS OF THE NEIGHBORS AND FOR THE CHURCH AS WELL. UM, THAT IS A PRELIMINARY DRAWING. WE WANTED TO AGAIN TO JUST BE PROACTIVE TO INVITE THE NEIGHBORS TO GET A LOOK AND ASK QUESTIONS AND HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS. WE DID THAT THIS PAST MONDAY, AND THEY GAVE US SOME SOME GOOD FEEDBACK AND THINGS TO CONSIDER AND SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS AS WELL. BUT THIS IS JUST A PRELIMINARY PLACEMENT OF WHERE THE BUILDING IS IN COORDINATION WITH THE REST OF THE LAND AROUND IT. I MAY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU LATER AFTER RESIDENTS SPEAK, HOWEVER. ONE OF MY MAJOR CONCERNS. I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A PROPONENT OF DARK SKIES. IS LIGHTING. THIS IS A VERY RURAL AREA WITH VERY DARK SKIES AND NOT A SINGLE CHURCH HAS BEEN PUT UP IN OUR TOWN HAS COMMITTED WERE CLOSE. TO KEEPING THE LIGHT LEVELS DOWN. WE GET COMPLAINTS. ALMOST WEEKLY HATE FOR BEING COMPLAINTS AGAINST THE CHURCH. BUT UM. WHAT'S YOUR PLAN ON LIGHTING THIS FACILITY? I UNDERSTAND THAT WE AND WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, TOO, AND WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE NEIGHBORS. WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. UH, OUR DEVELOPER HAS . BUILT THE WELL AND A NUMBER OF OTHER WORKING ON OTHER CHURCHES AND WANTS THAT TO BE A CONCERN. 18 FT LIGHTING DIRECT DOWN LIGHTING WITH LED S AND THINGS TO REDUCE THE GLARE, MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S NO NO SPILLOVER ON THE, UM ON THE LIGHT ONTO OTHER PEOPLE'S PROPERTIES AND THINGS. UM I KNOW WE WOULD DO EVERYTHING WITHIN OUR POWER TO, UH MAKE IT AS. FRIENDLY TO THE COMMUNITY IS AS WE POSSIBLY AS WE POSSIBLY CAN, BUT I KNOW HE'S DOING EVERYTHING WHEN NOBODY'S THERE, LIGHTS WILL BE DIMMED TO OFF. IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY, THEN THAT WOULD BE GREAT. OUTSIDE OF THE SECURITY OF THOSE THAT ARE NEAR ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HE HAD, HE HAD TALKED ABOUT DOING SEVA LASER. POINTER. YOU KNOW YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE IT, THOUGH. UM THAT NONE OF THE LIGHT POSTS WOULD BE ON THE OUTER PARKING AREAS THAT THEY WOULD ALL BE INTERIOR SO THAT ANY LIGHT SPILLAGE WOULD BE, UM WOULD NOT EXTEND PAST THE FURTHER OUT MOST , UM PARKING SPACES. THOSE ARE FEW OF THE THINGS THAT HE HAS SHARED, AND HE'S GOT, YOU KNOW, 18 FT LIGHTING SPILLS. THERE'S HARDLY ANYTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT THAT. BUT THAT'S WHY THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING. SO LOOKING AT THIS A. IT SHOWS ACCESS, THEN OFF OF ROPES AND RANCH ROAD AS WELL AS EVELYN BOTH POINTS, THE DESIRE WOULD BE TO HAVE ACCESS ON ROPES AND RANCH ROAD. YEAH AND THEN AS A SECONDARY, UH, EVELYN, BUT AGAIN, THOSE THINGS ARE THIS IS ALL VERY PRELIMINARY , AND WE WANT TO WORK WITH THE TOWN AND THE COMMUNITY AS WELL TO FIND THE BEST FIT FOR THAT. MHM. I GOT IT QUESTIONING GENERAL COMMENT, UM IS THE PLAN FOR THIS BUILDING TO BE BRICK AND MORTAR. OR IS THIS GOING TO BE ONE OF THESE METAL BUILDINGS THAT GO UP? THE GOAL IS TO FIT IN WITH THE AESTHETIC OF THE COMMUNITY, SO IT'LL BE. IT'LL BE A STEEL FRAME BUILDING. BUT IT WILL HAVE, UM IT WILL HAVE BRICK. IT WILL HAVE STONE. AH I

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DON'T KNOW ABOUT BRICK. IT WILL HAVE STONE. UM OK, THAT'LL HAVE PANELING. IT'LL BE SIMILAR IN DESIGN IF YOU IF YOU'VE BEEN PASSED THE WELL ON 407 THE WELL, CHURCH, UH, SIMILAR IN DESIGN, NOT AS BIG OKAY? MY OTHER CONCERN, THOUGH, IS WITH THE IMPACT FEE. I DON'T WANT TO SEE GET TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE SETTING A PRECEDENT WHERE ANYBODY THAT COMES INTO A TOWN WITH THE COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT. THEY CAN JUST HAVE THE TRAFFIC STUDY DONE AND SAY WE DON'T WANT TO PAY THE IMPACT FEE. WE THINK IT'S THIS MUCH. SO THAT'S THAT'S MY ONE.

CONCERN ABOUT THAT MUCH OF A DRASTIC REDUCTION IN THE IMPACT IS AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I GUESS MY HOPE FOR YOU IS TO SEE THAT THAT A CHURCH AND A COMMERCIAL BUILDING OR ARE DIFFERENT ENTITIES. UH USING DIFFERENT TIMES, DIFFERENT PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. CERTAINLY IF WE WERE COMMERCIAL BUILDING WE WOULD EXPECT TO PAY COMMERCIAL FEES.

UM BUT WE'RE JUST ASKING THAT A CHURCH WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN A COMMERCIAL BUILDING OR RESIDENTS OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, UM, WOULD HAVE THOSE APPROPRIATE FEES I IMAGINE WITH 11,000 SQUARE FEET, YOU'LL HAVE HOLES THAT YOU RENT OUT FOR DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES. WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE FACILITY BE USED FOR COMMUNITY USE. ALONE WILL INCREASE TRAFFIC AS WELL. THEN, BEYOND YOUR BASIC SUNDAY MORNING TRAFFIC. RIGHT WE WILL NOT ONLY HAVE TRAFFIC ON SUNDAY MORNING.

HMM IS THIS ACTUALLY 11,000 SQUARE FEET OR 17,000 SQUARE FEET? BECAUSE I'VE READ SOME ONLINE POST. IT'S THE WILL BE 17,000. NO, IT'S 11,000. IT'S A IT'S A HAIR OVER 11,000 SQUARE FEET. OTHERS WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GET TO THE RESIDENTS. MAKE THEM RIGHT NOW.

I DEFINITELY GOT SOME MORE FOR OUR STAFF IN A LITTLE BIT, BUT FOR YOU, I THINK I'M GOOD. OKAY.

THANK YOU, EVERYONE. YEAH I HAVE ONE FOR OUR STAFF. HOW MUCH MONEY IS THIS GONNA COST US? AND I KNOW YOU DON'T NOT SITTING THERE WITH THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT? WHAT MILLIONS WHAT COST? BUT WHAT ARE THE COSTS THAT YOU'RE? WHAT ARE THE COSTS THAT THE TOWN IS GOING TO HAVE TO BEAR? IN OTHER WORDS, IS THAT SAY $350,000 IS. IS THAT A NUMBER THAT WOULD REIMBURSE US TO WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST US EXTRA OR IS THE 70 OR 80,000, A NUMBER THAT WOULD REIMBURSES TO WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST US. THE ROADWAY IMPACT THESE, UM GO. TO UM, SUPPORT THE ROAD SYSTEM. AS THE DEVELOPMENT COMES IN, AND PUTS MORE TRAFFIC ONTO THE ROAD SYSTEM. UM WE HAVE. THIS ROAD, FOR EXAMPLE, WAS BUILT BY THE COUNTY, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT. SO UM IT'S BASED ON THE. THE MODEL THE TRIP GENERATION HOW MUCH TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE ON THERE? THAT ROAD IMPACT FEE IS USED TO HELP US TO FOR THE REPAIR AND RECONSTRUCTION OF THESE ROADS. SO, UM. BECAUSE IF. IF THIS WAS A COMMERCIAL BUILDING, THERE WOULD BE MORE TRAFFIC GENERATION . IF THIS WAS A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING, THEY'D BE LESS SO. IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE WEAR AND TEAR ON ON THE ROADWAY. SO I CAN'T GIVE YOU EXACT NUMBER. ALRIGHT I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM OUR RESIDENTS OR ACTUALLY, ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON IT AND OPEN MEETING, BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC AT THIS POINT, AND SO WE'LL START WITH MR GONZALES. AND, SIR, WE HAVE A JUST LET YOU KNOW WE WILL DO A THREE MINUTES HERE TONIGHT LIKE WE DID FOR REGULAR PUBLIC COMMENTS. THREE MINUTES TO THE USE YOUR TIME. I'LL WAVE AT YOU WHEN WE GET CLOSE, AND YOU'RE FREE TO KIND OF FINISH YOUR COMMENT IF YOU NEED TO ALL RIGHT TO BE PREPARED TO GO AHEAD AND SET THE TIMER WHEN YOU SAID YOU'RE READY. ALRIGHT. UM, PERFECT. READY, ALRIGHT? UH FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU, COUNSEL FOR GIVING US THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO PUBLIC FORUM. BUT AGAIN, I LOVE TO BE PART OF THIS DEMOCRATIC PROCESS, RIGHT? WHICH IS GREAT. SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. UM REALLY CLEARLY SOME AREAS OF CONCERN. I AM A DIRECT NEIGHBOR OF THIS PROPOSED CHURCH FOR THIS AREA LITERALLY ADJACENT TO IT AT 3821 GROUPS AND RANCH, UM, RIGHT NEXT TO THE GRANTS. UM YOU KNOW, WE

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ARE CONCERNED SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE INCREASED ROAD TRAFFIC INTO THE AREA. UM AS WELL. I APPRECIATE BRIAN BRINGING UP THE POINT IN REGARDS TO THE LIGHTING. ONE OF THE REASONS WE MOVED TO THIS AREA. BECAUSE ONE IT WAS RULED, UM WE WANTED SOME PLACE THAT WAS QUIET, AND THEN AT NIGHT, WE COULD GO INTO OUR BACKYARD. AND HERE. THE WONDERFUL NEIGHBORS, COWS MUNCHING ON THE GRASS AND BE ABLE TO SEE IT NOTHING. AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE WANT TO SEE IS THE WONDERFUL TEXAS PRAIRIE LAND THAT WE HAVE BEHIND US, UM NOTHING. I AM DEVOUT CHRISTIAN. BUSINESS SO ALL MY LIFE AND THE P K. OKAY SO GRIPPERS PREACHER'S KID, I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING A CHURCH COMMUNITY AND HOW THAT CHURCH COULD IMPACT THE COMMUNITY IN THE CITY BY ITS NATURE. FROM BUT QUITE FRANKLY. WITHIN THE THREE MILE RADIUS OF OUR HOME. ACTUALLY FOUR MILE RADIUS. THE SEVEN CHURCHES THAT WE COULD ATTEND. ALL WITHIN KNOWN COMMERCIAL DESIGNED AREAS. UM. SO AS I WOULD APPRECIATE A NEW CHURCH COMING INTO THE AREA.

I JUST DON'T NEED IT WITHIN 600 FT OF MY HOUSE. UM, SO, UH AND QUITE FRANKLY, ADDITIONALLY, THERE IS REALLY TRULY SOME CONCERNS ABOUT SAFETY. THAT ROAD IN ITSELF. YOU GUYS PROBABLY ALL KNOW OUR EMAIL BECAUSE WE'VE EMAILED THE CITY NONSTOP ABOUT THE TRAFFIC RUNNING THROUGH ROPES AND RANCH. HOW NO ONE OBSERVES THE SPEED LIMIT. UM IT IS A KNOWN ISSUE IN THAT AREA, AND THAT CURVE HAS ACTUALLY EXPERIENCED ACCIDENTS BEFORE IN THE PAST. UM, ONE OF WHICH PRIOR TO US MOVING INTO OUR HOME RAN THROUGH THE FRONT OF OUR PROPERTY, KNOCKED OVER TWO TREES AND SOME OTHER STUFF, SO IT'S HAPPENED AND IT'S RECENTLY THERE'S ONE THAT HAPPENED TO HER NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR CAMPISI. THE CAMPUS IS WHERE IT RAN OVER THE MAILBOX, ALL WITHIN THE 200 BLOCK 200 FT RADIUS OF THAT CURVE. UM I'M REALLY, REALLY CONCERNED. ABOUT JUST THROUGH OVERALL TRAFFIC AND SAFETY OF THAT AREA. UM ALSO, I THINK YOU GUYS HIT IT RIGHT ON THE NOSE IN REGARDS TO PRECEDENTS. IF WE WANT. THERE'S NO CURRENT. AH! RULE IN PLACE FOR THE TOWN OF NORTH LAKE. THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THIS CHANGE IN THE FEAST. SO I WOULD ASSUME THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH SOME SORT OF VOTE. WANT TO HAVE THAT LAW OR THAT RESTRICT AT THAT EDITION BE ADDED. TO THE TO THE SET OF RULES, SO THAT WAY YOU GUYS CAN MAKE A DECISION. UM I DON'T BELIEVE THERE SHOULD BE A SPECIAL PRECEDENTS THAT'S ALLOWED FOR THIS CASE. I THINK WE NEED TIME TO REVIEW THAT. HAVE EVEN THE TOWNFOLK EVEN VOTE ON THIS RIGHT, AS OPPOSED TO JUST HAVING A DECISION BE PLACED TODAY AGAIN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. YOU'RE CORRECT. SO THE REASON WE'RE HERE TONIGHT, IT'S BECAUSE AN EXCEPTION IS CALLED FOR, SO THAT IS CORRECT THAT IT DOES REQUIRE A VOTE. THE COUNCIL DOES HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SET FEES AND TO REVIEW IF THEY'RE INCORRECT. AND SO THAT'S WHY IT'S HERE IN FRONT OF US INSTEAD OF JUST THE STAFF DECISION, THEIR DECISION IS TO APPLY THE RIGHT CATEGORY THAT'S AVAILABLE TO THEM. AND THEN OUR OPTIONS ARE JUST SET THOSE CATEGORIES TO RESET THOSE CATEGORIES TO RUN THROUGH THE STUDY TO HAVE THE RATES SET TO THEM. DO THE CAPITAL PROJECTS.

THAT'S THE PROCESS SO YOU'RE CORRECT. THAT'S WHY IT'S HERE. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS DIALOGUE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT NEXT. THE BARACUS. EVENING COUNCIL. MY NAME IS CHRIS AMERICAN. LITTLE BIT 3695 ROPES AND RANCH ROAD, SO JUST DOWN THE STREET FROM THE SAME DWELLING THAT WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT HERE TONIGHT. UM AND I SHARE A LOT OF SIMILAR CAN CONCERNS WITH MY NEIGHBOR WHO WAS JUST UP HERE, MAINLY CONCERNED WITH THE TRAFFIC FLOW. THAT'S GOING TO BE DOWN ROPES AND RANCH SPECIFICALLY THE TWO LANE SECTION OF ROPES AND RANCH ROAD.

THAT YOU CAN SEE AT THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PICTURE THAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW. UM AS I'M SURE YOU ALL ARE AWARE WE HAVE HAD CONSTANT PROBLEMS WITH SPEED LIMIT. UH ISSUES IN THAT AREA, NOT ONLY FROM REGULAR VEHICLES DRIVING THROUGH BUT ALSO THE 18 WHEELERS, MOVING BACK AND FORTH THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD GOING TO SOME OF THE SECTIONS NORTH ON FIVE. UM WE ARE DEEPLY CONCERNED THAT WITH THE ADDITION OF ANOTHER CHURCH IN THE AREA THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN INCREASED TRAFFIC FLOW THROUGH THROUGHOUT THE WEEK, NOT ONLY ON SUNDAYS BUT POTENTIALLY WEDNESDAYS, THURSDAYS, FRIDAYS, ETCETERA, OUR CHURCH AND WE GO TO IS IN ARGYLE, AND THEY HAVE MULTIPLE TIMES THROUGHOUT THE WEEK THAT THEY HAVE EVENTS GOING ON, PLUS ADDITIONAL EVENTS ON THE WEEKENDS THAT EXTEND BEYOND JUST THE REGULAR CHURCH HOURS. AND WE KNOW WHAT THAT KIND OF TRAFFIC

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BRINGS TO AREAS. AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. OUR AREA IS JUST NOT READY FOR THIS KIND OF TRAFFIC FLOW YET. UM 30 MILE AN HOUR. SPEED LIMITS ARE CONSTANTLY BEING DRIVEN 50 PLUS UM, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES I WANT THE KIDS TO BE ABLE TO PLAY IN THE FRONT YARD AND IT CAN AFRAID FOR THEIR LIFE. I'M AFRAID FOR THE LIVES OF EVERYBODY ON THAT ROAD, WHO'S OUT THERE TRYING TO MOW THEIR LAWNS IN THE AFTERNOONS? SO NOT ONLY IS THIS A SAFETY CONCERN TO THE NEIGHBORS AND THE INDUSTRY IS ALSO A CONCERN THAT WE HAVE FOR THE TOWN. AS WAS MENTIONED.

PREVIOUSLY, THERE'S ADDITIONAL MONEY THAT WOULD BE LOST IF THIS APPEAL WERE APPROVED FOR UPKEEP ON THAT ROAD. WE ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH TRAVEL DOWN THAT ROAD TO NEED MORE UPBEAT THAN WHAT IT CURRENTLY CAN HANDLE. AND THEN THE ADDITIONAL TRAVEL FOR A NEW CHURCH THAT COULD CONTAIN 500 PLUS MEMBERS EVERY SINGLE WEEKEND WOULD INCREASE THAT SUBSTANTIALLY. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? SORRY. WE'RE TRYING TO SWITCH AND COVER FOR KIDS WITH LIFE MISSING RIGHT NOW, SO IT'S A LITTLE LITTLE CUMBERSOME. THANK YOU. I'M SUSAN MERICA, 3695 RIBS AND RANCH ROAD. APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, UM NOT ONLY WITH THE SAFETY OF THIS AREA, BUT LET ALONE THE UPKEEP OF THE ROADS. AS WE ALL KNOW, EVELYN IS REALLY NOT PAVED, UM FLORENCE HEADING SOUTH IF THEY GO SOUTH OFF ROBSON AND GO DOWN FLORENCE. THE IMPACT OF THE INTERSECTION OF FLORENCE AND FLORO SEVEN. THAT'S GOOD, AND YOU CAN'T SEE COMING UP OVER THAT HILL. IT'S A DANGEROUS INTERSECTION. UM LET ALONE THE AREA WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT THE ENTRANCE ON ROBSON RANCH ROAD. IT'S NOT VERY WIDE. UM THERE'S. I MEAN, STOPLIGHTS. STOP SIGNS. WHATEVER. I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE A NIGHTMARE. UM, I'M NOT APPALLED TO A CHURCH. BUT AT THAT AREA. IT'S JUST NOT A GOOD PLACE. UM. AND I COULD WE ALREADY WE ALREADY KNOW IT'S GOING TO COST $40,000 JUST A STRIPE. THAT LITTLE SECTION OF ROBSON RANCH ROAD, GIVE ME SOME YELLOW PAINT, AND I'LL DO IT.

BUT UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S IT'S A LOT OF UPKEEP. AND LET ALONE YOU KNOW, SAFETY FOR OUR KIDS AND FAMILIES. THANK YOU. GARY GRANT. THANKS COUNCILOR FOR ALLOWING US TO SPEAK TODAY. UM AS THE PASTOR SAID. WE MET WITH THE CHURCH ON MONDAY TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY WANT TO DO. UM HE MENTIONED THAT THE BUILDING IS 11,156 SQUARE FEET.

WELL, WHEN WE TALKED TO THE ARCHITECT, THEY TOLD US EVERYTHING UNDERNEATH THE ROOF LINE. THERE'S ALMOST 17,000 SQUARE FEET. SO I GUESS YOU GOTTA ASK DIRECT QUESTIONS. THEY YOU GOTTA PORTER SHARE THAT COMES OUT. YOU KNOW DIFFERENT THINGS THAT YOU KNOW. EXTEND THIS BUILDING. IT'S NOT JUST THE BOX THAT'S 11,000 SQUARE FEET. UM. THAT'S 5.5 TIMES THE SIZE OF MY HOUSE. YOU CAN'T TELL ME THAT'S NOT A COMMERCIAL BUILDING. ALSO WHEN WE TALK TO THEM, THEY TOLD US THAT THEY WERE EXPECTING ANYWHERE FROM 250 THE 500. PEOPLE COMING FOR SERVICES. SO IF YOU DIVIDE THAT IN HALF, LET'S SAY IT'S YOU KNOW 250 PEOPLE COMING TO PEOPLE PER CAR THAT'S STILL 125 CARS COMING DOWN OUR STREET EVERY MORNING FOR EVERY SERVICE. UM. YOU KNOW THE CITY'S ASKING FOR 589,000. THEY'RE OFFERING 84,000. THAT'S 14. THAT'S NOT EVEN A FRACTION.

UM. THIS CHURCH. IT IS A BUSINESS IT YOU KNOW IT BRINGS IN MONEY FOR ITSELF. IT HAS NO ECONOMICAL ADVANTAGES. IT GIVES NO TAXES TO THE CITY. SO IF YOU DON'T COLLECT THIS MONEY FOR THE ROADS AND THE STREETS NOW YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET A DIME OUT OF THEM LATER. UM. WELL, WE'VE BEEN INFORMED THAT WE CAN'T STOP THE CHURCH FROM BEING BUILT. BUT WE ASK THAT THE APPEAL BE DENIED.

THE TOWN MANAGER HAS ALREADY DENIED IT. I ASK THAT YOU SUPPORT YOUR TOWN MANAGER AND BACK UP HIS DECISION DECISION. ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU GUYS. MY MISSING ONE. MS

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HARDMAN, ARE YOU SPEAKING TO THIS ITEM? ALRIGHT, PLEASE. HI MY NAME IS RENA HARDIMAN. I'D LIKE TO, UM I'D LIKE TO ECHO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN SAID. IN FACT, SOME OF THE THINGS WILL BE REPETITIOUS. SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. MOST OF YOU ALL KNOW THAT I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF SUBSIDIES, AND I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF EXCEPTIONS. I THINK THAT EVERYBODY NEEDS A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD AND UNLESS THOSE EXCEPTIONS ARE MERITORIOUS, AND I DON'T SEE THAT IN THIS SIMPLY BECAUSE THIS IS A ROAD IMPACT FEE. THIS IS NOT, UM SOMETHING ELSE IS NOT A BUILDING FEE. THIS IS NOT ANYTHING ELSE BUT A ROAD IMPACT AND IF WE LOOK SPECIFICALLY AT ROAD IMPACT IF WE GO BY, I BELIEVE, AND I WANT TO THANK THEM FOR HAVING US THAT WE GOT TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT CLOSER AT THIS BUILDING, AND I WAS GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING ABOUT THE SIZE. IT'S ALMOST 17,000 UNDER ROOF. UM BUT I BELIEVE THAT THEIR NUMBERS WERE AND IF I'M INCORRECT, PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU'VE GOT 250 PEOPLE ATTENDING SERVICE. YOU'VE GOT 160 CARS, BUT WHAT YOU WANT TO LOOK AT? IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT CAR PASSES, OKAY, SO THAT'S 220 CAR PASSES PER SERVICE. IF YOU HAVE TWO SERVICES THAT SUNDAY MORNING, WE'RE LOOKING AT 440 CAR PASSES. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THIS CURVE, OKAY. I THINK THAT'S 100 AND 81 FT RIGHT THERE AT ROBSON RANCH AND NO TERM LANE. YOU ARE ASKING FOR TROUBLE. UM THE ALSO THE BUILDING HEIGHT I BELIEVE, AND YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG THROUGH BELIEVE THE BUILDING HOT IS SET AT 32 THE PEAK. SO YOU'VE GOT A 30 FT BUILDING. UM THE OFFSET IS 100 FT FROM A STRUCTURE, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT INCLUDES THE PARKING LOT, SO YOU CAN HAVE PARKING LOT RIGHT UP AGAINST THESE PEOPLE'S FENCES. AS I LOOKED AT THE SPECIFICATIONS ON THE PLANS, I SAW THAT THE BUILDING FACADE IS A CORRUGATED TIN WITH SOME MASONRY. IT DID NOT. THEY DID NOT PROVIDE THAT NUMBER TO US. WHAT PERCENTAGE OF MASONRY IT IS, BUT IT IS CORRUGATED TENETS STANDING SEAM METAL ROOF. UM. THE LIGHTS WILL BE 18 FT. HIGH THEY WILL HAVE A THINNER BEAM, BUT THEY WON'T BE BOX SLIDING, WHICH HAS SIDES ON IT. IT WILL BE A THINNER BEAM SPREAD. BUT AT 18 FT HIGH, YOU'RE STILL SEEING A LOT OF LIGHT. UM I ALSO WELCOME CHURCHES IN THIS AREA. I THINK THEY'RE GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY. BUT THIS IS A COMMERCIAL BUILDING. THIS IS GOING TO HAVE NOT ONLY CHURCH SERVICES THIS IS GOING TO HAVE UM, EVENTS, AND I SAID NOT MUCH WEDNESDAY NIGHT ACTIVITY BUT EVENTS AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT LEASING IT OUT. WE DID ACTUALLY DURING OUR MEETING OFFER UP ALTERNATIVE. IN SPACES IN NORTH LIKE THAT MIGHT HAVE BETTER ROADWAYS AND BETTER ACCESS TO IT. BUT IF YOU DON'T BUILD A FOUR LANE DIVIDED WITH A DEDICATED TURN LINK TO THAT, I THINK YOU'RE REALLY ASKING FOR TROUBLE. HMM. THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

ALRIGHT. I'VE WORKED THROUGH ALL THE ONE SECOND WE WORKED THROUGH ALL THE CARDS, BUT YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK AS WELL. COME ON DOWN. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE WAY THAT ME NOW YOU GOT TO GO AHEAD 921 ASSEMBLY LINE. AND OF COURSE, I KINDA HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION ON ON SOME THINGS. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH BRIAN. THERE'S JUST NO WAY UNLESS YOU TURN THE LIGHTS OFF.

DO NOT HAVE, LIKE, BLEED OVER. I LIVE WITH THAT. YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT A WAREHOUSE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. THEY HAVE THE SHIELDS ON THE LIGHTS. MY WHOLE YARD'S LIT UP USED TO BE DARK. WHAT SOMETHING'S GOING IN THERE, RIGHT? EITHER IT'S A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT OR COMMERCIAL BUSINESS OR SOMETHING. ANYTHING THAT GOES IN THERE IS GOING TO HAVE LIGHTS. UM AND LIKE I'VE SAID IN THE PAST IF THERE'S LOTS OF PEOPLE HERE THAT DON'T LIKE IT. THE NEIGHBORS CAN ALL PITCH IN. I DON'T KNOW IF THE CHURCH ALREADY OWNS THE PROPERTY THAT COULD HAVE PITCHED IN AND BOUGHT THE PROPERTY SO THAT THEY COULD CONTROL WENT THERE OR HAVE NOTHING GO THERE. SO YOU KNOW, PEOPLE TELLING THE NEIGHBORS WHAT THEY CAN DO ON THEIR PROPERTY. I'M GONNA I GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT. AND I'VE SEEN A LOT OF CHURCHES BEEN ATTENTION CHURCH EVERY SUNDAY, YOU KNOW.

I'VE NEVER SEEN. YEAH THEY HAVE HEAVY TRAFFIC FOR A VERY BRIEF PERIOD OF TIME. AND THAT'S USUALLY SUNDAY MORNING WHEN THERE'S NO OTHER TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD. UM I CAN'T IMAGINE ANYTHING ELSE THAT COULD GO IN THERE WITH GENERATE LESS TRAFFIC . AND YEAH, I KNOW THEY'RE GONNA HAVE OTHER THINGS GOING ON IN EVENTS EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE BUT OVERALL, PROBABLY PRETTY LOW ON THE TRAFFIC. ALL THAT SAID. I ALSO BELIEVE PEOPLE SHOULD PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. I DON'T KNOW IF THEIR NUMBERS DRIVE IF THAT STUDY THEY HAD DONE MATCHES AND IT'S REAL. UM I'D SAY THAT WE SHOULDN'T CHARGE THEM MORE THAN WHAT IT'S ACTUALLY GOING. THE IMPACT. THE CITY BECAUSE IT'S CALLED AN IMPACT THAT OUGHT TO COVER THE IMPACT. THANKS. OTHERS

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WANT TO WAVE AT ME. OKAY? YES YOU MAY JUST PLEASE FILL OUT A CARD FORMING AND JUST ANNOUNCED YOUR NAME. YOU CAN DO THE CARD LATER. YOU CAN DO THE CARD LATER, BUT JUST COME ON DOWN.

INTRODUCE YOURSELF. FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME IS MY NAME IS DEBORAH WALLS AND I AM THE REAL ESTATE AGENT THAT'S REPRESENTED THE CHURCH AND WE REALLY DEVALUE THE IMPACT OR THE FEEDBACK FROM THE NEIGHBORS AS WELL AS COUNCIL. AND, UM, ONE THING I JUST DID WANT TO SHARE. I WORK IN A LOT OF NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES. THIS IS KIND OF MY AREA. I WORK ANYWHERE FROM ROANOKE ALL THE WAY UP TO SINGER AND MOST MOSTLY IN LAND, AND, UM , I JUST WANTED TO SHARE WITH ALL DUE RESPECT THAT THE ROAD IMPACT FEES WHEN YOU COMPARE TO YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE EXTREMELY EXCESSIVE. JUSTIN HAS A LOT OF RURAL AREAS TO AND ON THEIR HIGHEST. THE COST PER SQUARE FOOT IS $1889 PER 1000. SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT AS IT IS BECAUSE HALF A MILLION DOLLARS ALMOST 600,000 FOR ROAD IMPACT FEE. THERE'S JUST NOTHING EVEN IN SOUTH WAKE. IT IS 1900 PER 1000. SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT FEEDBACK AS INFORMATION FOR THE TOWN AND I DON'T MEAN NO DISRESPECT BY THIS AT ALL, JUST AS GENERAL INFORMATION, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A YOU KNOW THE AREA THAT THIS IS IN, UM OF NORTH LAKE AND THAT IT'S GROWING AND YOU DO NEED ROADS ARE EXPENSIVE. AND UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT PART, BUT I JUST WANTED TO I GUESS THE CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO THE ROAD IMPACT, WHETHER IT'S FOR THE CHURCH OR ANY OTHER AREA FOR THIS PARTICULAR, UM SECTION OF NORTH LAKE. IT'S JUST THAT I WAS WHEN I SENT IT TO MY BOSS TO SHOW IT TO HIM. HE THOUGHT I SENT THE WRONG INFORMATION BECAUSE IT JUST IS. IT'S NEVER SEEN A FEW THAT HIGH, SO FOR WHATEVER THAT'S WORTH, UM I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND ALL YOUR SERVICE. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. HAVE WE HEARD FROM EVERYONE? OKAY? ONE MORE COME ON DOWN. MISTAKES YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. AND DO YOU HAVE? DO I HAVE A CARD FOR YOU. OKAY, JUST FILLING OUT FORMS SUPERIOR LITTLE FLORENCE ROAD. AND I THINK YOU KNOW, NO MATTER WHAT ALL OF THIS IS ABOUT. I THINK THE ONE THING WE HAVE TO BE CONCERNED WITH SAFETY. THERE IT'S SUCH IT'S SUCH A CESSPOOL FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD OF THINGS THAT HAPPEN ON THE ROAD EVERY SINGLE DAY. WHEN I DRIVE BACK AND FORTH TO DENTON, TAKE MY HUSBAND TO DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENTS. WHEN I GO DOWN FLORENCE ROAD, ALL OF THOSE SEMIS AND THE CEMENT TRUCKS AND I JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE ANYBODY GETTING HURT. AND IT'S JUST AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN IF WE PUT MORE TRAFFIC IN THE AREA. ALRIGHT AND THE OTHERS. VERY GOOD. ALRIGHT SO I HAVE A TON OF QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS ON THIS ONE. AND, UH, SO LET'S LET'S GET DOWN TO IT. UM. A COUPLE A COUPLE SET UP THINGS AND THEN COUNSELORS. YOU CAN INTERRUPT YOU IF YOU WANT AND JUMP IN AT ANY POINT IF I RUN ON A FEW THINGS NUMBER ONE. WE HAVE TO SEPARATE SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS TONIGHT. SO TRAFFIC SAFETY. ACCESS ZONING LIGHTING BUILDING SIZE DICTATED BY PLANNING AND ZONING PLANNING AUTHORITY AND THE RIGHTS OF PROPERTY OWNERS WHERE PROPERTY RIGHTS STATE CAN'T VIOLATE THOSE . SO THE QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS APPROPRIATE. IS APPROPRIATE ALL THE TIME. BUT THAT'S A ARGUMENT THAT CANNOT DICTATE WHAT WE CHARGES A FEE.

WE HAVE TO CHARGE FEES THAT ARE CORRECT THAT ARE APPROPRIATE THAT ARE RIGHT. AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT CORRECTLY, WE HAVE SYSTEMS IN PLACE TO CATEGORIZE. PROPERTY AND THEN TO APPLY FEES.

WE GET IN THE BUSINESS OF DISCOUNTING OFF OF CATEGORIES AND WE'RE GONNA BE IN TROUBLE.

WE HAVE WAY TOO MUCH DEVELOPMENT TO MAKE CHANGES ON THE FLY. AND WE CAN'T TAKE NECESSARILY FEEDBACK FROM DEVELOPERS. THEY CAN. YOU CAN POINT TO IT. I APPRECIATE YOUR PROFESSIONALISM.

YOU CAN POINT US OUT TO WHERE THERE MIGHT BE A FLAW IN OUR LOGIC AND HOW WE APPLY IT. BUT WE CAN'T TAKE YOUR NUMBERS AS GOSPEL. WE HAVE TO APPLY OUR OWN ENGINEERS AND FIGURE OUT IF WE BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A LEGITIMATE CASE. THAT'S NOT TO SAY YOU DON'T HAVE ONE. THAT'S JUST TO SAY WE HAVE TO DO IT ON OUR SIDE. FIRST IN ORDER TO APPROPRIATELY CATEGORIZED. A COUPLE OTHER THINGS WROTE. IMPACT FEES ARE VASTLY DIFFERENT, EVEN WITHIN THE TOWN OF NORTH LAKE, AND THAT'S A MATH PROBLEM THAT I DISTINCTLY I DESPISE. AND PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE THEY'RE ZONES IN NORTH LAKE. WE'VE GOT NORTHWEST NORTHEAST SOUTHEAST SOUTHWEST

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FEW ZONES WITHIN THOSE ZONES. THE BASIC MATH IS THAT YOU ADD UP ALL THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. THAT AREA DIVIDED BY ALL THE COSTS OF THE CAPITAL AND THE ROADS THAT YOU EXPECT TO BUILD. IF YOU'VE GOT A TON OF DEVELOPMENT IN AN AREA THAT ZONED YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE LOTS AND LOTS OF PEOPLE TO PAY IN, AND THAT'S GOING TO DRIVE DOWN THE COST OF THE FEES. IF YOU'VE GOT A ZONE THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING PLANNED IN IT. THAT MEANS THAT ONE OR TWO DEVELOPERS OR PROPERTIES IS GOING TO PAY THE WHOLE BILL. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THIS CORNER. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, SO THAT'S NUMBER ONE. I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE EXORBITANT TO THE FEE. I DO BELIEVE IT IS EXORBITANT. BUT IT IS LEGAL AND IT IS FACTUAL. AND SO THERE ARE WAYS TO ADDRESS THAT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY BY YOU KNOW, NEGOTIATING. WE DON'T NEGOTIATE THINGS WHEN IT COMES TO, BECAUSE IF I DISCOUNT IT AND GET IT WRONG THEN WE PAY THE BILL.

THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE. EVERYBODY HAS TO PAY THEIR WAY. CHURCH RESIDENT. BY THE WAY, I'M ALSO A P. K. THAT JUST CAME HOME FROM THE MISSION FIELD AFTER 30 YEARS. CLOSE TO MY HEART AND PASTOR BEN. YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED APPRECIATE OUR PASTORS. HAVE YOU COME AND PRAY HERE? THERE'S A PURPOSE FOR THAT. WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONTRIBUTION. THE COMMUNITY. THERE'S VALUE TREMENDOUS VALUE. AND I THINK, ACTUALLY CHURCH MEMBERS HITTING THAT CURVE. WELL, SLOW DOWN BECAUSE THEY'RE TURNING IN THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY HELP. BUT OVERALL THE USE OF THE PROPERTY AND THE SAFETY FACTOR AND THE ROAD THAT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED HERE, WHICH, BY THE WAY IS BEING DEVELOPED BY THE COUNTY ALL THE WAY TO 156 THAT MONEY IS ALREADY ON THE WAY THAT PLANNING IS ALREADY UNDERWAY THAT ROBES AND RANCHES GOING ALL THE WAY TO 156 GOING TO PAVED ALL THE WAY THROUGH. IT'S GOING TO BE WHAT WE EXPERIENCED TODAY AS LONG AS THERE'S LOW TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD. LOW TRAFFIC HIGHER SPEEDS. THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS. AS WE GET CLOSER TO MORE STEADY TRAFFIC, YOU'LL SEE THE SPEEDS DROP. AS THE ROAD IS USED BY MORE PEOPLE, BECAUSE THERE'S MORE RESPONSIBLE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT ARE DRIVING SLOWER, THEY'RE GOING TO PACE THE TRAFFIC. AND THAT'S GOING TO COME OVER TIME, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A WHILE UNTIL THERES SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC ON THIS ROAD, BUT THIS IS THE MAIN THOROUGHFARE. ACCESS TO THE ROAD IS NOT SOMETHING WE CAN DICTATE. ACCESS TO ROADS IS A PROPERTY, RIGHT? CAN'T SQUEEZE THEM AND SAY, WELL, WE DON'T WANT THIS PROPERTY WE DON'T WANT THIS USE. THEREFORE WE HAVE TO TRY TO KEEP THEM FROM GETTING ACCESS TO THE ROAD ACCESS TO ROPES AND RANCHES, NOT ON THE TABLE THAT'S AVAILABLE TO THEM. THEY CAN HAVE IT WHETHER OR NOT THEY CAN HAVE TWO ACCESS POINTS. THAT'S DIFFERENT. THOSE ARE DICTATED BY THE DISTANCES. I DON'T THINK WE CAN FIT TWO ACCESSES HERE, WHICH IS WHY THEY GOT ONE IN THE SOUTH EVELYN. DO THEY NEED IT? NOT NECESSARILY. BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO FREE FOR A PROPERTY LIKE THIS. THE USE OF THE BUILDING THE LIGHTING AS WELL WHILE COMPLETELY AGREE WITH IT. WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH LIGHTING. WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH TRYING TO MANAGE LIGHTING AND NO, IT'S THE FIRST BUILDING OF ITS KIND OF THAT SIGNIFICANCE IN THAT CORNER, SO THAT DOES POSE A PROBLEM. BUT THAT NUISANCE FACTORS DICTATED BY HOW STRONG THE LIGHTS ARE, AND, FRANKLY WHERE THIS IS POSITIONED, IT WOULD NOT VIOLATE A NUISANCE RULE. SO FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT, WE CAN NEGOTIATE BUT WE CAN'T DICTATE. SO THAT ONE'S A FAVOR. BUT THAT'S PART OF THE PLANNING PROCESS. SO GOOD TO GET THIS FEEDBACK UPFRONT BECAUSE IT STARTS THE PROCESS OF MAKING SURE THAT THOSE GET BAKED INTO THE PLANNING. FROM A ROAD IMPACT FEE STANDPOINT, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF CATEGORIES AND THIS IS WHERE I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF THINGS FOR OUR STAFF THAT I WANT TO KNOW. UM ONE. HOW MANY CATEGORIES DO WE HAVE RIGHT NOW ERODED BACK FEES. OKAY? SO I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE CATEGORIZATION OF THIS ONE.

BASED ON THOSE FIVE HOW MANY DO CITIES LIKE US HAVE IN OUR AREA? IS THIS TYPICAL OR ATYPICAL? UM THERE. THERE'S. THE GAMUT THERE'S TOWNS THAT WE'VE STUDIED. FAITH SELENA NUMBER OF FAST GROWING CITIES THAT HAVE ABOUT 10 CATEGORIES AND SOMETIMES 10 SUBCATEGORIES. THEY TAKE THE TABLE, THE THAT. TEXTBOOK WORKBOOK THAT ENGINEER TALKED ABOUT. AND I FORGOT WHAT THEY CALL HIM THE TRIP GENERATION AND THEY'VE GOT ALMOST 100 CATEGORIES THEY TAKE.

THEY HAVE A NUMBER FOR EACH. IF YOU WERE A SMALL TOWN, WE TRY TO KEEP IT SIMPLE. UM, WE NOT I HAD A CASE LIKE THIS BEFORE. BUT WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE AN INSTITUTIONAL CATEGORY. SO UM ONE OF THE COUNTERPOINTS TO THAT IS. YES THIS IS A CHURCH, BUT IT COULD BECOME SOMETHING ELSE. IT DOESN'T WOULDN'T HAVE THE ZONING FOR IT. BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS ON A COMMERCIAL. IT COULD BE ANY TYPE OF COMMERCIAL, SO WE NEED TO BE PREPARED FOR THAT. UM TYPICALLY COMMUNITIES, CHURCHES USUALLY. PRETTY STICKY. IT STAYS AROUND FOR A WHILE, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. WE HAVE FIVE. I'VE SEEN CITIES WITH UP TO 100 DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. 10 CATEGORIES WITH 10

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SUBCATEGORIES. YOU. YOU SAID SOMETHING THAT PIQUED MY INTEREST. SO IF THE CHURCH GOES IN, DO THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO REZONE TO COMMERCIALS? UM NO, THEY DON'T ABOUT FIRST AMENDMENT FREEDOM OF RELIGION. BUT THE COUNT THE TOWN COUNCIL HAS AN S U P PROCESS TO ASK THEM TO MAKE REASONABLE ECONOMY DEVIATIONS, WHICH INCLUDES LIGHTING A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT THE MAYOR HAD HAD TALKED ABOUT, AND THAT'S A THAT'S A SEPARATE PROCESS. THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE NEXT PROCESSES THAT GO THROUGH PNC. THEY'D MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL TO CONSIDER MY QUESTION EXTENDS FROM YOU BASICALLY HAVE A COMMERCIAL BUILDING ON A WORLD RESIDENTIAL ZONE. PROPERTY. CHURCH FOLDS. OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT RESIDENTIAL BUILDING THE ZONING STILL WORLD RESIDENTIAL CORRECT. THAT THAT'S A MAJOR CONFLICT IN MY MIND. I DON'T I DON'T IT CAN BE REUSED FOR A COMMERCIAL PURPOSE. THE USE CAN'T BE. THAT BECAUSE OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT, WE CAN'T ZONE AGAINST. IF WE'VE GOT FREEDOM OF RELIGION, BUT SOMEONE CAME IN AND TRIED TO USE A COMMERCIAL PURPOSE. IT WOULDN'T FOLLOW THE ZONING AND IT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED. OKAY? ALL RIGHT. SO. I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING TO ATTENTION THE E T A TRIP MEASURE. THAT'S GOOD.

THAT'S ALSO WHAT I HAVE FOUND IS THAT CHURCHES TYPICALLY HAVE A LOWER PROFILE. UM THAT DOES MATCH FROM A COMMERCIAL STANDPOINT OF GROCERY STORE IS GOING TO GENERATE A HECK OF A LOT MORE TRAFFIC THAN THE CHURCH DOES, WHICH IS TOO BAD, BUT THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS. THE RIGHT? I'M WRESTLING WITH IN MY MIND. ARE WE BEHIND THE CURVE HERE? WHEN IT COMES TO CATEGORIES. I DO BELIEVE WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM THERE. I DO KNOW WE HAVE A MATH PROBLEM. THAT MATH PROBLEM IS PARTLY COSTS. WE'VE GOT A VERY EXPENSIVE ROADS THAT ARE COMING FROM A REASONABILITY STANDPOINT, ROBSON RANCHES AND OUR RESPONSIBILITY RIGHT NOW IT'S GOING TO BE PAID FOR BY THE COUNTY. SO THAT ONE'S GOING TO GET PAID AND THROUGH CITY OF DENTON, DENTON COUNTY ALL THE WAY THROUGH, SO WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TO PAY CAPITAL EXPENSES ON OUTFITTING THAT ROAD WILL HAVE SOME CONNECTORS, BUT THAT'S GONNA LOWER OUR COST TO GET THROUGHPUT THROUGH HERE.

THAT'S HELPFUL. BUT WE STILL MAINTAIN FLORENCE AND FOUGHT AND EVELYN AND WE'LL HAVE SOME WORK TO DO ON EVELYN. ALL THAT BEING SAID. IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO COVER THE COSTS. BUT IT'S ALSO A RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE WE GET MATCH IT RIGHT. SO BOTH OF THOSE HAVE TO BE ACCOMPLISHED.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS I JUST WANT TO CAUTION. THE COUNCIL IS IN TRYING TO STEER THE DECISION ON ROAD IMPACT FEES AND TIRED TO USE WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT. IF WE DO THAT, THEN WE VIOLATE THE SPIRIT OF THE PURPOSE OF FOR WHICH WE HAVE AUTHORITY. WE DON'T HAVE AUTHORITY TO DICTATE THE USE. WE ONLY HAVE AUTHORITY TO CHARGE THE RIGHT AMOUNT. AND WE HAVE TO GET THAT RIGHT. AND WE HAVE TO GET THAT RIGHT NOT BECAUSE OF ITS A CHURCH, BUT BECAUSE IT'S PROPERTY AND WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO BE FAIR TO EVERYBODY. NOW. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE. AND SO, PASTOR BEN, AS I TOLD YOU, THIS IS THE MOMENT WHERE WE START TO GET TO THAT POINT AT WHICH HOW DO WE FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO TONIGHT? BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A CHALLENGE HERE. I DON'T HAVE NUMBERS. AND SO SINCE I DON'T HAVE NUMBERS, ONE OF THE THINGS I'M GOING TO SAY TONIGHT IS I CAN'T MAKE A DECISION ON THIS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOUR NUMBER IS REASONABLE OR NOT. BUT THE WAY TO GET TO THAT IS BY WORKING WITH OUR STAFF, POTENTIALLY TO DEFINE A CATEGORY AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WE BELIEVE IS THE RIGHT TRIP COUNT FOR CHURCHES. WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT I HAD. I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT PRECEDENT HERE AND THEN I ASKED OUR STAFF ABOUT IT. I SAID, SO. HOW MANY CHURCHES HAVE WE SEEN BUILT IN NORTHLAKE? THE ANSWER IS ZERO. I WAS LIKE, OH, THAT DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. AND TELL ME WE GOT NO CHURCHES IN NORTHLAKE DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT MAKES SENSE. WELL, I ACTUALLY HAVE THREE OF THREE IN THE AREA. CLOSE. BUT TWO OF THEM ARE NORTH, LIKE E. T J ONE WAS EXISTING FOR A WHILE AGO, THE UCC AND THEN WE GOT FELLOWSHIP WITH THE PARKS, AND THEY DON'T PAY ROUTE IMPACT FEES BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE TJ. AND THEY'RE ON FOR 407, WHICH IS A STATE ROAD. FROM THE ST PETER CHURCH DOWN 114. THEY CAME INTO THE CAME INTO THE TOWN BY ANNEXATION, VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION , AND SO THEY WERE ALREADY PRE ESTABLISHED, SO THEY DON'T PAY ANY FEES, EITHER, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY PRECEDENT FOR THIS, SO AT LEAST THAT'S NOT THERE. BECAUSE IF WE HAD CHARGED PASTOR JUSTIN BACK HERE. A LOT OF MONEY FOR FELLOWSHIP OF THE PARKS, AND WE HAVE A PROBLEM. IF YOU HAD TO PAY THAT RATE. SO THAT WASN'T ONE I COULD USE TO HELP GUIDE MY THINKING ON THIS. BUT I WANT TO WRAP UP MY COMMENTS HERE BECAUSE I THINK I'VE TALKED ENOUGH ABOUT THIS AND LET THE REST OF THE COUNCIL GET IN ON THIS, BUT I DO

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FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT WE DO NOT MAKE A DECISION BASED ON JUST NEGOTIATION. I'M JUST GUESSING. BECAUSE WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT. WE DON'T FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT OR BY USING POLITICAL LEVERAGE. TO KEEP YOU FROM GETTING TO WHERE YOU NEED TO BE NEITHER ONE OF THOSE NOT OUR JOB TO FIGURE OUT IF THIS IS ECONOMICAL FOR YOU, IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO FIGURE OUT IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT. IT'S OUR JOB TO MAKE SURE WE RECOVER THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF ASSETS TO BUILD THE ROADS IN THE AREA. AND IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO TELL YOU. YOU CAN'T BUILD ON THIS PROPERTY. BUT YOU'VE HEARD ALL THE YOU KNOW THE CHALLENGES WITH IT. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE CHALLENGES THAT HAPPENED WITH EVERY CHURCH PROPERTY THAT GOES IN, BUT THAT'S PROTECTED BY THE CONSTITUTION. SO YOU CAN DO THIS. IF YOU WANT TO PAY FOR IT. NOW I THINK OUR STAFF DID A PROFESSIONAL JOB ON THIS. I WANT TO COMMEND THEM ON THIS BECAUSE THIS IS A TOUGH CALL, AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S HARD TO SEND THE BILL LIKE THAT. TO AN ENTITY THAT MAY THAT MAY BE A LOT OF STICKER SHOCK. SO I DO HAVE AN INTEREST IN FIGURING OUT IF WE WERE ABLE TO STEP BACK FROM THIS PROCESS AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE TOWN AND SAY WHAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR A CATEGORY? THAT'S ONE THING THAT WOULD SUPPORT UM, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE ZONE IS NOT GOING TO BE CHEAP. NO MATTER IF WE FIND THE CATEGORY, IT'S STILL GOING TO BE A VERY EXPENSIVE ZONE. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT MIGHT AFFECT THESE NUMBERS. IT PROBABLY WILL BE FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT. BUT I CAN'T TELL YOU IT'S GOING TO ANYWHERE CLOSE TO OTHER TOWNS AND I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT'S GOING TO BE EVEN COMPETITIVE WITH THE REST OF THE TOWN BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY THE ZONES WORK ZONE IS EMPTY. AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF ROADS TO BE BUILT. AND SO THAT AREA HAS TO SUPPORT ITSELF. AND UNFORTUNATELY, YOU'RE PICKING A USE THAT WASN'T PLANNED FOR UP THERE. AND SO THAT'S WHY ALL THE COSTS FALLS ON THE FEW THAT MIGHT TRY TO ATTEMPT TO DO THIS. THAT SAID, I WANT THE REST OF THE COUNCIL TO WEIGH IN. THAT'S MY CASE SO FAR IS THAT IT'S WE DON'T HAVE A CATEGORY FOR IT. THAT'S A PROBLEM THAT WE NEED TO RESOLVE. OTHER THAN THAT THE NUMBERS ARE WHAT THE NUMBERS WILL BE. IN MY MIND. GOOD. UM. I GOTTA AGREE WITH THE MAYOR ON ONE POINT, UM I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD TAKE IT FACE VALUE. THE.

EXPERT OPINION. I THINK MORE NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT. UM KIND OF LIKE A COURT CASE WHERE EACH SIDE BRINGS IN OUR SUBJECT MATTER. EXPERT EVERYBODY HAS LITTLE. FAVORITISM ON ONE SIDE OR ANOTHER. UM I JUST THINK THE DISPARITY BETWEEN. WHAT THE TOWN PRESENTED FOR THE IMPACT FEE AND WHAT THE. CHURCHES CONSULTANT PROVIDED IS JUST JUST TOO GREAT. IT'S JUST THEY'RE BOTH OUT OF WHACK AND. WAS OUR IMPACT FEE BASED ON 11,000 SQUARE FEET, OR IS IT GOING TO BE BASED ON 17,000? THAT'S ANOTHER QUESTION. I HAVE, BUT IN THAT REGARD BASED ON THAT AND WHAT THE MAYOR SAID

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ABOUT POSSIBLY LOOKING AT ANOTHER. CALCULATION. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE APPEAL AS PRESENTED THIS EVENING AND LOOK AT IT LATER ON. OKAY, SO YOU'RE WELCOME TO MAKE MOTIONS IS OPEN FOR, UM I NEED TO TAKE A SECOND ON THAT, AND THEN WE CAN GO BACK TO DISCUSSION AGAIN. SO IS THERE A SECOND TO DENY APPEAL OUT 2ND 10? HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR SESSIONS. ALL RIGHT, DID YOU HAVE TO SPEAK YES, I DID. ACTUALLY UM, I AGREE THAT THIS IS DEFINITELY BROUGHT TO LIGHT A SITUATION THAT WE HAVE AND NEED TO LOOK AT MORE CLOSELY AS FAR AS THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. AND IF WE NEED TO ADD CATEGORIES WE NEED TO DO SO. BUT I DEFINITELY DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE. JUST GRANTING TONIGHT. UM I DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE TO MAKE DECISIONS LIKE THAT. AND I THINK STAFF HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB. SO IF WE CAN GO BACK AND REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT THIS, I THINK AT A LATER TIME WOULD BE THE BEST TIME TO MAKE A DECISION. THIS ONE IS PRETTY HEAVY ON ME HERE BECAUSE I ALSO SPENT MY LIFE IN THE CHURCH AND PARTICIPATING IN CHURCH FOR A LONG TIME IN CHURCH PLANTING IS IMPORTANT. I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND AND CHURCHES UNDERSTAND. THAT NOT ONLY IS THIS A RURAL RESIDENTIAL AREA IT'S A CONSERVATION WORLD OVERLAY AREA. WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE MOST RESERVED AREA OF OUR TOWN. UH THAT BEING SAID INTO THE MAYOR'S POINT. WE CAN'T MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT THE RIGHTS OF THE CHURCH. TO OPERATE WHERE THEY CHOOSE TO OPERATE. THIS ROAD IS DEADLY DANGEROUS. DEADLY DANGEROUS. AND I WOULD BE SCARED DEATH FOR YOUR PARISHIONERS. COMING IN AND OUT OF THAT PROPERTY. UM. DREW WHAT WAS THE COST? BEFORE WE GOT THE COUNTY TO COVER STRAIGHTER ROAD? WHAT WAS OUR APPROXIMATE COST ON THAT ROAD TO RE REBUILD? I MEAN, I THINK IN THE BOND PROGRAM, IT'S

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7 MILLION YEAH. AND THAT'S PROBABLY LIGHT NOW, WITH ALL THE COST INCREASE. AND OUR INTERSECTIONS AND OTHER THINGS HERE. I BELIEVE THE COMMERCIAL IS APPROPRIATE. I DO BELIEVE THAT CATEGORY IS APPROPRIATE. I KNOW SOMETIMES DO IT DIFFERENTLY, AND THEY DO INSTITUTIONAL IN THIS PARTICULAR ZONE. I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF THE OTHER. SOUNDS THAT WE HAVE FIT OR ANY OF THE OTHER TYPES THAT WE HAVE FIT, AND I DON'T BELIEVE ABDICATING TO A DIFFERENT ZONE.

MAKES SENSE. EITHER COMMERCIAL ZONE, IN MY OPINION IS APPROPRIATE. CHURCH THAT I ATTEND HIRES POLICE OFFICERS TO STOP TRAFFIC EVERY SINGLE SUNDAY EVERY SINGLE SERVICE. AND NOW WHAT ON THAT CURVE WOULD BE FREE. SCARED DEATH FOR POLICE OFFICERS LIVES. IT IS. I DON'T FEEL IT'S A GOOD SITE. I DON'T FEEL SAFE AND THAT'S WHY I'M BEING CALLED TO TALK ABOUT IS SAFETY. SAFETY FOR YOU. SAFETY FOR PARISHIONERS SAFETY FAIR TOWN, BUT IN TERMS OF THE FEE, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS THE COMMERCIAL CATEGORIES, ONLY ONE THAT WE HAVE IN OUR ARSENAL TODAY, AND I BELIEVE EVEN IF WE CREATE A NEW NEW ONE FOR INSTITUTIONAL. I DON'T SEE THAT IMPACT CHANGING IN MY EYES. WHICH IS UNFORTUNATE FOR YOU AND YOUR CHURCH. BUT THAT'S THAT'S HOW I SEE THIS CASE. I THINK WE SHOULD DEFINITELY LOOK AT SOME OTHER CATEGORIES. TWO AND SEE IF WE CAN GET IN LINE WITH OTHER TOWNS OF SIMILAR SIZES HAVE SIMILAR ZONES. ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I FEEL LIKE THESE NUMBERS. THERE ARE WE'RE PRETTY WILD ALL OVER THE PLACE, SO I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE A DEEPER, DEEPER DIVE INTO THE NUMBERS AND SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT MAKES MORE SENSE. QUESTION THE CHURCH MOVED DOWN TO THE OTHER SIDE OF FOUGHT. IT ENDS UP IN THE NORTHEAST ZONE. WHAT'S THE RELATIVE DIFFERENCE IN THE COMMERCIAL CATEGORY BETWEEN THE NORTH EAST SOUTH AND NORTHWEST SOUND? NORTHEAST, UM. YOU GO FROM 53,000 PER 1000 SQUARE FOOT, TOO. 15,000 PER. 1000 SQUARE FEET 53 IN THE NORTHWEST, AND IT'S 15 IN THE NORTHEAST. YEAH SO QUARTER OR NO. MAYBE 3RD 3RD OF THE COST. SO IF THE CHURCHES A MILE DOWN FORWARD FLORIDA ROADS AND ROAD. THIS WOULD BE ABOUT 150 TO $200,000. IF THERE'S A WILLING SELLER. SURE. YEAH. YEAH, OKAY. ALRIGHT, SO.

THAT'S WHY I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT OUR ZONES AND THE WAY THIS MATH WORKS IS NOT ALWAYS APPROPRIATE. AND SO THERE ARE REASONS WHY THERE'S AN APPEAL PROCESS THAT SAID, I DON'T LIKE CHANGING ON THE FLY. SO WHILE WE CAN CALCULATE WHAT WOULD BE IN ANOTHER ZONE, WE STILL HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT THE EXPENSES ARE IN THAT ZONE AND MAKE SURE WE'RE STILL COVERING OUR COSTS WITH A $9 MILLION ROAD COMING IN FOR ROBES AND RANCH THAT CERTAINLY HELPS OUR AREA BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT. AND FLORENCE IS IN GOOD SHAPE. THOUGHTS BEEN PAID FOR WE'VE GOT EVELYN LEFT. SO BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY FAIR TO TAKE YOU KNOW A PROJECT ONE PART OF TOWN AND SAY IT'S GOING TO HAVE THIS TRAFFIC FLOW PUT IN ANOTHER PART OF TOWN AND THEN SAY, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO TRIPLE YOUR ROAD FEES BECAUSE THE COST TO SERVE. DOESN'T CHANGE THAT DRAMATICALLY IN ONE PART OF THE TOWN TO THE OTHER. BUT ALL THE COMMENTS ARE CORRECT FROM THE COUNSELORS. IT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE PLANNING FOR A PURPOSE. UH THAT WE PLAN FOR ROADS IN A CERTAIN AREA TO BE COVERED BY THE COST OF DEVELOPMENT THAT AREA SO THAT'S THE WAY THE LAW WORKS MAY NOT BE VERY, VERY FAIR. BUT I AM OPEN TO THE IDEA OF LOOKING AT ANOTHER CATEGORY BECAUSE OF THE HIGH VARIABILITY. BECAUSE WHEN WE LOOK AT OTHER CITIES AND THINGS THEY'RE NOT CHARGING NEAR AS MUCH. WE STILL HAVE TO COVER OUR COSTS, BUT WE STILL NEED TO BE FAIR. AND ALSO BECAUSE YOU GO DOWN THE STREET AND BE A DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT COSTS. SO YOU MIGHT LOOK DOWN THE STREET.

A MILE AND THAT MIGHT HELP. THAT SAID. I UNDERSTAND IF IT'S NOT AVAILABLE, NOT AVAILABLE, SO WE WILL DO OUR JOB TO PROFESSIONALLY EVALUATE THE SITE AND ALL MEANS AND, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS EVERY ISSUE THROUGH THIS PROCESS, BUT THE LEGAL PROCESS HERE TONIGHT YOU KNOW, THE COUNSELORS GET TO APPEAL THIS. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE IT'S HEADED BASED ON THE OPINIONS. I THINK THE ONLY DIRECTION I NEED FROM THE COUNCIL BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE. IT JUST BE VERY CLEAR.

IF WE'RE DENYING THIS. WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU WANT TO SEE? DO YOU WANT TO SEE A NEW CATEGORY AND HAVE STAFF EVALUATE IT AND GET A PROPOSAL BASED ON TRAFFIC COUNTS? WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, WHICH COULD BE FAIRLY INVOLVED I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR TIME IS WELL SPENT, AND WE'RE SENDING OUR STAFF OFF TO DO SOMETHING APPROPRIATE THAT

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WILL APPLY TO THE TOWN AS A WHOLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A CATEGORY FOR INSTITUTIONAL OR FOR CHURCH. I NEED THAT DEFINED HERE TONIGHT. IT MAY NOT BE JUST CHURCH. IT MIGHT BE INSTITUTIONAL. SO THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT I'M GOING TO NEED FROM ALL OF YOU TO WEIGH IN ON BECAUSE I DON'T WANT US TO COME BACK MULTIPLE TIMES AFTER CLARIFY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET AND NARROW THE SCOPE TOO FAR THAT SHOULD BE BROAD BASED, SHOULD BE FOR THE TOWN. WE SHOULD ONLY DO THIS ONCE SO WE CAN SET THE RIGHT PRECEDENT FOR ANYTHING COMING IN THE FUTURE, SO WE'RE NOT DOING THIS AS A ONE OFF. GOOD. ONE OTHER POINT HERE, LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS. THIS IS RURAL RESIDENTIAL. SO LET'S SAY WE HAD SOME HOUSES ON THERE. OKAY IT'S 10 ACRES. LET'S SAY WE CHANGED THE ZONING, TWO ACRE LOTS. YOU'D BE LOOKING AT JUST HOUSE CAR TRIPS. IN THE $50,000 RANGE. OKAY BUT THAT'S ONE CAR. SO NOW LET'S TAKE THOSE HOUSES AND MAKE THE CAR TRIPS. ALRIGHT? I HEARD SOME CARS. 200 CARS. EVERYONE CALCULATE THAT OUT. SPLIT THAT UP SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, SO IT'S MORE FAIR AND EQUITABLE. YOU'RE STILL CLOSE TO $500,000. SO EVEN IF THIS WAS RESIDENTIAL BY THE DWELLING UNIT. WE'RE STILL GETTING UP THERE. AND THAT THAT'S THAT'S MY CONCERN. FOR THIS AREA IS YOU SEE, PUTTING FOUR DRIVEWAYS. OUT THERE. CAN YOU CAN WE SEE? IT JUST DOESN'T COMPUTE TO ME BECAUSE THIS CHURCH IS A COMMERCIAL BUILDING. ANY CHURCH I'VE EVER ATTENDED IS A COMMERCIAL BUILDING. AND THAT'S THE CATEGORY THAT FITS IN MY EYES. ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'VE ALL GOTTEN OUT WHAT WE INTENDED TO SAY. LET'S GET THE VOTE OVER WITH, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE. SO WE WORKED THROUGH THAT BECAUSE I KNOW THIS IS A SENSITIVE ISSUE, SO I WANTED EVERYBODY TO LAY OUT A FRAMEWORK FOR WHAT WE NEED TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO GO DOING GOING FORWARD AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL HAD COMMENTS ON THE RECORDS THAT WE CAN COME BACK TO THIS AND DO IT THE RIGHT WAY. SO THE VOTES ON THE TABLE LET'S TAKE THE VOTE. SO MOTION TO DENY HIS IN A SECOND IS UP, SO LET'S TAKE THE BOAT. ABOUT IT, AND I A BUTTON. PRESSURE PRESSURE BUTTON. RIGHT? OKAY? AND THEN SAFE. ALRIGHT VOTES UNANIMOUS TO DENY THE PEELED AND ASK STAFF TO TAKE A LOOK AT A CATEGORY. INSTITUTIONAL INSTITUTIONAL ALRIGHT. BROAD BASED CATEGORY.

HOW WIDE OPEN IS INSTITUTIONAL. ITS SCHOOLS, UM CHURCHES. UM YOU DIDN'T HAVE IT. HOSPITALS LIBRARIES, LIBRARIES? YEAH, THAT THAT SEEMS VERY BROAD TO ME AS WELL BECAUSE THE SCHOOL CAN HAVE 2000 CAR TRIPS A DAY. BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE. YEP THAT'S ALL. YEAH. YOU ASKING TO GO MORE NARROW? ARE YOU ASKING TO GO MORE BROAD? YOU WANT TO STICK TO THE CHURCH? I WANT TO STICK TO COMMERCIAL AS WELL. THAT'S WHY I FEEL IS APPROPRIATE. BUT I'M ONLY ONE OF THE PEOPLE HERE SO SECONDHAND. SO LET ME LET ME CLARIFY THEN. OKAY I'M IN FAVOR OF TAKING A LOOK AT A CATEGORY.

WE'VE HEARD A LITTLE COMMENTS TO THAT. BUT NOW I'VE HEARD TWO COMMENTS THAT SAY WE DON'T WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE IF YOU DON'T WANT TO CONSIDER ANOTHER CATEGORY AT THIS POINT. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? OKAY, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. OKAY, THAT'S TOO WHO ELSE? WANTS TO WAIT. SO YOU'RE SAYING NO, NO MORE CATEGORIES. OKAY, AND YOU ALRIGHT AND YOU THREE. OKAY THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S A BIT OF A PROBLEM WITHOUT AARON THE TIEBREAK. ASHLEY. YOU'RE JUST GIVING DIRECTIONS. I KNOW, BUT WE'RE SPLIT HALFWAY. SO WHAT ARE WE TELLING HER STAFF TO DO? NOTHING. YOU GUYS CAN WORK OUT. YEAH. THIS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ACTION ON THAT. WE CAN. YOU KNOW, WE CAN BRING YOU A BRIEFING, AND THEN YOU GIVE YOU SIDE BY SIDE. YOU'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THAT YOU CAN SEND TO A BRIEFING. I THINK THAT'S BETTER BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THAT REPRESENTATIVE. YES WE'RE ASKING FOR DIRECTION FOR A FUTURE ACTION AND YOU DENIED, SO THIS WILL BE A BRIEFING TO BRING FORWARD ADDITIONAL CATEGORIES. UM BRIEFING, AND THEN WE CAN CHOOSE TO TAKE ACTION EXACTLY AT A LATER TIME. NO ACTION REQUIRED AT THE BRIEFING, UM FOR CLARIFICATION. WE USE. THE EXISTING STUDIES, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND TRIP

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GENERATION. WE JUST TAKE ALL THE EXISTING DATA AND ADD A FEW SOME ADDITIONAL CATEGORIES TO IT DOING THE WHOLE THING WOULD WOULD TAKE US A LOT MORE MONEY AND MORE TIME. SO IF THAT'S OKAY THAT YOU AGREED THAT MAKES SENSE. I DON'T I'M NOT ASKING FOR USING WHOLE NEW STUDY, OKAY? IT'S ALL RIGHT DOWN. OKAY OKAY. SO NOW WE'VE GOT A MAJORITY THAT SAY WE CAN DO A BRIEFING, AND THEY'LL TAKE A LOOK AT A QUICK, QUICKLY FRAMING OF A COUPLE CATEGORIES. BRIEFING AND FOLLOW UP FROM THAT BRIEFING. SHOULD BE DO WE WANT TO TAKE ACTION AT A FUTURE MEETING? OKAY? ALRIGHT, WE HAVE DIRECTION. IT'S 702 PM I KNOW WE TOOK A WHILE ON THAT APOLOGIZE. DO YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE FROM US? GOT YOUR ANSWER FOR NOW. THAT MEANS FOR US, AND THEN. IT MEANS THAT THE CURRENT PROPOSED RATE IS THE RATE. IF YOU WISH TO MOVE FORWARD AT THIS TIME, OTHERWISE YOU'LL HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL AN UNCERTAIN TIME FRAME AS TO WHEN WE CAN WORK THROUGH CATEGORIES AND IF THERE ARE IS A CHANGE IN THE CATEGORY THAT CAN APPLY UNDER THAT CATEGORY. BUT THE APPEAL'S BEEN DENIED FOR THIS TIME. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR WORKING THROUGH THE PROCESS. I'M SURE THAT'S A DISAPPOINTMENT. ALRIGHT UH, WE'VE GOT MORE WORK TO DO SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENTS.

[5.B. Consider a Resolution of the Town of Northlake, Texas, to cast Northlake's votes for a member or members of the Board of Directors of the Denton Central Appraisal District]

ITEM B RESOLUTION IN TOWN, NORTHLAKE CAST NORTH LAKES VOTES FOR A MEMBER OF MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE D CAD. WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE. I THINK WE SPENT A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME MEETING SOME PEOPLE. WE VOTED FOR A COUPLE OF THESE PEOPLE LAST YEAR COUNSELORS. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO WITH THIS? I DO HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOU. BUT I WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU FIRST. IN CASE YOU WANT TO GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. ALRIGHT? NOTHING. CAN NO COMMENTS, OKAY? I FORGET EXACTLY HOW WE VOTED LAST YEAR. I JUST KNOW THAT THERE WAS TWO PEOPLE IN PARTICULAR THAT I WAS RECOMMENDING THEY WERE NEW, AND THE GOAL WAS TO CHANGE UP THE DE CADA LITTLE BIT AND GET SOME NEW REPRESENTATION. BOTH THOSE TWO HAVE DONE A JOB THAT I APPROVE OF. I DON'T KNOW A COUPLE OF THE NEW ONES ON THE LIST. I DO KNOW THE EXISTING MEMBERS OF THE BORDER ON HERE. THERE'S SEVERAL OF THEM THE TWO THAT I RECOMMEND TO USE ALEX BUCK AND MCCOLL. AND . AND YES AND ALEX OR THE TO RECOMMEND TO YOU SINCE I'M NOT HEARING A LOT OF AND PUT ON THIS

[5.B. VOTE]

ONE. I'M JUST GONNA THROW THE MOTION OUT THERE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH IT. I'D RECOMMEND SIX FOR ALEX BUCK AND FIVE FOR HAND PALM ECOLE. SECOND ALRIGHT, HAVE EMOTION IN A SECOND.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? CONCERNS WE HAVE 11 OUT OF 5000 VOTES. THIS IS PROBABLY GONNA BE LESS THAN A ROUNDING ERROR. ANYTHING. ALRIGHT, LET'S VOTE. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. ITEM C

[5.C. Consider a Resolution of the Town of Northlake, Texas authorizing the Town Manager to enter into an interlocal agreement with the Belmont Freshwater Supply District No. 1 for Police Services, to be effective commencing Februrary 1, 2024 and ending October 2, 2027]

RESOLUTION IN TOWN, NORTHLAKE AUTHORIZED HIM MANAGER AND INTO AN INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH BELMONT FRESHWATER SUPPLY DISTRICT POLICE SERVICES TO BE EFFECTIVE FEBRUARY 1ST 2024 AND ENDING OCTOBER 2ND 2027. I JUST NOTICED YOU'RE HERE. WELCOME BACK. ARE WE HERE HERE? WE GOT THIS. WE GOT THIS READY TO GO. CAN YOU? CAN YOU COME DOWN AND SAY THAT? I JUST WANT THAT ON THE RECORD IF YOU DON'T MIND. YEP. APPRECIATE IT. SO WHERE I'M ASKING THESE ARE TWO REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE BOARD FROM BELMONT FRESHWATER SUPPLY DISTRICT HERE TONIGHT. KENDALL AND PATRICIA AND I'M ASKING WHAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF FRESHWATER SUPPLY DISTRICT WITH REGARD TO THE PROPOSED POLICE SERVICES HAS BEEN NEGOTIATED BY MYSELF AND THE STAFF FOR AND YOU ALL FOR QUITE A WHILE. NOW, THE PROPOSAL THAT YOU'VE BEEN PRESENTED WITH AND THAT WE HAVE HERE TONIGHT TO DISCUSS HOUSE. WHAT SAY AGAIN. YOUR ANSWER ON THAT BOARD VOTED AT THE LAST MEETING 520 TO HAVE AN OFFICIAL AGREEMENT DRAFTED WITH THE DETAILS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF YOU, STARTING AT $22 A HOME A MONTH ESCALATING UP TO 25 OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS AND COINCIDING WITH THE END DATE. WHERE THE WHOLE, UM MASTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WILL BE RENEGOTIATED. WE HAVE UNANIMOUS VOTE, WHICH WE WERE VERY EXCITED ABOUT. CONGRATULATIONS. UM SO STANDBY. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO SAY? WITH REGARD TO THE PROPOSAL? WE MAY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, BUT AT THIS TIME, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION AND FOR YOUR PATIENTS WORKING WITH US. ALRIGHT. APPRECIATE IT. EVERYTHING THAT COUNCIL AND

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YOU'VE DONE PRETTY GOOD. I APPRECIATE THAT. SO YOU ALL TAKE A SEAT. IF YOU LIKE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAND THERE. I NEED STAFF TO HELP ME. REMEMBER THE COMPONENTS OF THIS THAT HAVE CHANGED SINCE THE LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE KEY POINTS OF THIS ARE ON THE TABLE. YOU'VE HEARD THE RATES, WHICH WERE THE SAME AS JUST DISCUSSED A MONTH AGO. I BELIEVE IT WAS BUT THERE'S BEEN SOME FINER POINT DETAILS. LOTS OF LEGALESE IF YOU WILL ON THE CONTRACT ITSELF, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE KEY POINTS ARE ON THE TABLE. AND OF COURSE, THERE'S NO OBLIGATION BASED ON WHAT STAFF AND I HAVE NEGOTIATED COUNCIL. THIS IS YOUR AGREEMENT, BUT WE ARE I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT WE ARE BACK DEALING WITH FRESH WATER SUPPLY, JUST BELMONT FRESHWATER SUPPLY DISTRICT. WHERE WE ENDED UP WAS TO PROPOSE A CONTRACT WITH THE H O A AND THAT'S WHERE WE HAD LEFT OFF AFTER OUR LAST MEETING, AND IN THE CIRCLES THAT HAVE GONE AROUND. WE'VE ENDED UP BACK WITH BELMONT, ASKING US TO MAKE THAT CONTRACT WITH THEM. POINT OUT.

YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF YOU'RE WRONG, THAT THE PRINCIPAL REASON FOR THAT CHANGE, I BELIEVE, AS I HEARD IS THAT IF THROUGH THE H O A. IT WOULD BE A RATE THAT WOULD BE THE SAME FOR EVERY PROPERTY WITHIN. THE DISTRICT. UNLIKE TODAY, WHERE LARGER VALUE HOMES HIGHER VALUE HOMES PAY A LITTLE MORE BECAUSE IT'S A TAX THROUGH BELMONT, AND SO THEREFORE THIS IS A MORE PROGRESSIVE APPLICATION OF COST BASED ON VALUE OF THE HOME RATHER THAN A EQUAL AMOUNT CHARGED TO EVERYBODY. SO THAT'S WHAT FRESH WATER SUPPLY DISTRICT. ON BEHALF OF THEIR COMMUNITY. THEY'VE GOTTEN FEEDBACK AND SAID WE'D RATHER HAVE IT THIS WAY IS MY UNDERSTANDING. IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'RE BACK DEALING WITH BELMONT FRESHWATER SUPPLY DISTRICT AND THEY LIKE THIS AGREEMENT, AND SO THEREFORE NOW STAFF. CAN YOU REMIND ME OF THE COMPONENTS OF THIS THAT WE'VE CHANGED? UM YOU CAN WAY INTO MAYOR BECAUSE YOU DID A LOT OF THIS. WE ARE GOING TO INCORPORATE THEM IN OUR LICENSE PLATE READERS SYSTEM. WE ARE GOING TO PROVIDE UM, SIMILAR SCHOOL CROSSING GUARD TO SIMILARLY SITUATED SCHOOL DISTRICTS. UM. THERE IS, UM. A LITTLE BIT MORE RE ENHANCED REPORTING. UM BUT I THINK WE FOUND A HAPPY MEDIAN. UM BETWEEN TWO TO GET THEM THE INFORMATION THEY NEED TO BE SIMILAR TO WHAT'S PROVIDED COUNSEL AND A MONTHLY AND QUARTERLY BASIS. UM. WE DO HAVE AND IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THIS TERM ENDS AND TO COINCIDE WITH THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. WHAT ELSE YOU GOT? WHO HAS MY BACK AND FORTH? THE MAYOR PRO TEM? WAS THAT SOME OF THESE MEETINGS AS WELL? YES SIR. UNFORTUNATELY, HOW IS THAT SOME OF THESE MEETINGS? UM OKAY? TO THIS END UP BEING A QUARTERLY PAYMENT AGREEMENT. UH HOW WE FINALIZE ITS AND IT'S BACK TO QUARTERLY WHICH WOULD IT WAS ORIGINALLY AND THAT HELPS WITH THEIR SITUATION. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT IMPERATIVE THAT WE HAVE IT MONTHLY OR QUARTERLY SO THAT THAT'S FINE WITH OUR FINANCES AND WE'RE COUNTING THE HOMES IN WHICH MANNER, SIR, THEY'RE COUNTING THE NUMBER OF HOMES IN WHAT MANNER? UM AND THEY'RE REPORTING TO US. I BELIEVE THESE ARE OCCUPIED HOMES, BUT. YEAH THEN THAT'S IN WHEATON. THE DEVELOPERS SHARES THAT WITH US AS WELL, SO THERE'S IT COMES, YEAH. COMES DIRECTLY FROM A THIRD PARTY IF YOU WILL, AND WE CAN DO VALIDATION BASED ON NUMBER OF WATER ACCOUNTS. WATER COUNTS. BUILDING PERMITS. YEAH WE CAN. WE CAN DEFINITELY VERIFY THROUGH OUR OWN DATA, OKAY? WHY ARE WE DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN OCCUPIED HOMES AND NON OCCUPIED HOMES? I MEAN, IF THERE'S A HOME THAT'S A MODEL HOME THAT GETS BURGLARIZED. NORTH LIKE POLICE ARE GOING TO RESPOND EITHER WAY, CORRECT. YES. SO. WHY ARE WE DIFFERENTIATING AGAIN BETWEEN OCCUPIED? THAT'S WHAT WAS NEGOTIATED. BUT IT'S YOUR AGREEMENT SO YOU CAN I DIDN'T AGREE THAT. UM MY LAST QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION JUST TO SEE WHERE THINGS LANDED. SMILE. OKAY? YOUR LAST POINT OF CLARIFICATION TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHERE THINGS LANDED. WE TALKED ABOUT THE SCHOOL CROSSING GUARDS, YOU SAID SIMILARLY SITUATED. ONE OF MY POINTS WAS THAT OUR GOAL. I S D HAS A POLICE FORCE. THEY SHOULD BE PROVIDING THE CROSSING GUARDS AND THAT'S UP TO THE SCHOOL TO DO SO. THEY JUST DON'T SEEM TO REALIZE THAT YET. UM WITH THAT BEING SAID, IF ARE WE AT A POINT

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HERE IN THIS CONTRACT? WHERE IF THE SCHOOL DISSOLVES OUR POLICE FORCE, THEN WE PROVIDE PRESSING GUARDS SIMILAR IN NORTHWEST. I S D. THAT'S THE WORDING. YES, SIR. OKAY THANK YOU. AND THE HOMES ARE COUNTED MONTHLY. THERE'S A MONTHLY UPDATE OF THOSE. THE PAYMENTS MADE QUARTERLY, SO SORRY. THANKS, CHIEF. THERE'S A LITTLE NUANCE TO THAT. ANSWER THAT'S GREAT MODEL HOME BECOMES SOLD. KIDS ON THE ROLLS. YES SIR. YOU MENTIONED LICENSE PLATE READERS WHO'S FRONTING THE COST FOR THOSE THE TOWN OF NORTH LAKE. YES. WHY. WHAT ARE WE GOING? WHAT WAS NEGOTIATED? WE CALCULATED THE COST OF THE COMPONENTS OF THIS AND THEN ALLOCATED IT OUT. WELL, I MEAN, WE'RE ALREADY 50% OF THE NORTH LIKE PRESIDENT, FACED WITH POLICE SERVICES AND NOW WE'RE THROWING CAMERAS ON TOP OF THAT TOWN EXPENSE. MIKE IT'S NOT TOWN EXPENSE, SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION ON THIS, AND THAT'S FINE. DISAGREE WITH IT ALL DAY LONG. THEY ARE PAYING FOR ALL THE SERVICES THAT THEY'RE CONSUMING. WHICH INCLUDES THE COST OF THE CAMERAS. ARE WE WRITING THE CHECK? YES WE'RE GOING TO RECOVER THAT WITH THEIR PAYMENTS. YEAH NO, AND I APOLOGIZE. IT WASN'T CLEAR WHEN IT WAS SAID. WE'VE CALCULATED THE COST OF ALL THE SERVICES.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO TREAT THEM EXACTLY THE WAY WE DO THE REST OF THE TOWN FROM A COVERAGE STANDPOINT. AND WHAT IS THE COST OF THAT? IT'S BEEN CALCULATED AT FOUR OFFICERS NEEDED TO COVER THAT AREA. THEY DON'T PAY FOR OPEN SPACES. THEY DON'T PAY FOR COMMERCIAL AREAS THEY DON'T PAY FOR RURAL AREAS ON UNOCCUPIED AREAS. THEY'RE PAYING FOR THE SERVICES NECESSARY TO PROTECT THE SQUARE MILE OR SO, BUT IT IS HARVEST. SO THEY DON'T SHARE IN THE COST OF ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. WE PAY FOR THE WHOLE TOWN. WE PAY FOR EVERYTHING WE HAVE CONTROL OF. THEY DON'T GET TO VOTE. THEY COME INTO THE TOWN. THEY PAY OUR RATES. THIS IS A CONTRACT BASED ON WHAT DOES IT COST TO SERVE? WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR PROFIT, WHICH WE CERTAINLY CAN. BUT THIS IS WHERE WE GOT TO WAS COST TO SERVE. HAMMERED THAT OUT, AND THIS IS AS CLOSE AS I CAN GET IT TO. WHAT I BELIEVE. IT'S FAIR TO NORTH LAKE AND GIVES US THE BENEFIT OF MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO PROVIDE SIMILAR COVERAGE, WHICH TO ME IS VALUABLE BECAUSE THERE'S A LACK OF COVERAGE AND HARVEST. IT BECOMES A TARGET. AND THEN THERE ARE FOLLOW ON TARGETS THAT HAPPENED WHEN THOSE GANGS AND BURGLARS START ROBBING HARVEST STILL HIT THE CON SQUARE, THE HOOK CANYON FALLS ON THE WAY. AND SO PROTECTING THE AREA PROTECTS NORTHLAKE. SO THAT'S THAT'S THE PREMISE FOR HOW I NEGOTIATED THIS. BUT I AS LONG AS WE UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE COMPONENTS I DON'T MIND IF YOU TELL ME THAT I DIDN'T CALCULATE IT, RIGHT? I DON'T MIND IF YOU TELL ME THAT I JUST DON'T LIKE IT. I DON'T MIND IF YOU VOTE AGAINST IT AS COMPLETELY YOUR DECISION. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR ON HOW WE CAME TO THIS POINT. JUST THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT'S ALL. SO THANKS. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND THAT ANY FURTHER

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DISCUSSION. UM I ACTUALLY HAVE TO ADD SOMETHING. SO I'M CROSSING GUARDS. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT CROSSING GUARDS. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT BARGAIN LSD DOESN'T PROVIDE THEM . THERE'S WE CAN HAVE A FOLLOW ON CONVERSATION ABOUT NOT NECESSARILY COVERING THE COST OF THEM, BUT DEFINITELY AS FAR AS PUTTING ANOTHER UNDER OUR UMBRELLA. IF THEY DON'T HAVE A SERVICE THING IS THERE'S CROSSING GUARDS NEAR. MY SON'S SCHOOL IN CANYON FALLS. I DON'T KNOW WHO PAYS FOR THOSE, BUT THERE'S CROSSING GUARDS AND THEIR STAR VALLEYS TO SCHOOL. SO I'M NOT SURE WHY. THERE AREN'T ONES UP IN HEART AND BELMONT, BUT WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND YOU DID ASK ME TO LOOK INTO THE WHATEVER THEY WHATEVER THEY CALL FEES OR COUNTY SHARE THAT COMES IN. YES WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT WE'RE STILL LOOKING TO SEE IF THEIR PROPORTIONATE BASED ON HARVEST POPULATION INCLUSIVE NORFOLK POPULATION, IT'S A PRETTY MODEST AMOUNT. AND WE WILL SHARE WITH YOU OUR ASSUMPTIONS ON THE NUMBER OF HOURS NUMBER OF GUARDS COST PER HOUR ALL THAT WE'RE WORKING ON TO GET THAT INFORMATION TO YOU. SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT OUR TOTAL COST IS. AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO ADD THAT SERVICE, WE CAN NEGOTIATE THAT AS TO WHETHER SOME OF THOSE FEES LEGITIMATELY BELONG TO YOU FROM THE HARVEST STANDPOINT FROM THE COUNTY, AND IF NOT, THEN YOU KNOW, WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY ASK YOU TO COVER THAT COST OR PROPORTIONAL COST OR WHATEVER YOU'RE LOOKING TO PURCHASE. OUR UMBRELLA. IT'S YOU KNOW, AS A TOKEN HERE, WE CAN DO THAT. BUT I WOULD ASK YOU TO PAY ANYTHING ABOVE WHERE THIS IS AT, BUT WE DO THAT SEPARATELY FROM THIS AGREEMENT. YEP YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO FOLLOW ON? NO, THAT WAS THAT WAS IT AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE CAN WORK. HAVE A THREE WAY CONVERSATION WITH THE SD AS WELL. TRY AND GET THEM TO SUPPORT. THE SCHOOLS AND HARVEST HAPPY TO DO SO. THANKS OKAY.

THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU EVEN FORWARD THAT, UM, BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH HARVEST IS NOT IN

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NORTHLAKE A LOT OF OUR KIDS AND GO THERE, AND I'M IN THAT LINE EVERY SINGLE DAY AND HAVING NO CROSSING GUARDS IS THE SAFETY FACTOR AND IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. AGREE? HERE'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THOUGHT OF. SO I AGREE WITH YOU. SOME OF YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER OF KIDS FROM NORTH LAKE PROPERTY VERSUS THOSE FROM ARGYLL PROPER VERSUS THOSE FROM PARAMOUNT IN KENYAN FALLS. I DON'T KNOW THE PROPORTION OF EACH SCHOOL BUT ONE OF THE WAYS I WAS LIKE, WELL, LET'S MAKE THIS KIND OF SIMPLE. WE HAVE INCLUDED IN THIS COVERING CROSSING GUARDS AT LANCE THOMPSON. AND YOU KNOW, PART OF IT IS WELL, YEAH, WE SHOULD PAY FOR PART OF IT. SO I'M INCLUDING IN OUR MATH THAT WE WOULD PAY FOR PART OF THE CROSSING GUARDS FOR LANCE THOMPSON BECAUSE WE'VE GOT KIDS TOGETHER. THAT WAS KIND OF HOW I TRIMMED IT DOWN AND GOT IT TO. I BELIEVE A REASONABLE NUMBER FOR WHAT WE'VE SEEN, IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY CHANGES TO BE PENNIES ON THE 22. BUT WHEN WE GET TO THE REST OF THE SCHOOLS WE KIND OF THREW IN THE NORTHWEST IS DECIDE AND GOT THAT ONE DONE. BUT WE'RE KIND OF TAKING CARE OF BOTH SIDES ON THE ARGYLE S DECIDE. I WANT THEM TO STEP UP AND TAKE CARE OF THEIR SCHOOL DISTRICT WITH THE POLICE SERVICES BECAUSE THEY DO CHARGE MORE. ON THEIR RATES, AND I WOULD LIKE TO STEP UP AND DO THAT, AND HOPEFULLY, NORTHWEST SD WILL AT SOME POINT AS WELL, BUT WE'LL WORK OUT THE DETAILS AS TO WHO ACTUALLY PUTS THEM IN THE FIELD. WHO IS THE HIRING AND ALL THAT, AND WE'LL EVALUATE THAT AS WE GO ALONG, IN CASE THAT PROGRAM GETS VERY EXPENSIVE, BUT I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THIS THREE WAY CONVERSATIONS AND SEE EVERY YOU KNOW, SOURCE OF REVENUE THAT'S APPROPRIATE THAT PERTAINS TO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU SHOULD BE ENTITLED TO ANY OF THOSE REVENUES IF THERE IS COMING FROM THE COUNTY ARE YOURS. SO I AGREE WITH ALL THOSE ASSUMPTIONS WILL GET TO WORK ON FIGURING OUT HOW TO PROVIDE THE SOLUTION, BUT DO SO IN A WAY THAT ALLOCATES THE COST TO ALL APPROPRIATE PARTIES. OKAY? ALL RIGHT. FURTHER ANYTHING. OKAY, MOTION SECONDS ON THE TABLE.

LET'S VOTE ON THIS. ARE YOU ALREADY THERE? I'M SORRY. ALL RIGHT. BOAT IS FIVE AND ONE THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS. CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU, OR KEEP UP THE RELATIONSHIP. ALRIGHT THIS NEXT ONE IS GOING ON HERE. WHICH ITEM ARE WE ON D. ALRIGHT

[5.D. Consider an Ordinance of the Town of Northlake, Texas, amending Section 3.4, Board of Adjustment, of Article 3, Boards and Commissions, of the Unified Development Code (UDC) Case # UDC-23-002 i. Public Hearing ii. Consider approval]

ITEM D BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT ARTICLE THREE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AMENDMENT TO THE U.

D C CASE NUMBER YOU TO SEE 23 LAST YEAR ZERO TO NATHAN. WHAT'S THIS ABOUT? THE MAYOR. THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. TO ADD ALTERNATE MEMBERS TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS SO THEY'D BE ABLE TO SERVE IN THE ABSENCE OF A REGULAR MEMBER. THE REGULAR FIVE MEMBERS WOULD REMAIN. THIS WOULD JUST GIVE TOWN COUNCIL THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPOINT THE ALTERNATE MEMBERS. AH THE REASON THIS WAS BROUGHT BEFORE YOU IS, WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT FIVE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEMBERS ARE AVAILABLE AT MEETINGS. WHENEVER THEY'RE HELD BECAUSE MOST OF THE ITEMS OF SUBSTANCE AT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT ACTS ON THEY APPROVED VARIANCES. SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS APPEALS TO ADMINISTRATIVE DECISIONS. UH ALL OF THOSE THINGS REQUIRE 75% VOTE SO FOUR OUT OF FIVE MEMBERS, SO IF ONE PERSON IS MISSING, TAKE EVERYBODY VOTING TO APPROVE ANYTHING. SO THIS WAS BROUGHT TO THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION. AT THEIR LAST MEETING, THEY HELD A PUBLIC HEARING WITH NO SPEAKERS THERE FOR OR AGAINST, AND THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.

UM OF THIS AMENDMENT AS PRESENTED COUNSELORS, QUESTIONS. AND NATHAN, WILL THIS BE THE SAME PROCESS FOR THE ALTERNATES AS IT IS FOR THE REGULAR MEMBERS ? THE APPOINTMENT PROCESS? YES YES, SAME APPOINTMENT PROCESS, AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE THIS PROVISION FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. IT'S REALLY NOT AS NECESSARY, BUT IT'S THERE IF YOU WANT TO APPOINT ALTERNATES TO THAT BOARD AS WELL, THANK YOU. NOW BE AWARE MEMBERS ARE CAN'T BE REMOVED.

THEY ARE SET FOR THEIR TERMS, ETCETERA. UM AND WE HAVE MOST OF THEIR MEETING'S CANCELED TYPICALLY, YES. SO WHY CAN'T THE FIVE PEOPLE THAT WE APPOINTED AND TRUSTED WITH THIS PROCEDURE, MAKE THE TWO OR THREE MEETINGS A YEAR. WE WE'VE HAD PRETTY GOOD ATTENDANCE. MOST OF TIME. THERE HAS BEEN A THERE WAS A RECENT MEETING WHERE WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A VARIANCE ITEM ENDED UP NOT BEING SUBMITTED HAD DIFFICULTY TRYING TO GET THAT SCHEDULED BECAUSE PEOPLE HAD SOME STUFF PLANNED AND WE'RE LOOKING AT MOVING MEETING TIMES AND IT WASN'T WORKING LESS AND WE'RE LIKE WE JUST NEED TO GET SOME ALTERNATIVE. HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. THESE AM I HEARING CORRECTLY? THESE MEETINGS HAPPEN ON OFF CYCLE OR DO YOU SCHEDULE THEM ON THE SAME TIME EVERY

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MONTH OR EVERY QUARTER? GOT UH, MONTHLY MEETING DATE? WE'VE ACTUALLY GONE TO BI MONTHLY NOW, SO BE EASIER FOR THEM TO SCHEDULE, SO IF THERE'S ANY VARIANCES OR ITEMS WILL BE GO.

THOSE MEETINGS SO THEY WON'T HAVE TO BE AVAILABLE AS MANY MONTHS SO WE'RE LOOKING MONTHLY MEETING EVERY OTHER MONTH EVERY OTHER MONTH, OKAY, BUT IT'S A SCHEDULED TIME. YES YES, IT WAS AT HOCKEY, I WOULD SAY COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHY YOU NEED ALTERNATES. FROM A SCHEDULING STANDPOINT, BUT IF IT'S BI MONTHLY OKAY? NOTHING. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING STATUTORILY REQUIRED JUST HOLD A MEETING. BETWEEN THOSE EVERY OTHER MONTH. NO, OKAY. MY POINT TO ARREST THE COUNCIL IS KIND OF LIKE THIS IS ARLO SUPREME COURT KIND OF THING AND WHICH HAVE ALTERNATES ON SUPREME COURT. IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE IN TRUST THE PEOPLE TO BE THERE AND DO IT AND DO THEIR JOBS. I DON'T LIKE A WILD CARD BEING THROWN INTO ANY PARTICULAR MEETING. SO THAT'S JUST MY TAKE ON IT. HMM BECAUSE YOU NEED FOUR OF THE FIVE TO APPROVE ANYTHING. JUST ONE PERSON MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE AND BACK TO JUST TO BE SOMEBODY OUT FOR BEING SICK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO YOU SAY, PROVE SOMETHING. DO YOU MEAN IMPROVE OR DENY OR JUST TO PROVE TO BE ABLE TO ACT ON THAT TO BE ABLE TO ACT, SO IT'S DIFFERENT THAN APPROVED BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T THEY COULDN'T APPROVE IT IF THEY IF THEY I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH. I'M TRYING TO GET AT AND IRRELEVANT AS TO APPROVE OR DENY YOU HAVE TO ACT FOUR OUT OF FIVE TO ACT OKAY? BUT THEN TO BE ABLE TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE OFF FOUR WOULD HAVE TO VOTE FOR IT. HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO TO LEAVE VOTES? THIS IS KIND OF INSURANCE AND YOU'RE GIVEN A FAIR SHAKE. TOTALLY WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW TO DENY THIS. THIS IS JUST TO HELP WITH. OKAY. WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMETHING IS PRESENTED? TWO OF THEM ARE OUT. DO WE HAVE LEGAL LIABILITY FOR NOT CONSIDERING SOMETHING THAT'S BEING APPEALED TO THE A YOU JUST BE RESCHEDULED . SCHEDULING A SHOT CLOCK TO WEAR, SOMETHING WOULD HAPPEN AUTOMATICALLY. DOES IT KICK TO THE COUNCIL AS A BACKUP? NO. OKAY SO THERE'S NO OTHER WAY FOR SOMEONE TO GET REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES UNTIL THIS BODY FORMS. AND THEY NEED FOUR OUT OF FIVE TO APPROVE SOMETHING, BUT THREE OUT OF FIVE CAN DENY IT. THEN IT THEN IT FOR THERE TO EVEN TAKE ACTION ON IT. OKAY, SO THE FORWARDED CALL QUORUM. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO IF THEY CAN JUST RESCHEDULE BECAUSE. I SEE NO REASON TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS. THIS IS ACTUALLY ACTION AND EVERYBODY. ANYBODY ELSE WANNA TALK ON THIS? ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY OR I'LL CALL THE PUBLIC HEARING. YEAH ALRIGHT. LET'S CALL THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 724 PM WE'LL CALL THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM D. ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING UDC CASE 23-00 TO ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK TONIGHT. YES, MA'AM. HARDIMAN I JUST WANT TO WEIGH IN ON THIS. I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER MONTAGNY HAS THE RIGHT IDEA ABOUT THIS. IT'S BI MONTHLY. THESE MEMBERS HAVE COMMITTED TO THIS POSITION. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE PROBABLY WAITING FOR THESE POSITIONS. AND I THINK YOU MADE A GOOD POINT COUNCIL MEMBER MONTAGNY ABOUT THE WILD CARD BEING THROWN IN SO I THINK YOU'RE GOOD AS YOU ARE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. WHAT ELSE? IT'S ANYONE ELSE. SORRY. JUMPED ON THE MICROPHONE THERE.

DID YOU WAVE AT ME? NO IT'S ALL RIGHT. JUST MAKING SURE IT'S 725 PM CALLS THE PUBLIC HEARING

[5.D. VOTE]

COUNSELORS WE WANT TO DO WITH THIS. MAKE A MOTION THIS KEEP THE STATUS QUO. MOTION TODAY.

YES. I'LL 2ND 2ND FROM COUNSELOR LAWRENCE. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. LET'S VOTE.

IT SAYS APPROVED IS PRESENTED. SO DO WE SAY YES OR NO? ON A SECOND. ALRIGHT MOTION IS TO DENY SO IF YOU SAY YES, THE MOTION IS DENIED. SAY NO, AND WE KEEP TALKING, I GUESS.

ALRIGHT. THE VOTE IS FIVE AND ONE THANK YOU. TO ME SHORT TERM RENTALS. MR REDDIN, COME ON

[5.E. Consider an Ordinance of the Town of Northlake, Texas, amending Chapter 5 “Business Regulations” of the Code of Ordinances, Town of Northlake, Texas by creating a new Article 5.11 “Short-term Rentals,” to define and govern the standards and requirements for short-term rentals i. Public Hearing ii. Consider approval]

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DOWN. RIGHT? JUST BRIEFLY GO BACK OVER THIS SHORT TERM RENTALS WILL CALL STRS FOR SHORT , OUR REYNOLDS OF RESIDENTS FOR OVERNIGHT LODGING OF LESS THAN, UH, PERSON 30 CONSECUTIVE DAYS, 30 CONSECUTIVE DAYS OR LESS. UM CURRENTLY REGULATE THOSE BY SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. UM.

SPECIFIC USE PERMIT THOSE ONLY REQUIRED IF RENTING STR FOR MORE THAN 14 DAYS IN A 365 DAY PERIOD , SO IF YOU WANT TO RENT OUT YOUR HOUSE FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS DURING THE YEAR YOU CAN DO THAT BY RIGHT. THERE'S NO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REQUIRED. UM. WE'VE HAD NO APPLICATIONS FOR A S U P.

NONE HAVE BEEN BEEN APPROVED FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL. WE DON'T KNOW OF ANY KNOWN OPERATING SHORT TERM RENTALS IN THE TOWN CURRENTLY SO, UM, THE OCTOBER 12TH COUNCIL MEETING A BRIEF THE PROGRAM YOU'RE PROVIDED WITH SOME DRAFT ORDINANCES. UM. THE, UM. IN THAT ORDINANCE THAT WAS PROPOSED TO ADD AN ANNUAL ADMINISTRATIVE PERMIT AND INSPECTION FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS. BASED ON COUNCIL GUIDANCE AFTER THAT, BRIEFING, UM. WE WENT WITH JUST THE ADMINISTRATIVE PERMITTING PROCESS INSTEAD OF THE SPECIFIC USE PERSON PERMIT PROCESS TO SIMPLIFY THINGS, BUT. TO REQUIRE , UH, SPECIFIC STANDARDS. AND A PERMITTING PROCESS THAT TO APPLY TO SHORT TERM MINERALS. AND TO NOT REQUIRE INSPECTIONS BECAUSE THESE ARE GOING TO BE PRIMARILY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE PRESIDENTIAL UNITS, AND THAT WAS THE GUIDANCE OF COUNCIL. SO HERE'S WHAT'S IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE WITH THOSE UPDATES, SO THIS WILL CREATE A NEW ARTICLE IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. THAT WILL INCLUDE STANDARDS FOR SHORT TERM, REYNOLDS. IT ESTABLISHES AN ANNUAL PERMIT PROCESS WITH NO INSPECTION REQUIREMENT. WITH THAT. PERMIT WILL GET OWNER LOCAL AND OR LOCAL CONTACT INFORMATION. THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE A LOCAL CONTACTS THAT WILL BE ABLE TO RESPOND WITHIN AN HOUR. UH IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES ON SITE MUST PROVIDE PROOF OF LIABILITY INSURANCE MUST PROVIDE A FLOOR PLAN OR PARKING PLAN, AND WE'LL USE THAT TO ESTABLISH THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY. UM SETS REGULATIONS FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS. SOME OF THESE INCLUDE THE LENGTH OF STAY . IT'S GOT TO BE A MINIMUM OF 24 HOURS MAXIMUM OF 30 DAYS IF IT'S ABOVE THAT WOULDN'T BE CONSIDERED A SHORT TERM RENTAL. UM. INCLUDES OCCUPANCY LIMITS OF TWO PER BEDROOM, PLUS TWO ADDITIONAL UP TO A MAXIMUM NUMBER OF 12. PERSONS. THE REQUIREMENT FOR A LOCAL CONTACT LIABILITY INSURANCE, PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND LIFE SAFETY REQUIREMENTS. AND THERE'S KIND OF DETAILED SPECIFICS AND LAID OUT FOR THOSE IN THE ORDINANCE.

IT ALSO HAS SOME REQUIREMENTS ON THE CONDUCT ON PREMISES, AND THAT'S THE OWNER OPERATOR IS SUPPOSED TO MAKE THE OCCUPANT AWARE OF THE CODE OF CONDUCT AND THEIR REQUIREMENTS. AND PROVIDE AN OCCUPANT NOTIFICATION PACKET. ALSO IS THE REQUIREMENT OF PAYING THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX, WHICH IS A REQUIREMENT THAT WOULD APPLY NO MATTER WHAT THIS IS TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. AND AN IMPORTANT ONE IS THIS DENSITY LIMITATIONS SO NEIGHBORHOOD CAN'T BE OVERRUN OR A STREET CAN'T BE OVERRUN BY SHORT TERM RENTALS AND REALLY CHANGES THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THIS WOULD ALSO APPLY IF IT'S A APARTMENT BUILDING SO THAT IT COULD NOT BE CHANGED THE SHORT TERM RENTALS. UH ALSO, THIS INCLUDES AN AMENDMENT TO SOME AMENDMENTS TO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND BECAUSE OF THAT, UH, YOU HAVE TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING ON IT. SO WHAT THIS DOES IS CURRENTLY WE HAVE A DEFINITION FOR A VACATION, SHORT TERM RENTAL. IT'S A IT'S ALL WITHIN THAT ONE DEFINITION THAT ALLOWS THE RENTAL FOR 14 DAYS BY WRITE ANYTHING ABOVE THAT REQUIRES A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. TO CLEAR IT UP. WE'VE CREATED TWO SEPARATE DEFINITIONS ONE FOR

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SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT'S FOR IF YOU'RE RUNNING IT FOR MORE THAN 14 DAYS IN A YEAR PERIOD.

VACATION HOME IS FOR REYNOLDS LIMITED TO 14 DAYS OR LESS AND YEAR PERIOD. UM PROVIDES IT.

MOST OF THESE USES ARE PERMITTED USES BY RIGHT NOT REQUIRING A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. SET SOME MINIMUM PARKING SPACE STANDARDS AND THE UTC AND THEN ALSO REFERENCES THE ADMINISTRATIVE PERMIT REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE APPLICABLE JUST TO THE SHORT TERM RENTALS NOT TO THE VACATION HOMES, SO IF YOU WANTED TO RENT OUT YOUR OWN HOME FOR UP TO TWO DAYS IN A YEAR, YOU COULD DO THAT WITHOUT HAVING TO GET THAT ADMINISTRATIVE PERMIT. IF YOU WANT TO RENT IT OUT FOR MORE THAN THAT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO GET THIS ADMINISTRATIVE PERMIT. SO THAT'S A SUMMARY OF WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THIS ORDINANCE AND THE FEW AMENDMENTS TO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REVIEWED JUST THESE AMENDMENTS OF THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE AT THEIR LAST MEETING. HELD A PUBLIC HEARING. THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS FOR AGAINST, AND THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE AMENDMENT AS PRESENTED I DO WANNA MENTION THEY DID DISCUSS POSSIBLY KIND OF COLLAPSING THE TWO DEFINITIONS INTO ONE AND NOT GETTING RID OF THAT. 14 DAYS DIFFERENTIATION. BUT THEY CHOSE TO KEEP IT THAT WAY. I THINK THEY SAW BENEFIT TO BEING ABLE TO RENT OUT THEIR HOME FOR SHORT PERIODS OF TIME AND NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT EXTRA PERMIT PROCESS. QUESTION I DON'T TRY TO FIND IT. BUT WHEN DOES A SHORT TERM RENTAL BECOME A RENTED HOME? WHAT IS WHEN WE CROSS OVER THE THRESHOLD THAT'S IF YOU RENT TO ANYBODY FOR LONGER THAN 30 DAYS. ANY ONE PERSON. YES OKAY, SO THAT THOSE RENTING YOUR HOME SECTION 30 DAYS IS ITS SEPARATE CATEGORY DOESN'T PLAYOFF. THERE'S NEXT ORDINANCE. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TO ADDRESS THAT SO IT WOULD KICK IT INTO THAT CATEGORY. OKAY. THANK YOU.

COUNSELORS, QUESTIONS. I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN SHORT TERM RENTAL AND VACATION HOME AND WHY THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE AS THEY'RE LIKE, WHAT WAS THE DIFFERENTIATION? IT'S JUST JUST NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE ONEROUS PROCESS. YES, YES, IT WOULD BE EASIER TO ADMINISTER IF THERE WASN'T A DIFFERENTIATION, BUT IT DOES MAKE IT EASIER FOR HOMEOWNERS IF YOU DO FOR A SHORT PERIODS OF TIME TO RENT IT OUT WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS. OKAY? I WANT TO BACK UP FOR A SECOND DOCTOR ASHLEY. WHAT WHAT'S THE LAW ON SHORT TERM RENTALS AGAIN CAN REMIND US I MEAN, WHAT'S THE SPECTRUM? CAN WE ARE THEY ALLOWED BY, RIGHT? ARE THEY BANNED? CAN WE BAN THEM OUTRIGHT? IS THIS? YOU KNOW WHERE? WHERE IS THE LINE HERE? YOU CANNOT BAN THEM OUTRIGHT, UM IN IN THE WHOLE OF THE TOWN, SO YOU CAN'T SAY NORTHLAKE IS GOING TO BE A SHORT TERM RENTAL FREE ZONE PERIOD. YOU HAVE TO ALLOW THEM SOMEWHERE. UM, YOU ABSOLUTELY HAVE THE RIGHT TO REGULATE THEM. UM AND REQUIRE A PERMIT AND ALL THOSE THINGS BUT AS FAR AS LAND USE CATEGORIES, YOU CAN'T BAN THEM OUTRIGHT. YOU HAVE TO ALLOW THEM IN CERTAIN. IN CERTAIN ZONES. AT LEAST IN CERTAIN ZONES. I SHOULD SAY.

OKAY? UM I HAD ONE. THERE'S ONE PART OF THIS. THAT REALLY BUGS ME, AND THAT'S THE ONE IN EIGHT RULE. AND THE REASON FOR THAT ONE IN EIGHT RULE. ON A BLOCK OR APARTMENT BUILDING. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS, IS THAT I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA THAT ONE PERSON ON A ROW CAN DICTATE WHAT HAPPENS TO ANOTHER. I DON'T LIKE ONE IN EIGHT LIKE ONE IN 20 OR 50. I MEAN, FROM A DENSITY STANDPOINT, LIKE DON'T PUT ANY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IF WE HAVE TO ALLOW THEM.

UNFORTUNATELY IT OPENS UP THE POSSIBILITY THAT THERE IS A WAVE OF THEM TEXAS MOTOR SPEEDWAY.

IT'S GOT SOMETHING GOING ON AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU GET IT. 100 PEOPLE RIGHT NOW AT THEIR HOME.

UM SO THIS ONE I REALLY WRESTLE WITH, BUT I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA THAT ONE PERSON ON THE BLOCK CAN TIE UP ALL THE OTHERS AND PREVENT THEM FROM USING THE SAME USE, EVEN IF THERE WAS NO ONE ELSE IN AN ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT THAT SEEMS DON'T SIT WELL. BUT THE ALTERNATIVE EVERYBODY DOING IT IS ALSO UNTENABLE. SO I KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT A QUESTION. THAT'S A STATEMENT. I'M JUST LOOKING AT YOU. YEAH. ACTUALLY, YOU SAID SOMETHING THAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION. YOU CAN'T BAN THEM OUTRIGHT YOU HAVE TO ALLOW FOR HIM SOMEWHERE. SO DOES THAT MEAN YOU COULD ONLY ALLOW FOR THEM

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AND SALT AND OUR COMMERCIAL ZONE OR YOU COULD ONLY ALLOW FOR THEM TO DO IT BY HIS OWN. YOU CAN DO IT BY ZONE, BUT YOU CAN'T EFFECTIVELY BANNED THEM. SO YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T SAY YEAH, WELL OUT IN COMMERCIAL ZONES. THERE'S NO THERE'S NO RESIDENTIAL HOMES AND COMMERCIAL ZONE SO YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T. PRETEND TO ALLOW THEM AND THEN NOT REALLY ALLOW THEM IF THAT MAKES SENSE, BUT YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY SAY, UM YOU KNOW, RURAL RESIDENTIAL DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ALLOW SHORT TERM RENTALS AND THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL ZONE. YOU CAN PICK YOUR YOUR YOUR ZONES. FROM THAT STANDPOINT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ALLOW THEM IN EVERY SINGLE RESIDENTIAL ZONE. YOU JUST CAN'T BAN THEM IN THE ENTIRETY OF YOUR TOWN. IS IT BY ZONING DISTRICT OR GEOGRAPHICAL AREA? OR COULD IT BE MEAN MAKES THE MOST SENSE TO DO IT BY ZONING DISTRICT. TYPICALLY I MEAN, THAT'S JUST HOW WE HANDLE LAND, USE DECISIONS AND HOW WE DEFEND THEM TYPICALLY, UM AND SO, BUT IF YOU'VE GOT LEGITIMATE DISCRETIONARY LEGISLATIVE REASONS FOR NOT WANTING THEM IN THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL ZONE, I THINK WE COULD CARVE OUT UM, NOT ALLOWING THEM THERE, AND WE COULD DEFEND THAT. UM BUT AGAIN, YOU CAN'T SAY NO SHORT TERM RENTALS ANY RESIDENTIAL ZONE ANYWHERE IN THE TOWN. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? UH ACTUALLY, I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, MAYBE YOU CAN CLARIFY IT. HEARD ON THE NEWS THE OTHER DAY THAT LEWISVILLE IS BANNING SHORT TERM RENTALS. NOW DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT AND WERE OR HOW THAT CAN BE DONE? SO WELL, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THEIR WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. UM I KNOW THAT THE STATE OF THE LAW IN TEXAS AND THE FIFTH CIRCUIT AS OF RIGHT NOW WOULD NOT UPHOLD A STRAIGHT STR BAN. UM THEY ARE CONSIDERED IT'S CONSIDERED A PROPERTY RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO RENT OUT YOUR PROPERTY. IT'S ONE OF THE BUNDLES OF STICKS IN YOUR IN YOUR BUNDLE OF STICKS. UM YOUR PROPERTY OWNERSHIP. SO, UM IF IT'S A IF IT'S AN OUTRIGHT BANNED ACROSS THE ENTIRETY OF THE TOWN OF LEWISVILLE. I DON'T THINK THAT CAN BE THAT WILL BE HELD UP. YOU JUST YOU JUST SAID SOMETHING INTERESTING, THOUGH, HE SAID. IT'S A PROPERTY, RIGHT? SO THE COURTS YES. SO HOW IS IT THAT THEY ALLOW US TO TAKE IT AWAY IN CERTAIN ZONES? BECAUSE NOW WE'RE AFFECTING ONE PARTY OVER ANOTHER. WE ARE, BUT THAT'S LIKE ANY OTHER LAND USE DECISIONS. SO YES, THE STATE OF THE LAW RIGHT NOW IS THE SUPREME COURT IS VERY, VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THE PROPERTY OWNER. UM AND THAT'S. AND THAT'S I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYTIME SOON. CERTAINLY NOT IN TEXAS OR THE THIS CIRCUIT. UM BUT WE STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO REGULATE LAND USES VR ZONING POWER. SO WE THAT'S WHAT WE DO EVERY DAY YOU SAY, YOU KNOW? NO, YOU CAN'T PUT THAT COMMERCIAL BUSINESS IN THIS RESIDENTIAL ZONED AREA. UM, WE'RE DOING THE SAME THING HERE. WE JUST HAVE TO BE REASONABLE ABOUT IT, AND WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DEFEND IT AND THAT THERE'S LEGITIMATE REASONS WHY WE DON'T WANT THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE FILLED WITH THIS TR RENTALS BECAUSE OF YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN PROPERTY OWNERSHIP. TRADITIONAL VERSUS THE STR RENTAL PROCESS. SO WHAT DO WE HAVE CURRENTLY IN THE TOWN , MEANING NOT STRS? BUT WHAT IS THE CURRENT RULES FOR SDRS IN THE TOWN? THERE ARE NONE. SO THEY'RE ALLOWED S U P PROCESS TO GET THIS SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IF YOU USE OVER 14 DAYS, AND THE PERMIT DOESN'T HAVE ALL THESE REQUIREMENTS OR DOES HAVE ALL THESE REQUIREMENTS. WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE? THOUGH THERE'S NOT THERE'S NOT ANY GUIDELINES FOR IT, SO IT'S A CASE BY CASE MANAGEMENT PROCESS THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN PLACE TO HELP US MANAGE. THE SDR ALLOWANCE. RIGHT. MHM, OKAY. SO THIS WOULD ONLY APPLY IF SOMEONE WOULD BE CHARGING RENT CORRECT. YES. BECAUSE THERE WERE INSTANCES WHEN I WAS IN THE NUCLEAR FIELD.

I BEGAN 3 TO 6 MONTHS AT A TIME ON TEMPORARY ASSIGNMENTS. I'D HAVE FRIENDS STAY AT MY HOUSE AND NO RENT JUST COVER THE UTILITY BILLS AND WE'RE GOOD. SO IF SOMEONE DOES THAT THEY CAN HAVE PEOPLE IN AND OUT. THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, POSSIBLY WOULDN'T APPLY TO GUEST. ALL RIGHT. I GUESS WE STILL HAVE TO PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE IT'S PUBLISHED, BUT I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT DOING THIS BY ZONING, BUT I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A KNEE JERK REACTION TONIGHT WITHOUT PEOPLE TALKING CONSTITUENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BECAUSE FRANKLY, I WOULD I WOULD NOT ALLOW TO RURAL

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RESIDENTIAL PERSONALLY, BUT THAT'S JUST ME. BUT IS IT DEAR? ISN'T THERE A LITTLE MORE OF THIS? WE DO HAVE SOME FOLLOW ON ACTION ITEMS THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN THIS ONE. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH SO SHOULD WE DISCUSS ALL THAT BEFORE WE VOTE ON ANY PART OF IT WOULD BE MORE LOGICAL. THEY'RE ALL SEPARATE, THOUGH. HOW IS HOW IS ALL THIS GOING TO BE MONITORED? THAT IS A DIFFICULT PART. AND WE'VE WE'VE DONE SOME RESEARCH PERIODICALLY, AND IT CAN BE COMPLAINT DRIVEN TO IF THERE'S THE HOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD PEOPLE. THAT'S OBVIOUS PEOPLE ARE RENTING IT OUT. BUT. WILL YOU THEIR SERVICES? YOU CAN SUBSCRIBE TO THE HELP IDENTIFY IF THERE'S SHORT TERM RENTALS. UM YOU KNOW, THEY GO THROUGH THE AIRBNB AND B R B O DATABASES TO HELP YOU AND WE'VE DONE SOME OF THAT WE HAVEN'T FOUND ANY YET. OKAY SO IT'S GOING TO BE A IT'LL BE PROACTIVE AS WELL AS IF SOMEONE HAS A COMPLAINT, OR YOU NOTICED SOMETHING IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

YOU HAVE THIS TO BACK IT UP, OKAY? ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING FURTHER. LET'S HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING. 742 PM COME ON DOWN. YEAH I GUESS WHO? JOHN MACGREGOR 8921 EC FAMILY LINE. UM ONE OF THOSE PREVIOUS SLIDES SAID THESE WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE HOT TAX. I GOT A REAL PROBLEM WITH THAT.

BECAUSE THE HOTEL THAT HEART ATTACKS IS A SCAM. I MEAN, THAT MONEY IS A TAX, BUT IT ALL HAS TO BE SPENT IN THE BENEFIT OF THE HOTELS. HOW DOES HOW DOES SPENDING MONEY AND BENEFIT OF HOTELS DO ANYTHING FOR REAL PROPERTY OWNER? THAT'S TOTALLY UNRELATED. THE HOTEL TAX GOES TO TOURISM, ANY TYPE OF PUBLIC PROJECTS LIKE SPORTS CENTER. IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY GO TO DIRECTLY TO THE BENEFIT OF THE HOTELS. IT'S 10 GENTLY, BUT IT'S IN DESIGNED TO ACQUIRE MONEY FROM THOSE THAT TRAVEL TO THE TOWN FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE FACILITIES THAT THEY USE THEY WOULDN'T OTHERWISE PAY FOR. YEAH. AND, UM I WOULD TO ME. THIS IS A FOR AN INDIVIDUAL THAT WANTS TO DO AIRBNB OR SOMETHING. THIS SEEMS LIKE A HUGE OVERREACH AND A BUNCH OF RED TAPE AND A COMPLIMENT. COMPLICATIONS FOR WHAT? YOU KNOW, I MEAN IT. IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG BURDEN ON THE TOWN TO TRY TO ENFORCE THIS AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHO'S DOING WHAT MM. EXCEPT FOR WHAT YOU KNOW. UM. AND MAYBE IF YOU REALLY THINK THIS IS NECESSARY IT MIGHT BE A GOOD WAY. TO DIVIDE IT UP IS APPLY THIS TO BUSINESSES. YOU KNOW, IF A BUSINESS IS THE CORPORATION BUYS A DOZEN HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND YOU'RE GONNA DO SHORT TERM RENTALS ON ALL OF THEM, AND THIS IS A BUSINESS. OKAY, MAYBE UM, BUT MAYBE CARVE OUT SAY, YOU KNOW AN INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER. DON'T APPLY THIS TO THEM. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO THAT. BUT I DON'T ALL RIGHT. I THINK YOU COULD YOU KNOW IF I WANT A HOUSE IF I DON'T THREE HOUSES AND THEY'RE JUST MINE, AND I HAPPENED TO DO SO FEW SHORT TERM RENTALS WOULD NEVER DO THAT. BUT SEE THIS IS A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION IN MY LIFE. AND. IN SOME CITIES LIKE LEWISVILLE.

THIS FEELS GOT SOME REALLY CHEAP OVER LOW INCOME PLACES, AND I'M SURE THEY HAVE ISSUES WITH NEEDING INSPECTIONS AND THINGS LIKE DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WHAT ARE YOU GONNA BE INSPECTING GOING IN AND SEE IF I MEAN, NOBODY'S GONNA RENT THESE PLACES AND THESE NICE AREAS FOR THE KIND OF MONEY IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO COVER THE EXPENSES AND PAY THE TAXES AND ALL THAT. AND NOT WANT TO REALLY NICE PLACE, YOU KNOW, SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE SLUMS. BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T COVER THE EXPENSES. SO I DON'T SEE THIS AS BEING SOMETHING NEEDED IN NORTHLAKE VERSUS OTHER PLACES THAT HAD LOW INCOME HOUSING, POSSIBLY BUT THANKS. CAN YOU DIFFERENTIATE BASED ON OWNERSHIP? NO I MEAN, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THE QUESTION, NO. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LAND USE. QUESTION UM SO NO, WE'RE NOT. WE SHOULD NOT ABSOLUTELY DIFFERENTIATE BASED ON WHO OWNS IT. SORRY. OKAY, INTERESTING THAT. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT NO NO INSPECTIONS ARE PROPOSED IN THE ORDINANCE, INCLUDING THE ORDINANCE. OKAY? THANK YOU. I THINK THAT'S HOTELS

[02:15:07]

. NATHAN IF SOMEBODY WAS INVOLVED IN STRS FOR MORE THAN 14 DAYS. THAT WOULD ALSO KICK THEM OUT HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS, RIGHT? THEORETICALLY YEAH, AND THAT THAT. WHAT I'VE NOTICED IN THE PAST YEAR IS SO MANY HOMES ARE GOING INTO RENTAL BASE. WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE SDRS BUT RENTAL BASED AND THEY'RE STILL CLAIMING HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS. THAT'S A MAJOR PROBLEM FOR THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY AND ALL INVOLVED PARTIES. UM SO THAT IF THIS WOULD ALSO BE USED AS A TRIGGER FOR HOMESTEAD NOTIFICATIONS. TWO D CAD. THAT WOULD MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO ME BECAUSE PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE GETTING THAT BENEFIT. IF THEY'RE NOT LIVING THERE PERMANENTLY. SO I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE IF THIS IS ENACTED. THAT WE INVOLVE THE TRIGGER. WHEN SOMEBODY APPLIES FOR US, IT'S MORE THAN 14 DAYS. THAT TRIGGER GETS PULLED. UM SORRY, SO WE KIND OF INTERLUDE IN THE MIDDLE OF PUBLIC HEARING. SO LET'S LET'S FINISH PUBLIC HEARING. UH, I FORGOT TO SO. COUNT YOU AS PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY, PUT HIM ON THE RECORD. YES, MA'AM. MARINA HARD, UM AND I JUST WAS WONDERING IF ANY CONSIDERATION HAS BEEN GIVEN. BECAUSE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT AND THE SHORT TERM REYNOLDS. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE IMPACT TO A NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOW THAT IS GOING TO AFFECT THE NEIGHBORS. WELL, WE HAVE SOME VERY, VERY DENSE NEIGHBORHOODS IN NORTH LAKE. THE CON SQUARE AND THE LIKE, AND THAT'S GONNA REALLY AFFECT THE PEOPLE NEXT DOOR, BUT HAVE YOU GIVEN ANY CONSIDERATION TO LARGER LANDOWNERS? BECAUSE I'M ABOUT PRESERVING, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY RIGHTS? UM YOUR RURAL RESIDENTIAL YOUR RURAL ESTATE.

YOU'VE GOT A LARGER LAND PLOT OF LAND. YOU'VE GOT LESS. PROBABLY LESS IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. SO MAYBE WHENEVER YOU'RE FINE TUNING THIS, YOU THINK ABOUT THAT. I ALSO THINK THE HOTEL TAX ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS WRONG. THAT'S MEANT TO GO TOWARDS THINGS HOTEL RELATED.

I MEAN THE PROMOTION OF A HOTEL, THE BUILDING OF THINGS, BUT, UM, THIS IS NOT THE SAME THING. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT, LET'S GET BACK TO TALK ABOUT THIS SO INTERESTING POINTS. I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE BANNED ANYWHERE IN THE TOWN OF OUTRIGHT. I KNOW A BUNCH OF HOMEOWNERS WHO HAVE BEAUTIFUL GUEST HOMES SEPARATE FROM THERE.

THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IF THEY WANT TO RENT THAT OUT, AND YOU KNOW IT'S A SEPARATE BUILDING. I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF A NATURAL USE FOR IT. IF IT'S NOT BEING USED FOR SOMETHING ELSE, YOU'VE GOT AN ESTATE OR SOMETHING. YOU WANT TO USE THAT IF YOU GOT AN ESTATE AND YOU WANT TO PUT A TINY HOME OUT THERE, PUT IT OVER THE POND OR SOMETHING. I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL RENTAL. I'VE USED THOSE BEFORE MYSELF. I HESITATE TO PUT A BAN ANYWHERE ON HIS OWN BECAUSE THERE'S I KNOW PEOPLE WHO HAVE ASSETS IN THE TOWN FROM APARTMENTS, THE RVS, TWO ESTATES AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN. WHERE THEY SHOULD BE DENIED THE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.

WITH CONTROLS. THIS IS A LOT OF CONTROLS. BE HONEST, I LIKE I'M READING THIS AND LIKE GOOD GRADES. THIS IS DENSE. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WORK IT IS TO ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THIS SUV PROCESS AND THEN GET THIS ALL DONE. BUT I'M OKAY WITH COVERING OURSELVES. BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT A LOT OF THESE AS I LOOK AT IT, I WAS LIKE, YEAH, I CAN SEE A PROBLEM THERE ANOTHER PROBLEM THERE, BUT IT DOES GET THE THINGS THAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS ONE SO THEY'RE ALLOWED. BY RIGHT , I THINK, PHILOSOPHICALLY, I BELIEVE THEY HAVE A RIGHT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE TEXAS MOTOR SPEEDWAY. THESE COULD BE VERY POPULAR VERY QUICK. THERE ARE EVENTS THERE NOW, AND WE DON'T SEE A LOT OF THESE, BUT IT COULD HAPPEN. AND I'M NOT SURE THAT I'M COMFORTABLE WITH NEIGHBORHOODS GETTING OVERRUN. AND THEN WHAT DO WE DO? IF YOU NEED YOUR REACTION? YOU PULL IT BACK. YOU'RE GOING TO FACE A LOT OF OPPOSITION. BECAUSE NOW FOCUS OF BEEN DENIED SOMETHING VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT. BUT I GOTTA BE HONEST. I CAN'T GET COMFORTABLE WITH THE ONE IN EIGHT RULE, AND I CAN'T GET COMFORTABLE WITH HIS OWN BASE DENIAL. SO THOSE TWO I JUST CAN'T LIVE WITH. THE REST OF THE RULES. I MEAN, IT'S LEGALESE, AND THERE'S A LOT HERE INSURANCE . I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT ONES LIKE THE ESCAPE ROUTES AND PUTTING A SIGN IN EVERY BEDROOM. I MEAN, THAT THAT GETS TO BE A LOT UNLESS WE'RE PROVIDING THE SIGNS OR AT LEAST THE PAPER THAT THEY CAN POST. BUT THAT'S PRETTY CHINTZY, TO BE HONEST. I AM. I'M A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE IF WE'RE YOU KNOW, PLANNING ON INSPECTIONS IN THESE THINGS, I'M JUST THROWING OUT A COUPLE ITEMS YOU DON'T HAVE TO. THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE IN THERE AND YOUR INITIAL INITIALLY DRAFTED THIS WITH INSPECTIONS SO THAT WE COULD CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

[02:20:04]

YEAH PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED AT US EFFECTIVELY WAS CLOSED PRIOR TO 751, BUT OFFICIALLY 751 Z.

THANKS. YOU SO, UH, SOME OF THOSE ITEMS ARE IN THERE. AND WITH THE POINT OF BEING ABLE TO INSPECT TO ENSURE THAT THEY HAVE THAT NOW THERE'S NO WAY TO INSPECT THAT. SO. SO THERE THERE MAY BE REASON TO REMOVE THOSE OR YOU CAN KEEP THEM. THERE'S REALLY JUST NO WAY TO ENFORCE THAT SO INSPECTIONS ARE ARE NOT PART OF THIS PROBLEM. NOT A PART OF THIS PROGRAM. OKAY, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. I WANT TO STOP. WE'RE BURNING A LOT OF TIME TONIGHT. I APOLOGIZE. UM COUNSELORS. WHAT WHAT OTHER THOUGHTS? DO YOU HAVE MY STATE OF MIND? I DON'T LIKE THE LAND USED DENIAL OR THE ONE IN EIGHT RULE. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE IT AS WRITTEN. WELL, I

[5.E. VOTE]

ADMIT I DON'T LIKE THEM EITHER. IS THERE A SECOND? ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO TRY? WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO WITH THIS? QUICK QUESTION. UM. THE S U P PROCESS, THERE'S A LARGE THERE'S A FEE ON THAT. I ASSUME AS IT STANDS. YES AND THIS IS ACTUALLY GETTING RID OF THE S U PEOPLE RID OF THAT THE CURRENT SUV PROCESS. THERE IS A FEE. IS THERE A FEE WITH THE ADMINISTRATION PROCESS? YES YES. AND ACTUALLY, THAT WILL BE THE NEXT STEP TO BRING THAT THE NEXT MEETING FOR OKAY. WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? U P IS WHAT? HOW MUCH $100 AND YOU'RE PROPOSING, LIKE I THINK IT WAS $50 A YEAR FOR THIS SCP WOULD BE $500.01 TIME. THIS WOULD BE AN ANNUAL PERMIT $50. I COULD SEE MORE VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE WITH A $50 FEE ANNUAL. THEN THE PEOPLE TRYING TO SLIDE UNDER THE RADAR WITH A $500 SUV WITH THAT I WILL SECOND YOUR MOTION. ROGER.

MOTION. A SECOND IS ON THE TABLE AS WRITTEN. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS. ALRIGHT, LET'S GET THIS DONE. UM OUR MOTION WAS PRESENTED AND DID THIS NOW SECONDED.

I WANT TO SAY ANYTHING YET. ANYBODY SEE ANYTHING? NO. PROVE THAT.

ALRIGHT THE VOTE IS FOUR AND TWO AS PRESENTED. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WHAT LETTER? ARE WE ON

[5.F. Consider an Ordinance of the Town of Northlake, Texas, amending Chapter 4 “Building Regulations” of the Code of Ordinances, Town of Northlake, Texas by creating a new Article 4.07 “Single-family and Multi-family Rental Housing,” to provide for the regulation, inspection, and permitting of rentals for single-family and multi-family dwellings]

NOW? YEAH. AND THIS IS THE BUILDING REGULATIONS. NEW ARTICLE 407. THAT'S WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. YES OKAY. WHAT'S THIS ABOUT? THIS IS THE LONGER TERM RENTALS. LONGER THAN 30 DAYS. SO THIS THERE'S ANOTHER NEW PROGRAM TO ADDRESS HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUES. FOR ALL TYPES OF RENTALS. IT WAS BRIEFED COUNCIL LAST MEETING. THE GUIDANCE SET OF THAT WAS YOU DIDN'T WANT ANY INSPECTIONS REQUIRED FOR SINGLE FAMILY RENTALS. SO THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU, UH INCLUDES SETTING MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR ALL RENTAL PROPERTIES. FOR SINGLE FAMILY RENTALS AND JUST REQUIRES THE ANNUAL PERMIT WITH NO INSPECTIONS. EXCEPT UPON REQUEST OF A TENANT. AH FOR MULTIFAMILY RENTALS OR APARTMENTS. THERE'S AN ANNUAL PERMIT. REQUIREMENT. INSPECTION OF THE PREMISES AT LEAST ONCE ANNUALLY AND INSPECTION OF THE SAMPLING OF THE UNITS ANNUALLY AS WELL. SO HOW TYPICAL IS THE DENSITY OF

[02:25:07]

THIS REGULATION? BECAUSE THIS IS THIS ONE'S A LOT OF RED TAPE? YEAH. I THINK IT'S PRETTY PRETTY TYPICAL FROM ATTORNEY THAT THAT THE DRAFTED IT HAS DONE MANY OF THESE AND USED USER EXPERIENCE WITH THOSE TO ADDRESS THIS. I TAKE IT THAT THE IDEA OF THESE IS NOT. WE'RE GOING TO START STICKING HER NOSE IN EVERYBODY'S BUILDING, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME REGULATIONS AND ENABLE US TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. IF THERE'S A PROBLEM EXACTLY, IT'S TO BE PROACTIVE AND TO BE ABLE TO HAVE MORE TOOLS WHEN THERE IS A PROBLEM. AND YOU'RE PREPARED. I MEAN, THIS IS GOING TO MEAN THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ANNUAL PERMITTING FOR EVERY SINGLE UNIT IN EVERY APARTMENT COMPLEX.

CORRECT SO FOR THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES, THIS ONE PERMIT FOR THE COMPLEX. HANDLE THAT. AND YOU'RE NOT INSPECTING EVERY SINGLE UNIT IS JUST A SAMPLING OF THE UNITS TOWN HOMES WHERE THEY FALL. TOWN HOMES, HOMES WILL BE CONSIDERED SINGLE FAMILY FAMILY ATTACHED SO THEY WOULDN'T BE SUBJECT TO THE INSPECTIONS. OKAY SO IS THERE ANY MULTI FAMILY THAT IS NOT A LARGE COMPLEX? NO. SO IT'S JUST A COUPLE OF LARGE SCALE APARTMENT COMPLEXES. BEFORE THAT WE HAVE FIVE CENTS. YES. OKAY, SO THERE'S ONE PERMIT. HOW ONEROUS IS THAT PERMIT TO MANAGE? NOT NOT TOO TERRIBLY OKAY? IS THERE ANYTHING IN THIS IS GONNA GET US CROSSWAYS WITH THESE APARTMENT COMPLEXES AN ILLEGAL SENSE. I DON'T THINK SO. UM IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM NOW. I MEAN, LIKE DR SESSIONS, SAID, THIS IS REALLY AN EFFORT TO HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE SO THAT YOU DON'T PROBLEMS, DON'T YOU CAN YOU CAN CATCH THE PROBLEMS ON THE FRONT END AND HAVE THOSE ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS. BUT NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY ANY HEARTBURN WITH IT. THESE ARE PRETTY STANDARD PROGRAMS. YEAH, CITIES IN THAT AREA. OKAY AND WE'RE CAREFUL THAT I MEAN, I SEE SOME OF THESE AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, YOU GOT TO HAVE 150 SQUARE FEET OF THIS AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW EVENT FOR THIS AND YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE. I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT IN HERE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO LARGE SCALE SHUT IN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX DOWN BECAUSE SOMEBODY DIDN'T HAVE THE DRYER EVENT SIX INCHES FROM THE WALL OR SOMETHING. NO OKAY, NOW I'M JUST MAKING SURE THAT THESE ARE REASONABLE. MOST OF THESE THINGS ARE STANDARD BUILDING CODE STUFF. ALL RIGHT. JUST ASKING THE QUESTION AND I DON'T WANT TO GET IN A BIG FIGHT. UM AND HAVE AN ISSUE WITH PEOPLE VIEWING US IS IN A FIGHT WITH THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES BECAUSE THAT DOES DRIVE DOWN QUALITY OF TENANTS. I WOULD NOTE THAT WE MIGHT HAVE THE REVERSE PROBLEM.

IF WE DIDN'T HAVE SOME REGULATIONS, WE MIGHT HAVE A BIGGER PROBLEM WHEN WE GET READY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT SOMETHING. I'M OKAY WITH REGULATIONS. I'M JUST LOOKING AT SOME OF THEM AND I DON'T WANT TO. I DON'T WANT TO END UP IN A FIGHT WITH A BUNCH OF THEM AND HAVE TO COME BACK PIECE FEEL AND SAY, WELL, THIS ONE. THIS ONE IS TOO ONEROUS. BECAUSE NOW YOU GOT TO RETROFIT A BUILDING. THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND I JUST DON'T WANT TO GET INTOF THESE ARE THESE SIMILAR REGULATIONS APPLY TO OTHER CITIES WITH MUCH OLDER HOUSING STOCK. OUR STUFF IS RELATIVELY NEW. THAT SHOULD NOT BE MUCH OF AN ISSUE. IT'S JUST MORE ABOUT UPKEEP. OKAY? NATHAN. UM. ITEMS FIVE AND SIX. UNDER RESPONSIBILITIES OF LANDLORD.

SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE LIMITING RENTALS. ONLY THOSE HOMES THAT ARE ON CITY WATER AND SEWER. IS THAT CORRECT? WHAT PAGE IS THAT ON PAGE FIVE. ITEMS FIVE AND SIX. THERE'S ALREADY UNITS MUST BE CONNECTED TO THE MUNICIPAL WATER AND SEWER SYSTEMS. YOU GOT TO MEET HEALTH CODE AND BUILDING CODE. THEY HAVE TO HAVE RUNNING WATER AND SEWER. PLENTY OF HOMES THAT ARE NOT ON CITY WATER.

NORTHRIDGE IS NORTHRIDGE ESTATES IS NOW BUT WE WOULD POINT. OKAY OR, OR, UH MUNICIPAL APPROVED WATER AND SEWER SYSTEMS WORLD TWEAK THAT. YEAH THAT'S A GOOD POINT. I THOUGHT WE JUST SAID MULTI FAMILY. UM. PAGE 844 SAYS SINGLE FAMILY RENTAL UNIT SHALL APPROVE NUMERALS OF MINIMUM FOUR INCHES HIGH WITH A MINIMUM ONE HALF INCH STROKE WITHIN THE COLOR CONTRAST WITH THE BACKGROUND. THIS IS WHERE I'M LIKE. WHAT? WHAT IS THIS? LIKE THIS? THERE'S A SIMILAR

[02:30:03]

REQUIREMENT ALREADY IN THE FIRE CODE. OKAY? ALRIGHT SINGLE FAMILY CODE, RIGHT? BUT THIS IS SINGLE FAMILY RENTAL UNITS, SO WE'RE DOING SINGLE FAMILY OR NOT? YES REQUIRING PERMITS FOR THEM, BUT WE'RE NOT DOING INSPECTIONS UNLESS ATTENDED. REQUEST. OKAY, ALRIGHT. I DON'T I DON'T WANT 500 EXCEPTIONS IN FRONT OF THE B O A. THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN, RIGHT? WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WE'RE SETTING UP THE DEFENSES THAT IF SOMETHING DOES GO WRONG, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE THESE. AND IF THERE IS SOMETHING IN HERE WE FIND IS AN ISSUE. WE NEED TO ADJUST. WE CAN I JUST SORT OF DOCTOR SESSIONS HAS BEEN HERE AND MANY YEARS AND HE WAS AT TIMES FRUSTRATED WITH SOME OF THE ORDINANCES, BUT WE CONTINUE TO PERFECT THEM OR THINGS CHANGE AND WE MODIFY THEM. AND AS WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC OR FROM THE ELECTED OFFICIALS. WE CAN. WE CAN CONTINUE TO CHANGE THESE AND PERFECT THESE WE'LL NEVER PERFECTED. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE. THANK YOU, SIR. HMM MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE AS AS

[5.F. VOTE]

IT IS WRITTEN. I'LL SECOND. OKAY THIS IS THAT. WHAT'S THAT ONE CHANGED IN THE WATER AND SEWER? YEAH, WE'LL GET THAT CORRECTED. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. RIGHT? ALRIGHT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM PHILOSOPHICALLY WITH WHAT WE'RE TRYING ATTEMPTING TO DO. JUST WAS CHALLENGING WHETHER OR NOT WE'VE GONE TOO FAR WITH THESE ARE THESE ARE STANDARD. SO I JUST WANTED SOME ASSURANCES THAT WE BELIEVE THESE ARE I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE. I'LL JUST READ A COUPLE JUST TO POINT OUT PROVIDE DRAINAGE TO PREVENT STANDING AND STAGNANT WATER ON THE PREMISES. HOW MANY HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE AND COMMUNITIES ACROSS HERE. THEY GOT A PROBLEM WITH STANDING WATER. SOMEBODY RENTS THE HOUSE AND IT'S LIKE, OH, YEAH, THERE'S SOME GRASS IN THE BACKYARD. WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO BUSINESS REGULATING THAT. I MEAN, I JUST I GET IT. I KNOW IT'S FOR EGREGIOUS. THINGS BUT WHEN YOU START PUTTING THESE IN THE RULES, AND SOMEONE WANTS TO PICK A FIGHT WITH THEIR LANDLORD, WE END UP THE ARBITERS OF THE FIGHT. AND THAT'S NOT THE BUSINESS. I WANT US IN. SO OKAY, LET'S JUST BE READY. OKAY? ALRIGHT LET'S LET'S VOTE UNLESS YOU GOT SOMETHING ELSE TO SAY.

I'VE SAID MY PIECE. FIVE AT ONE. OKAY. ITEM G. AMENDING CHAPTER FIVE, CREATING

[5.G. Consider an Ordinance of the Town Council of the Town of Northlake, Texas, amending Chapter 5 “Business Regulations” of the Code of Ordinances, Town of Northlake, Texas by creating a new Article 5.12 “Hotels and Motels,” to provide for the regulation, inspection, and permitting of hotels and motels]

A NEW ARTICLE. 512 HOTELS AND MOTELS, PRIVATELY REGULATION INSPECTION PERMITTING OF HOTELS AND MOTELS. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS UH, SIMILAR PROGRAM FOR HOTELS. NO CHANGES ARE PROPOSED FROM THE DRAFT ORDINANCE. PRESENTED AT THE OCTOBER 12TH MEETING. UM THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE ESTABLISHES A PERMIT AND INSPECTION PROGRAM FOR HOTELS SETS MINIMUM STANDARDS. FOR HEALTH AND SAFETY ELEMENTS. REQUIRES ANNUAL PERMIT AND PERIODIC INSPECTIONS AT LEAST ONCE ANNUALLY FOR THE PREMISES AND THE SAME PLAYING OF UNOCCUPIED ROOMS ANNUALLY. ALL RIGHT. SAME PHILOSOPHY HERE. IT'S GOT A COUPLE I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT. UM 5 1207. SUBSECTION X OPERATOR SHALL INFORM ALL GUESTS BY POSTING RULES. ANY CRIMINAL ACTIVITY OCCURS IN THE GUEST ROOM, I GUESS ENGAGES IN CRIMINAL ACTIVITY ON THE HOTEL PREMISES SUCH CASTLE IMMEDIATELY REMOVED FROM THE HOTEL PREMISES. WHO'S TO SAY WHAT CRIMINAL ACTIVITY IS. ARE WE IN THE BUSINESS? YES WE HAVE A POLICE DEPARTMENT NOT CONVICTED. WHAT'S THAT DETERMINATION THAT CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES HAS HELPS OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. I KNOW THEY AGREED TO SITUATIONS I'M SAYING SOMEBODY ACROSS THE HALL SAYS, HEY, THEY STOLE MY WALLET. THAT'S CRIMINAL ACTIVITY YOU CAN IN VICTIM FROM THE HOTEL ROOM. WITHOUT PROOF. NO WELL, WHO'S TO SAY IT'S CRIMINAL ACTIVITY? GOT A COMPLAINT? YOU HAVE TO PROVE THAT THEY STOLE IT. IT WILL BE INVESTIGATED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. BUT THEY HAVE TO BE CONVICTED IN ORDER FOR IT TO BECOME IT'LL ACTIVITY. CHIEF.

ALL RIGHT. WHAT'S THAT? IT'S WRITTEN? NO NO, IT'S JUST THEIR DETERMINATION, RIGHT? OKAY, MAKE

[02:35:02]

SENSE TO HAVE A REGULATION LIKE THAT THAT REQUIRES CONVICTION AND UNDERSTAND, SO THEREFORE IS THE DETERMINATION OF THE OFFICER OR OFFICERS IN THE BUSINESS OF BEING ABLE TO DETERMINE AND EGREGIOUS SENSE. I GOT IT, BUT IN IN MINOR DISPUTES, HOW ARE YOU TO DETERMINE SOMEBODY'S ARGUING? SOMEBODY SAYS THEY HIT ME. IT WAS A CRIMINAL ACTIVITY OR NOT. I THINK THIS WILL BE USED IN MINOR DISPUTES. WE GIVE OUR POLICE OFFICERS OKAY. GREAT DISCRETION AND WE DO THIS AND.

MANY MANY CIRCUMSTANCES AND SO THIS IS A TOOL FOR THE POLICE. OFFICER IF IT'S AN EGREGIOUS SITUATION TO REMOVE THAT PERSON FROM THAT HOTEL I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN AND OTHER CITIES. AND WITNESSED IT AND IT'S A I WOULD CALL IT AN IMPORTANT TOOL TO HAVE WE, UM AGAIN. WE'VE HAD SITUATIONS. UH WE HAVEN'T HAD MANY. BUT THEY DO HAPPEN. AND THIS THIS ROOM. THIS IS A TOOL FOR THE POLICE OFFICER TO REMOVE THAT PERSON FROM THAT. FROM THERE ARE ALSO NOT CONVICTING THE PERSON YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE ENGAGING IN CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TO ME, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. YEP. AND I'M JUST I'M JUST CLARIFYING THAT WE'RE PUTTING OFFICERS IN THE PLACE OF DETERMINATION. AND THEN. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS CLARIFIED ENOUGH. THE SCOPE OF THEIR AUTHORITY. AND ASHLEY IS THIS TYPICAL SAFE. APPROPRIATE THAT'S NOT LOOKING FOR ANY HEARTBURN WITH THAT. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE. THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. THAT'S THEIR JOB TO DETERMINE WHETHER THERE'S CRIMINAL ACTIVITY OR NOT, AND THEN THERE'S JUST A LEVEL OF WHETHER THERE IS CONVICTED OR NOT, UM, BUT THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. THEY ANALYZE THAT ALL DAY EVERY DAY AND DECIDE WHETHER IT MEETS THE STANDARDS. I DON'T HAVE ANY HEARTBURN WITH IT TO PEOPLE STAY IN A ROOM, ONE PERSON GETS MAD AT THE OTHER SWINGS AT HIM. AND THE OTHER PERSON SAYS I WANT TO GET RID OF HIM. THROW HIM OUT OF THE HOTEL ROOM. NOW THEY'RE OUT ON THE STREETS, AND YOU DENIED THEM A PLACE TO STAY. THEY GET HURT. WE HAVE LIABILITY. NO OKAY. ALL RIGHT. JUST WORRIED ABOUT YOU KNOW, IN A MINOR SITUATION SOMEBODY MAKES AN ACCUSATION IS THAT CRIMINAL ACTIVITY? I TRUST THE JUDGMENT OF OUR OFFICERS. I UNDERSTAND.

IT'S A GOOD TOOL FOR WHEN THERE'S REALLY BAD ACTIVITY. WE'VE HAD SOME REALLY BAD ACTIVITY, BUT IT IS AS LONG AS WE'RE CAREFUL ON HOW THIS IS APPLIED. I DON'T WANT TO PUT SOMEONE ON THE STREET BECAUSE SOMEONE LIED ABOUT HIM AND ACCUSED HIM OF SOMETHING. BUT THAT SCENARIO YOU JUST DESCRIBED IS NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER DISAGREEMENT. AT A PRIVATE HOME, WHERE ANY OTHER REPORTS THIS. THIS HAPPENS. YES, I'M AWARE. I JUST WANT TO GET THIS STUFF RIGHT? THAT'S ALL JUST WANT TO BE. COMFORTABLE. OKAY PARTICULARLY HELPS HOTELS TO NOT ALLOWED. WHAT DO YOU CALL THEM HOOKERS AND SELLING DRUGS. AND MAYBE ORGANIZED CORD GAMES THAT THEY WOULDN'T WANT THEIR. THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE SO OBVIOUS THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE SOME SORT OF RULES I DON'T KNOW HOW WE STOP THEM. IS THAT CORRECT, CHIEF? YOU'RE NOT LISTENING. THAT'S ALL CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. THERE COULD BE A SITUATION WHERE THE HOTEL OPERATOR IS OKAY WITH THESE ACTIVITIES. THIS GIVES US ABILITY TO GET THEM OUT OF THERE WERE. THIS IS FOR WORST CASE SCENARIOS. WE'RE NOT GOING TO AND I UNDERSTAND THE MAYOR'S CONCERNED WE'RE NOT GONNA WE'RE NOT GOING TO USE THESE FOR MINOR OCCURRENCES. THIS IS OUR BACKSTOP. IF YOU WILL TO HELP US OUT THERE ARE YOU KNOW WE'VE, UH YOU KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN IN TEXAS OR THIS PART OF THE THERE'S HOTELS THAT HAVE THAT REPUTATION , AND THE OPERATOR LOOKS THE OTHER WAY OR POSSIBLY GETS A KICKBACK. AGAIN I'M NOT SAYING ANY OF THIS IS HAPPENING IN NORTH LIKE THIS IS TO HELP US TO STOP THAT ACTIVITY AND KIND OF BYPASS THE OPERATOR. ALL RIGHT.

[5.G. VOTE]

WHERE WERE WE DID SOMEBODY MOTION ON THIS? I FORGET. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS WRITTEN.

I'M A BROKEN RECORD. YOU'VE BEEN BUSY TONIGHT. IS THERE A SECOND? I GOT TO KEEP US MOVING. ALL RIGHT. THERE'S A SECOND DOWN THE END COUNSELOR KICKER. ALRIGHT, WE'RE READY TO VOTE. FRUSTRATED.

I GOT A DOG IN THE CAR. EXACT CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. HE'S NOT IN THE HOTEL. ALRIGHT I APPRECIATE YOUR INDULGENCE HAVE QUESTIONS. I DON'T UNANIMOUS. UM, H RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING TOWN

[5.H. Consider a Resolution of the Town of Northlake, Texas authorizing the Town Manager to enter into an interlocal cooperative purchasing agreement with the City of Grand Prairie, Texas in the purchasing of equipment, supplies, and services]

[02:40:05]

MANAGER AND INTO AN INTER LOCAL COOPERATIVE PURCHASING AGREEMENT , THE CITY GRAND PERRY AND THE

[5.H. VOTE]

PURCHASE OF EQUIPMENT, SUPPLIES AND SERVICES. THESE ARE EASY TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. 2ND 2ND. THERE'S A SECOND, LET'S VOTE. STOP ME IF YOU WANT. TO MY RESOLUTION. TOWN,

[5.I. Consider a Resolution of the Town of Northlake, Texas, approving and authorizing the Town Manager to execute a contract with Stripe-A-Zone, for pavement marking on Canyon Falls Drive, in an amount not to exceed $28,631.42]

NORTHLAKE PROVING AUTHORIZED IN TOWN MANAGER EXECUTE CONTRACT WITH STRIPE ZONE FOR PAVEMENT MARKING ON CANYON FALLS DRIVING THE MOUNTAIN NOT TO EXCEED 28 6 3142. DO WE HAVE A DID WE GET THE COUNT? FINAL COUNT? I DIDN'T SEE A FLASH ON THE SCREEN TO THE VOTE 606 AND OUR BACK TO ITEMIZE STRIPE ZONE FOR 28 6. WHAT'S THE SCOPE OF THE PAVEMENT, MARKING ITS JUST GAINING FALLS DRIVE? IT WAS ON THE SCREEN. WHAT HAPPENED TO THERE IT IS. SORRY. I'M ON THE OTHER SCREEN. I'M SORRY. WE WERE ON THE OTHER SCREEN TO SCREEN. YES. I SEE THE CLOUD. YOU'RE GOING TO SPRAY PAINT THAT WHOLE AREA. HMM YES. THAT CLOUD. YES, SIR. ONLY YELLOW. HIGHLIGHTED YELLOW. ALRIGHT SO WHERE DID WE END UP ON STANDARDS ON THIS? THEY'RE GONNA BLEED IN THE DIFFERENT SPACING. WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW FLOWER AMOUNTS. IMPORTANCE IS NOT OURS. THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY SO IT'LL BE STANDARD ALL THE WAY THROUGH NEW PAINT. EXCELLENT LOVE IT. 1/10 THE COST. THE LAST ONE. I KNOW WESTBRIDGE WAS EXPENSIVE, BUT THIS IS MUCH MORE DIFFERENT SCOPES, SIR. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE. IT TOOK TO GET HERE. AH, MUCH BETTER THAN ALL THE OTHER THINGS WE ASKED FOR.

[5.I. VOTE]

SO FOLKS, ARE YOU GOOD WITH THIS MOTION TO APPROVE? I'LL SECOND THAT ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

LET'S VOTE.

[5.J. Consider a Resolution of the Town of Northlake, Texas, approving and authorizing the Town Manager to execute a contract with Stripe-A-Zone, for pavement marking on Robson Ranch Road, in an amount not to exceed $21,896.16]

ALRIGHT STRIPE ZONE FOR ROBES AND RANCH ROAD MOUNT TACTICAL C 21 8 9616. MOTION TO APPROVE HER

[5.J. VOTE]

2ND 2ND ANY DISCUSSION. LET'S VOTE. IT IS 8414 PM IN ACCORDANCE WITH

[6. EXECUTIVE SESSION]

SECTION 551.071. 072. WE'RE GONNA RETIRE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND DISCUSS THE ITEMS POSTED ON THE AGENDA. UM ARE WE WERE COMING BACK OUT WITH THE POLICE AGREEMENT. DEVELOPER AGREEMENT. WE'RE NOT READY, OKAY ? ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE NOT PLANNING TO DO THAT. WE ALWAYS RESERVE THE RIGHT TO COME OUT AND ACT ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS, BUT WE DON'T EXPECT TO AND ANYTHING ELSE. NO SIR. OKAY ALRIGHT. 814 PM LET'S GO. THANK IT WAS 924 PM WE'VE RETURNED

[7. RECONVENE INTO OPEN SESSION]

[7. VOTE]

FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION AND UNKNOWNS TO US. WE HAD ONE ITEM THAT WE DO NEED TO ACT ON THIS EVENING. IT IS EXECUTIVE SESSION A THE NUMBER EIGHT. AND CONSIDERATION OF OPTING OUT OF THE FAST SETTLEMENT. AND SO WE WANT TO MOTION IS GOING TO BE TO APPROVE OPTING OUT OF THE SETTLEMENT, WHICH WE HAVE TO DO BEFORE 9:30 P.M. AND THE REASON FOR THIS IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO ALIGN WITH OPPORTUNITY IN FORT WORTH. OUR WATER SUPPLIERS IS THE MINOR SETTLEMENT FOR US.

IT'S A BIGGER ONE FOR THEM, BUT WE'RE GOING TO LINE WITH THEM SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE COORDINATE.

AND SO WE BELIEVE IT'S IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE TOWN TO DO SO, AT THIS TIME, THE MOTIONS ON THE TABLE TO APPROVE OPTING OUT IS THERE A 2ND 2ND HALF A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? CLARIFICATION FROM THE COUNSELORS. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT AND ELEMENT MY MOTION TO AUTHORIZE STAFF TO FILE ANY PAPERWORK AND PURSUE THIS OUTCOME THAT WE'VE ASKED THEM TO PURSUE. SECOND GOOD. ALRIGHT, MOTION. SECONDS ON THE TABLE. PLEASE VOTE. MEASURE PASSES 60. IT IS NINE 20 . 925 PM AND WITH

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

Nov 09, 2023 Town Council

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