Apr 11, 2024 Town Council

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GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THIS IS THE TOWN COUNCIL MEETING OF THE TOWN OF NORTHLAKE. APRIL 11TH 5:30 P.M. LET'S GET STARTED. WE HAVE HERE TONIGHT. PASTOR HARDING FROM, UH HE'S ALSO OUR CHAPLAIN, AND I'D LIKE TO INVITE HIM DOWN AND OPEN US SOME PRAYER TONIGHT. WELCOME.

SPEAKER.

CHANCE.

[3. PUBLIC INPUT (Part 1 of 2)]

UM, WE WANTED TO TALK TO YOU TONIGHT ABOUT OUR 2024 BOND PROGRAM. UM AS YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I THINK YOU EXPERIENCE QUITE A BIT OF GROWTH IN YOUR TOWN AS WELL. SO YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH GROWTH? UM OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT OR LSD IS EXPERIENCE THAT GROWTH AS WELL. UM, WE'RE EXPECTED TO BE OVER 10,000 STUDENTS IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS. UM WE'VE HAD, UH, VOTER APPROVED BOND ELECTIONS IN 2017 AND 2022. THOSE WERE FOR THE SHORT TERM GROWTH. UM, SO WE'RE PREPARING FOR THE FUTURE WITH OVER 10,000 STUDENTS, SO WE DEVELOPED A COMMUNITY DRIVEN BONDING GROWTH PLANNING COMMITTEE COMPROMISED A 50 MEMBERS WHO MET DURING THE FALL AND EVALUATED. ENROLMENT FINANCES, BONDING CAPACITY AND BUILDING CAPACITIES WITH FACILITY NEEDS TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE. THE COMMITTEE DEVELOPED A LONG TERM BOND PACKAGE THAT SPANS OVER 10 YEARS OPPOSED TO A SHORT TERM, WHICH WAS SIMILAR TO OUR OUR 17 AND 2022. SO THIS ONE'S FOR 10 YEARS. THE PREVIOUS TWO BOND PACKAGES, UM IN 17 AND 22, TOTAL $433,855,000 AND AGAIN UTILIZE SHORT TERM SOLUTIONS FOR THE IMMEDIATE NEEDS OF THE DISTRICTS. THE 24 BOND PROGRAM HAS THREE PROPOSITIONS PROP A, WHICH IS THE BULK OF THE FUNDING PROP B AND PROP C PROP. A INCLUDES A MIDDLE SCHOOL, TOO.

ELEMENTARY SIX AN ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE INSTRUCTIONAL IN COMMON AREAS AND SPACE AT ARGYLE HIGH SCHOOL IN KENYON FALLS AND ARGYLE MIDDLE SCHOOL IN 377 TO BECOME A TRANSITION TO A FUTURE HIGH SCHOOL PROP. B INCLUDES A COMPENSATE COMPETITION BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL COMPLEX AT ARGYLE HIGH SCHOOL IN KENYON FALLS TO ACCOMMODATE GROWTH AND FOR THE FUTURE EDITION OF THAT SECOND HIGH SCHOOL. PROPOSITION C INCLUDES, UM NEW TECHNOLOGY DEVICES OR WHAT WE CALL CHROMEBOOKS. IT'S FOR A 1 TO 1 INITIATIVE. WE'VE HAD THAT INITIATIVE FOR OVER 10 YEARS.

THIS IS FOR GRADE SIX THROUGH AFTER FOUR YEARS, THEN THOSE ROTATE DOWN, UM TO THE LOWER GRADES AND ARE USED FOR A TOTAL OF SEVEN YEARS. THE POLLS OPEN FOR EARLY VOTING. APRIL 22ND THROUGH 30TH, AND THE ELECTION DAY IS MAY 4TH. AND SO WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU WERE AWARE WE WERE HAVING THE BOND ELECTION WHAT IT CONTAINED. UM AND THAT, UH, WHEN VOTING WAS SO APPRECIATE YOU ALLOWING US TO COME SPEAK TO YOU TONIGHT AND AGAIN FOR ACCOMMODATING OUR TIME FRAME TO GET TO THE NEXT MEETING. UM I WOULD TELL YOU WE HAVE HAD SOME COMMUNITY MEETINGS, BUT OUR LAST ONE IS TONIGHT. WE DO HAVE A WEBSITE. UM, IT'S ARGYLE ISD, UM ARGYLE ID DOT BOND 2024.COM THAT HAS ALL OF OUR BOND INFORMATION ON THERE. THERE'S ALSO FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS, AND THERE'S ALSO A PLACE ON OUR WEBSITE WHERE YOU CAN DO JUST ASK ARGO AND YOU CAN SEND IN QUESTIONS TO GET ANSWERS ABOUT THE BOND OR ANYTHING ELSE WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING US TO SPEAK TONIGHT. HAVE A GOOD EVENING.

OH, COME ON. DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANNA SAY AS WELL? OK, SURE. UH, WE CAN, UH, GO AHEAD. JUST, UH SORRY. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO SAY TONIGHT, RICK?

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[2.A. Proclamation - May 2024 - Mental Health Awareness Month]

UH, CAPTAIN. HE'S AT A I BELIEVE HE'S AT A MUSIC RECITAL IN AB OK? ALRIGHT WE HAVE ANOTHER

[2.B. Proclamation - May 12-18, 2024, National Police Week, and May 15, 2024, National Peace Officers Memorial Day]

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ALL RIGHT, AS ALWAYS, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME WITH US TO RECOGNIZE THESE TWO ALL RIGHT

[2.C. Briefing - Fiscal Year 2023 Audit Presentation by Town Auditor]

UH, THAT USED TO JUST BE SOMETHING THAT FLOWED THROUGH EVERY YEAR. THE EXPENSE. BUT NOW WE HAVE TO PUT THAT ON BALANCE SHEET ESSENTIALLY, SO YOU'LL SEE THAT CHANGE. UM, SO WITH ALL

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I ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF HIT, RE READ WHAT'S IN THERE? REVIEW WHAT'S IN THERE? BECAUSE THIS IS KIND OF THE WAY FOR THE TOWN TO TELL THE STORY. WHAT'S HAPPENED? UH, OBVIOUSLY, THE AUDIT IS THE BUDGET IS THE WAY TO LOOK FORWARD. THE AUDIT IS TELL US WHAT HAPPENED. RIGHT SO, UH, IN THAT M DNA, THE MISMANAGEMENT, DISCUSSION AND ANALYSIS. THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL HIT. UM WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST, AND THERE IS A SMALL SECTION THERE KIND OF LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, WHICH AT THIS POINT, OBVIOUSLY WE FINISHED THE AUDIT SIX MONTHS OR SO AFTER A YEAR IN, SO WE REALLY ARE LOOKING AT HISTORICAL INFORMATION IS NOT NECESSARILY LIVE DATA AT THAT POINT, BUT IT DOES ALWAYS GET TO REVIEW AND SEE, UM, WHERE YOU HIT. SO THEN THERE'S THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS WHICH THERE'S GOVERNMENT WIDE AND THEN IT BREAKS DOWN INTO FUND LEVEL FINANCIAL STATEMENTS. UH, FURTHER DOWN GOES THROUGH GOVERNMENTAL AND THE ENTERPRISE BUSINESS TYPE. THEN YOU'VE GOT YOUR NOTES TO THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, WHICH GOES FURTHER INTO SPECIFIC AREAS. UH LASTLY, YOUR SUPPLEMENTAL, UH, INFORMATION AS WELL AS A STATISTICAL SECTION, WHICH THOSE ARE REALLY JUST INFORMATIONAL PIECES THAT BREAK DOWN EVEN FURTHER. SOME OF THE DISCLOSURES THERE SO ALL GOOD INFORMATION. THERE'S SO BEFORE WE MOVE ON, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. SO THE PART THAT IS YOUR OPINION. IS YOUR YOUR LETTER YOUR AUDITORS REPORT THAT SECTION OF A COUPLE PAGES. THE MD MA AND FINANCIAL STATEMENTS ARE DRAWN FROM THE TOWN STAFF. CORRECT YES, SO THAT THESE ARE WHAT THEY WHAT YOU USE TO CREATE THE OPINION. BUT THIS IS THE SUBMISSION THAT THEY GAVE YOU. CORRECT CORRECT. SO YEAH, WE'RE GOING THROUGH IN THE TOWN TAKES OWNERSHIP OF THAT PIECE OF IT. UM THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I ALWAYS LIKE TO JUST CLARIFY.

IT'S NOT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT PREPARING THESE. IT'S WE'RE TAKING THE TRIAL BOUNCE THAT Y'ALL HAVE, UH, ENTRIES THAT YOU'VE YOU'VE GIVEN US THINGS LIKE THAT. AND MAKING SURE THAT, UM WE BELIEVE THAT THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S MATERIALLY MISSTATED, SO THAT'S THE BASIS OF THE OPINION. UM I ALSO LIKE TO CLARIFY THE POINT OPINION BECAUSE I HAD THIS QUESTION RECENTLY, UM IT IS AN OPINION BASED ON FACTS. SO THE WORD OPINION IS WEIRD. UH, I? I DID GET THAT QUESTION FROM A CITIZEN. ACTUALLY RECENTLY, HE WAS LIKE, WHY IS THIS BASED ON OPINIONS? NOT FACTS, AND IT'S YOU KNOW, IT'S A PROFESSIONAL OPINION BASED ON UH, TESTING THAT WE'VE DONE SO UM, JUST TO HIT SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS HERE ON THE GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS. UM WE DID SEE A COUPLE OF DECREASES. UM, NOTHING TO BE TOO CONCERNED ABOUT DEBT SERVICE DECREASE, BUT PART OF THAT WAS, UM THERE WAS THE NEW BOND ISSUANCE IN FY 23. SO A BUNCH OF CASH COMES IN AND THEN IT GETS TRANSFERRED OUT SO NOTHING TOO CONCERNING THERE IS STILL STRONG IN THAT POSITION.

500,000 ABLE TO SERVICE YOUR DEBT. EVERYTHING'S GOOD THERE, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT THAT JUST DECREASES AS SOME OF THOSE FUNDS GET SPENT FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS. A LOT OF THAT IS JUST TIMING. UM WE SEE AN INCREASE IN GENERAL FUND INCREASE ROADWAY IMPACT FEES PITS, UH AND THEN NON MAJOR GOVERNMENTAL FUNDS. THAT'S ALL THOSE FUNDS SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS THAT ROLL UP INTO ONE COLUMN THERE ON THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, SO ALL GOOD THINGS THERE AND INCREASE IS WHAT WE LIKE TO SEE. SO IT'S GOOD. HIT THAT A LITTLE FURTHER HERE WITH SPECIFICALLY TWO GENERAL FUND. UM THE TOWN HAS AN INTERNAL GOAL OF HITTING 33% OF, UH, GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES FOR THE YEAR. UH IN UNRESTRICTED NET POSITION. UM, IN FISCAL YEAR 22. YOU HAD 63% AND THIS MOST RECENT FISCAL YEAR 23 AT 58% SO WELL ABOVE THE GOAL. UM, YOU SEE THAT DECREASE A LITTLE BIT, BUT THAT'S YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT THAT SONG IS. YOU GOT OVER SIX MONTHS OF EXPENDITURES, UM, SITTING IN UNRESTRICTED NEPOS POSITION, SO THAT'S ALWAYS A GOOD THING. I THINK GFO A RECOMMENDATION IS EITHER 60 DAYS OR 90. SO Y'ALL ARE WELL WELL ABOVE THAT, SO BUDGET RESULTS.

UM YOU CAN KIND OF I HAVE THE PAGE NUMBERS ON HERE SO WELL. I MEANT TO POINT THAT OUT. IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THESE, THERE'S PAGE NUMBERS INDICATING WHERE IN THE REPORT, THESE ARE, UM YOU'LL SEE ALL POSITIVE VARIANCES THIS YEAR, WHICH IS GREAT. ACTUAL REVENUES EXCEEDED BUDGET REVENUES BY 720,000 EXPENDITURES WERE ALMOST RIGHT ON THE MONEY, WHICH IS GREAT. IT'S HARD TO GET THAT UNDER 10,000. THAT'S A REALLY GOOD NUMBER THERE. UM OTHER FINANCING SOURCES EXCEED A

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UM, LASTLY, WE HAVE OUR COMMUNICATION LETTERS. UM, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE PRINTED THEM OUT. BUT WE HAVE THEM AVAILABLE FOR Y'ALL. UM THAT INCLUDES OUR ALL OVER THE JOURNAL ENTRIES THAT WE WOULD HAVE MADE, UH, RELATED TO THE AUDIT THIS YEAR. UH, THAT'S THE FIRST LETTER. UM, IN IN THERE WE TALK ABOUT IF THERE WAS ANY FRAUD IF THERE WAS ANY DISAGREEMENTS WITH MANAGEMENT, WHICH WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT, UM SO ALL GOOD THINGS THERE. UM IN THAT ALSO, WE ALSO STATE WHERE INDEPENDENT OF THE TOWN WE HAVE NO AFFILIATION WITH THE TOWN. SO UH, WE'RE COMPLYING WITH ALL OF OUR ETHICS REQUIREMENTS. THERE, UM SO YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S THAT FIRST LETTER THE SECOND LETTER REGARDING INTERNAL CONTROLS. UH, THIS IS THE PART. I SAID I WOULD I WOULD MENTION, UM, THE ONLY NEW ONE I BELIEVE WE HAD THIS YEAR WAS RELATED TO THE PICARD REVIEW PROCESS. UM THE CURRENTLY THE WAY THAT THE TOWN USES PURCHASING CARDS IS, UM THEY HAVE TO GET PAID IMMEDIATELY. ALMOST LIKE JUST LIKE, IF YOU HAVE A CREDIT CARD, YOU GOTTA PAY IT. IF YOU DON'T WANNA CARRY A BALANCE, YOU GOTTA PAY IT RIGHT AWAY. RIGHT WELL, THE TOWN HAS SUCH A LOW CREDIT LIMIT, UM, WITH THE CURRENT P CARDS THAT THEY PAY THEM RIGHT AWAY, AND THEN THEY'RE GETTING THE RECEIPTS AND RECONCILING AND THEN SO IF THERE'S A DISPUTE, OR IF THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE, HEY, THIS CHARGE IS SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON YOUR PERSONAL CAR. WHATEVER ALL THAT'S HAVING TO GET DONE AFTER THE FACT. UM SO JUST A HEADS UP. WE PUT THAT IN THERE, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA TO START LOOKING AT MAYBE ANOTHER VENDOR. A BIGGER BANK. SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, JUST SO THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO HAVE THAT FLOATING CREDIT MONTH TO MONTH AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO, AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN'S ALREADY STARTED LOOKING INTO, IF NOT ALREADY DONE, SO, UH BUT THAT CAME UP BACK IN IN AUGUST, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT, UM SOME OF THE EARLY ON TESTING THAT WE WERE DOING SO, UM BY NOW, I BELIEVE I KNOW WHEN I TALKED TO JOHN ZIRK BEFORE HE LEFT THERE THAT WAS ALREADY IN PROCESS OF OBTAINING A NEW VENDOR, SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT LANDED. BUT THAT WAS ONE OF OUR, UH, NEW ONES THIS YEAR, SO UM, NO ISSUES WITH P CARDS. WE DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING THAT, YOU KNOW. OH, THIS WAS A PERSONAL EXPENSE. ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT WAS JUST KIND OF A HEY, THIS REVIEW PROCESS SHOULD PROBABLY BE DONE BEFORE YOU'RE PAYING THE BILL, RIGHT? UM AND JUST WITH THE SMALLER CREDIT LIMIT IN ORDER TO HAVE YOU KNOW? CREDIT TO USE IN THE NEXT MONTH.

IT HAD TO GET PAID ALMOST IMMEDIATELY. SO JUST, UH YOU KNOW WHERE A WORD OF WARNING

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WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH LAMAR FOR A CREDIT CARD SERVICES. WE CAN GO THROUGH A THIRD PARTY, WHICH HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH WELLS FARGO. SO WE HAVE SOME OPTIONS, BUT THAT THE ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IS NOT LAMAR. IT'S LAMAR'S. THE SOLUTION IS WITHIN OUR CONTROL.

YES, SIR. IT IS WITHIN OUR CONTROL. COUNCIL ANYTHING FURTHER. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, JOHN. NO PROBLEM. ALL RIGHT, WHO'S DOING CAPITAL PROJECTS? WE'LL HAVE ERIC TO

[2.D. Briefing - Capital Projects Update]

EXCUSE ME. I BELIEVE SO. WE JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A KIND OF UPDATE ON, UH ON WHERE WE'RE AT.

UM THESE PROJECTS RIGHT HERE ARE IN CURRENT BIDDING PHASE. THAT WILL BE GOING TO BIDDING PHASE F ROAD, ROADWAY AND WATER LINE FORT WORTH ADDITIONAL CAPACITY. SOUTHWEST WATER TOWER AND A WASTE WATER. WE HAVE CATHERINE BRANCH PHASE TWO. AND ROADS WE HAVE DALE EARN HART WAY SOUTH.

FRONT ROAD, ROADWAY AND WATER LINE. WE'RE LOOKING TO BID THAT, UM ROUGHLY BY THE END OF THE MONTH. I'M LOOKING AT A FEBRUARY 26 COMPLETION. THANK YOU. THE COST OF 5.4 MILLION AND THIS WILL BE BETWEEN FM 407 AND ROPE AND RANCH ROAD IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDE ROAD PAVING WATER LINE INSTALLATION. NEXT ACTIONS WILL BE, UH, REVIEW PROCESS. WE DID GET 90% PLANS EARLIER THIS WEEK.

I SENT THOSE BACK TO UH, HALF IN THEIR GETTING READY TO DO THE 100% PLAN, SO WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE ON THAT. UH, FORT WORTH ADDED CAPACITY. UM OR ADDITIONAL CAPACITY. UM LOOK TO BID THIS IN MAY COST OF 6.5 MILLION UH, FOR THE SOUTHERN PRESSURE PLANE, WHICH WOULD BE THE NORTHWEST NORTH AREA OF THE TEXAS MOTOR SPEEDWAY. UM AND NEXT ACTIONS ARE DESIGNED APPROVAL. FOR THAT.

SO THIS THIS MAP. I KNOW EVERYBODY'S STARING AT IT. THIS IS OUR CURRENT POINT OF DELIVERY . IT'S OVER BY, UM, POPEYE'S RIGHT. THE ACTUAL IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE WEST OF THE ALLIANCE RUNWAY. SO THAT'S HOW FAR WE HAVE TO GO TO GET ENOUGH WATER CAPACITY TO BRING IT. TO OURSELVES. IT'LL IT'LL COME OFF OF 42 LINE 42 INCH LINE IN FORT WORTH SYSTEM. IT WILL GO WEST OF THE RUNWAY AND CONNECT TO A LINE IN 114, WHICH GOES TO 35 AND COMES BACK DOWN AND GETS TO US,

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UM THERE'S ONE OVER THERE THAT WE'RE WORKING ON. AND THEN THE, UH, CELLULAR TOWER OVER THERE.

WE'RE WORKING ON THEM WITH THAT SO CO COUNCIL ON THIS ONE. REMEMBER WE'RE USING THE ROAD ASSESSMENT BECAUSE ALL THESE PROPERTIES ARE IN THE E TJ AND DO NOT PAY PROPERTY TAXES. SO UH, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT LONGER PROCESS. THERE'S A THERE'S A HEARING P PROCESS. THERE'S ACTUALLY AN APPEAL THROUGH A COMMISSIONER'S COURT CREATED COMMISSIONERS COURT THROUGH THE COUNTY. SO ANYWAY. THAT PITCH SEATBELTS ON BECAUSE THIS ONE'S GONNA BE, UH, THIS IS GONNA BE A LOT LONGER THAN OUR TYPICAL PROCESS. YES. PROJECTS UNDER CONSTRUCTION ARE GETTING READY TO START, STAR CENTER HOTEL CONFERENCE CENTER AND THE CELLULAR METERS. STAR CENTER.

THIS IS A EVERYBODY'S PRETTY AWARE OF THIS PROJECT BABE PROJECT FOR THE TOWN 45 MILLION MILLION GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS . UH, THAT'S UH, JUST RIGHT THERE, SOUTH OF THE STATE HIGHWAY 114 WATER, WASTEWATER STORM ROADS. IN ROADS DESIGN IS IN PROGRESS. MASS GRADING, UM ON THAT. SO, UM, WE'RE WE'RE LIKE TO GET STARTED ON THAT PROJECT. HOTEL CONFERENCE CENTER. UM, IT SHOULD BE COMPLETED IN JANUARY. 2025 THEY'RE STILL WAITING ON SOME MATERIAL TO DO THE ACTUAL CONFERENCE CENTER PORTION TO GO VERTICAL ON THAT, UM, BUT THEY'RE MOVING ALONG FAIRLY WELL ON THAT PROJECT THAT THERE AT NORTHPORT DRIVE. UH, JUST WEST OF DALE EARNHARDT AND NEW CONVENTION CENTER AND CONTINUED CONSTRUCTION. CELLULAR METERS. CURRENTLY WE HAVE, UH JUST A LITTLE SHY OF 450 IN THE GROUND. UM WE'RE WE DID RECEIVE OUR FIRST SHIPMENT OF, UH, CELLULAR END POINTS AND WE HAVE ABOUT 45,000 LEFT THAT WERE STILL WAITING FOR THE TOLD US IN MAY.

WE SPOKE TO THE MANUFACTURER YESTERDAY AT A CONFERENCE AND, UH, HE SAID. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN HERE ALREADY. SO WE'RE WAITING. WE'RE WAITING ON THOSE YOU SAY 495,545 100? YEAH, I THOUGHT THAT WAS ABOUT RIGHT. OK, THANK YOU. AS SOON AS WE GET ALL THE, UH, MATERIALS AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE CONTRACTOR START INSTALLING THOSE MOST OF THE ONES THAT WE HAVE ON THE GROUND RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE ALL ON THE SOUTH END OF TOWN. ARE THEY ACTIVE? AS SOON AS THE INSTALLATION IS PUT IN I PRESUME SO WE'RE KIND OF IN A HYBRID WHERE WE GET TO USE SOME OF THEM. WORK OUT ANY KINKS WITH THE DEPLOYMENT. OK, THANK YOU. UH, PROJECTS NEARING COMPLETION OF THE NORTH GROUND STORAGE TANK CLEVELAND GIBBS, SOUTH AND KEN BRANCH, PHASE ONE. UH, THE NORTH GROUND STORAGE TANK. WE SHOULD BE WRAPPING THAT UP IN JUNE. THE TANK IS 100% COMPLETE. AS OF NOW , WE'RE JUST NEEDING THE CONTRACTOR TO COME BACK AND, UH, CHLORINATE THE TANK AND SEND

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IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER. COUNCIL ANYTHING ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

HOW ABOUT SOME MORE PROJECTS? ALRIGHT ARE YOU STAYING WITH US FOR THIS NEXT ONE FOR MORE FOR

[2.E. Briefing - Stormwater Projects and Maintenance]

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AND THEN, UH, YOUR FUEL AND MAINTENANCE, WHICH IS, UH ADDED, UH, OVER 17,000 THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE UH, PERSONNEL. FOR THAT, WHICH WOULD TYPICALLY BE AN EQUIPMENT OPERATOR WOULD BE RIGHT AROUND 47,000 LABOR LABOR COSTS FOR THAT. UM, ONE OF THE I FEEL MY THE YOU SAID EQUIPMENT OPERATOR WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY 47,000, BUT TO JUST DO THE TOWN NORTH LAKE. STREET, SWEEPING THAT WOULDN'T BE A DAILY TASK THAT WOULD BE IT WOULD DEPEND ON HOW THE ROUTES WERE WERE DONE. SO BASICALLY WHAT YOU WOULD DO IS YOU WOULD COME OUT WITH THE ROUTE. UM AND FIGURE OUT HOW MANY LANE MILES THEY CAN DO PER DAY. AND THEN WHAT YOU DO IS SET UP A ROUTE FOR THE TOWN DEPENDING ON HOW MANY LANE MILES. SO IF IT, UH SAY MAYBE THEY DO ONE PORTION OF ONE PORTION OF PECAN SQUARE OVER HERE. THEY DO ONE OR TWO PHASES IN A DAY, AND IT'S REALLY GONNA DEPEND ON THE TIME OF YEAR. AND IF YOU HAVE A LOT OF TREES OUT THERE IF THERE'S A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS, SO YOU'RE DUMPING A LOT MORE THAN WHAT YOU WOULD IF YOU HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A TYPICAL SUMMERTIME STREET WHERE YOU DON'T GET A LOT OF DEBRIS OUT ON THE ROAD, NOT A LOT OF LEAVES. BUT, UH SO, ERIC, THIS, UM THE STREET SWEEPER WOULDN'T HAVE A DEDICATED EQUIPMENT OPERATOR ALL YEAR ROUND EAT THAT EQUIPMENT OPERATOR WOULD OPERATE THE EXCAVATOR AS WELL AS THE STREET TROOPER AND ANY OTHER THINGS REQUIRED. AND THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS IN THE PIECE. SOMETIMES THEY'RE OUT THERE DOING JOBS, AND THEY WOULD THEY WOULD JUST BASICALLY OPERATING THE STREET SUPER. ONCE THE ROUTES ARE DONE, THEN THEY WOULD GO BACK TO THE CREW, AND THEY WOULD CONTINUE THE NORMAL TASK THAT THE CREW WOULD BE DOING SO ONCE THEY FINISH THEIR THEIR SEGMENTS OF THEIR ROUTES THAN THEY WOULD BE OFF DOING THE OTHER ITEM, SO IT WOULD ONLY BE ONCE OR TWICE A QUARTER TO DO THE TOWN. I GOT. I GOT A QUESTION ABOUT THE STREET SWEEPER. UM UH, HOW LONG DO THOSE LAST? ARE THEY FIVE YEARS. 10 YEARS. 1520? I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT 7 TO 10. 7 TO 10 FOR A NORMAL STREET SWEEPER. THAT IS , UH, GOING EVERY DAY. UM THAT'S THAT'S A TYPICAL ROUTE. NOW IF WE'RE DOING IT ONCE OR TWICE A QUARTER, YOU CAN DEFINITELY EXTEND THE LIFE CYCLE OF STREET SWEEPER AND YOU'RE DOING ALL THE PROPER MAINTENANCE ON THOSE, AND THERE'S A LOT OF MAINTENANCE TO, UH TO A STREET SWEEPER ON THOSE SUPPOSED TO BE ONE YEAR. UH THE HYDRAULICS ARE JUST CONTINUALLY GOING FOR, YOU KNOW, 678 HOURS A DAY, SO, BUT YOU CAN TYPICALLY TYPICALLY GET THE YOU UPWARDS TO 10 YEARS IF IT'S PROPERLY MAINTAINED, OK, AND WHAT WOULD CAN YOU GO BACK TO C OR HAD THE YEARLY I GUESS IT WAS RENTAL OR IF YOU HAD A THIRD PARTY, DO IT. WHAT WAS THAT COST? 59 THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BE THEM. THAT WOULD BE, UH, ALL INCLUSIVE EVERYTHING THERE THEY THAT WOULD JUST BE THE PRICE FOR THEM TO COME OUT TWICE A QUARTER AND DO THE STREET SWEEPING SOMEBODY STRAIGHT ME OUT OF MY MESS. NOT GOOD. BUT IF YOU DIVIDE 60 INTO 300, YOU GET FIVE SO STREET SWEEPER THAT WOULD LAST LONGER THAN FIVE YEARS WOULD BE WORTH BUYING. AND THAT KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YES BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO ADD THE LABOR IN SO YOU'RE AND THAT'S WHAT WHEN HE PUSHED 77 YEARS. YEAH, BUT WE'VE ALSO SAID THAT THE LABOR HE'D DO MORE THAN JUST THAT. YES SIR.

YES, SIR. BUT EVEN A PARTIAL HALF OR A THIRD IS GOING TO BE 15 TO 20,000. YES OR NO, IT'S 5.5 YEARS. AND THAT'S THAT'S PER YEAR. SO NOW YOU'RE BUMPING THAT UP. UH, PROBABLY TWO MORE YEARS.

I THINK BY MY MATH OK, LET'S JUST LET'S JUST REVIEW WHERE THIS ONE CAME FROM. SO THIS FINAL SET OF PROJECTS AND YOU WANT TO DRILL ON THIS STREET. LET ME LET ME JUST DRAW ON THIS

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IT'S GOING TO DO THE SAME THING AND YOU'RE GONNA LOSE CAPACITY SO THAT PILOT CHANNEL HELPS IT.

THE LENGTH AND THE TIME THAT THAT CHANNEL IS EFFECTIVE. I HAD IN MY HEAD PROJECTS THAT WERE MORE ROAD PROTECTION PROJECTS FOR SOME OF OUR NEW ROADS. UM DO THOSE FALL INTO THIS? I DIDN'T SEE ANY. THIS WAS SEEN TO BE RETROFITTING SOME NEIGHBORHOODS. UM WHERE DO THOSE KIND OF PROJECTS FALL LIKE, LONG FOUGHT ROAD OR AT FLORENCE ROAD WE HAVE GOT YOU KNOW, WE CAN IF THERE'S A DRAINAGE COMPONENT OF A CAPITAL PROJECT, WE CAN FUND IT FROM THIS, UH, THIS FUND. SO THAT'S THAT'S A POSSIBILITY AS WELL. BUT THOSE ARE YOU KNOW, EACH KIND OF CAPITAL PROJECT. WE COULD ANALYZE IT AND DETERMINE YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S THAT'S A SUITABLE SOURCE FOR THAT. YEAH I HAD IN MY HEAD THAT IT WAS KIND OF THE GAP BETWEEN WHEN WE DO A ROADWAY. WE USUALLY TAKE CARE OF THE WHOLE THING. AT THE TIME. UM, BUT THERE ARE PLENTY OF GRAVEL ROADS IN NORTH LAKE STILL

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WE WERE JUST KIND OF SOME SOME EXA MPLES THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY RESEARCH THAT AS WELL AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. THOSE PROJECTS WOULD WOULD, UH, USUALLY BE DONE IN OUR NORMAL DAY TO DAY TYPE OF MAINTENANCE. THAT MAY NOT BE A CAPITAL PROGRAM, DEPENDING ON COMPLEXITY OF THE JOB. UM YOU KNOW A LOT OF TIMES. COVERT CAN BE DONE SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR A LOT LESS THAN WHAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY CONSIDER A CAPITAL PROGRAM. PROJECTS SO THOSE A LOT OF THOSE CAN BE DONE IN HOUSE BY STAFF. ARE WE KEEPING UP WITH THEM? IN YOUR MIND, OR DO YOU HAVE WE HAVE WE HAVE QUITE A FEW THAT, UH, ARE IN THE CLEANING PROCESS, BUT THERE ARE SOME ON THE GRAVEL ROADS THAT THAT NEED SOME ATTENTION. OK? ALL RIGHT, BECAUSE THAT WAS MY THOUGHT WAS THAT WE WERE A LITTLE BEHIND ON SOME OF THOSE, AND THEN I GOT THE IMPRESSION THAT IT WAS PROBABLY RELATED TO FUNDING. UH, FUNDING AND STAFFING. HOW MUCH OF THIS DO WE HAVE TO DO? UH, THE MS FOUR PERMIT AND THE, UH, ENFORCEMENT AND, UH, UPKEEP AND, UH CONTINUED REPORTING. I DON'T THINK THAT'S ALL I DIDN'T ASK THE QUESTION WILL THEN IF WE HAVE THE MS FOUR. HOW MUCH DOES THE MS FOUR REQUIRE THAT WE DO? YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE THAT PART ABOUT REPORTING AND FINDING VIOLATIONS. A LOT OF THAT THAT, UH UM INSPECTION AND ENFORCEMENT TYPE PART OF THAT.

SO ONCE WE'RE AND WE WOULD BE THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO A PERMIT. ONCE YOU HAVE A PERMIT.

ONCE YOU'VE REACHED THAT STATUS, THEN YOU HAVE TO UH, THE PERMIT IS GONNA HAVE KIND OF RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE INSTRUCTIONS AND YOUR YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO KEEP IT UP AND ENFORCE IT. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME ONGOING COST, BUT GET TO DO THE MS FOUR AND YOU HAVE TO BASICALLY KEEP IT UP AT THAT LEVEL. I SEE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF THINGS HERE. BUT WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF THINGS, OK? IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT THE CAPITAL PROJECTS JUST PROPOSED PILOT CHANNELS STREET SWEEPING, NONE OF THAT IS REQUIRED. IT'S ELIGIBLE TO USE THE STORM WATER PERMIT FEE. AND I. I GET THAT THEY SUPPORT THE OVERALL PROGRAM FROM A DRAINAGE STANDPOINT. BUT NOT REQUIRED. YOU SET IT UP. THESE ARE THE YOU ASKED FOR.

IDEAS AND THERE'S AS YOU, I'M JUST ANSWERING HIS QUESTION. I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF THE ONES ON HERE. THE CAPITOL PROJECTS ARE REQUIRED. JUST OPTION 40 TO THINK ABOUT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ANYTHING FURTHER. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. THIS NEXT ONE HAS COME TO US.

[2.F. Briefing - Daycare Tax Exemption]

ENCOURAGEMENT OR OTHERWISE. YOU KNOW, PRESSURE TO CONSIDER THIS. THIS IS INFORMATION TO BE PROVIDED. OK? GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. SO ABOUT A YEAR AGO. THE LEGISLATURE PASSED SENATE BILL 1045, WHICH WAS SPONSORED BY SENATOR ROYCE WEST. THE IDEA BEHIND SENATE BILL 1145 IS TO PROMOTE THE GROWTH OF CHILD CARE AVENUES FOR UNDERSERVED AREAS. AND THE WAY THAT THE BILL SEEKS TO INCREASE AVAILABILITY OF CHILD CARE IN UNDERSERVED AREAS IS BY OFFERING TAX EXEMPTIONS. TO QUALIFYING CHILDCARE FACILITIES. AND SO THE WAY THAT THIS BILL IS SET UP IS THAT IF THE TOWN COUNCIL WERE TO DECIDE TO OFFER A TAX EXEMPTION TO DAY CARES YOU WOULD PUBLISH.

THE NEW ORDINANCE. TO OFFER AN EXEMPTION BETWEEN 5100% IT WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO ALL QUALIFYING.

CHILD CARE CENTERS WITHIN THE TOWN. AND THEN THE CHILDCARE CENTERS WOULD SUBMIT AN AFFIDAVIT TO THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT. AND THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT WOULD APPROVE OR DENY THE AFFIDAVIT. THE APPLICATION. TO APPLY THE TAX EXEMPTION. TO THEIR PROCEEDS FOR THE YEAR. UH, ONCE IT'S IMPLEMENTED, IT CAN'T BE REVERSED. UM AND THE OFFICE OF THE SENATOR REACHED OUT TO US RECENTLY. AND ASKED TO KNOW THE TOWN COUNCIL'S OPINION. ON, UH WHETHER YOU HAD ANY INTEREST IN IMPLEMENTING THIS POLICY. SO THERE ARE SIX ACTIVE DAYCARES WITHIN TOWN LIMITS. ALL OF THEM

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DOES IT APPLY TO THE LEAST SPACES? EXCUSE ME, SIR. DOES IT APPLY TO LEASED SPACES? YES OR IT DOES. SO IF A DAYCARE IS OPERATING WITHIN A LEASE SPACE, THEN THE OWNER GETS THE TAX EXEMPTION. I MEAN TO SAY THAT IF THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY LEASES SOME OF THAT PROPERTY IN ORDER TO SERVE A PURPOSE THAT ALSO ENHANCES THE WELL BEING OF THE CHILD. THEN IT ALSO APPLIES TO THE PROPERTY THAT THEY LEASE. SO AT LEAST TENANTS SUCH AS SOME THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, DAYCARE IS OPERATING. THEY DON'T OWN THEIR BUILDING. UH, THE OWNER. OR THE LANDLORD WOULD GET THE TAX EXEMPTION. SIR. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, OK? ALL RIGHT. I THEY PAY THE TAXES, SO I'M ASSUMING THAT'S THE WAY IT MIGHT WORK AND MY UNDERSTANDING FROM OES AND SOME OTHER RENT LEASED FACILITIES IS THAT MOST OF THEM ARE TRIPLE NET, WHICH MEANS THAT THE I SEE ALSO PAYING THE TAXES IS ALSO PAYING THESE OTHER THINGS. SO THE TRADITIONALLY I WAS ALWAYS BROUGHT UP THAT YOU KNOW, THE PERSON WHO OWNS THE BUILDING IS PAYING TAXES AND THEN COLLECTING THAT BACK IN RENT. AND THEORETICALLY, IF IT WAS TAX EXEMPT, IT WOULD LOWER THE TRIPLE NET PART OF THE TRIPLE NET. AND I ONE THING I THOUGHT OF IS THE SENATOR WEST PRIMARILY REPRESENTS DALLAS, AND IT HAS A TAX RATE CLOSE TO 80 CENTS VERSUS OUR UNDER 30 CENTS. ALL RIGHT. WE'VE DONE SOME DUE DILIGENCE. WE'VE ASKED SOME QUESTIONS. UM DO YOU ALL HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THE SENATOR? ANY GUIDANCE FOR OUR STAFF ON WHAT YOU GONNA DO WITH THIS? I HAVE NO INTEREST IN PURSUING THIS. IT SEEMS LIKE OUR MARKET IS DRAWING IN THE APPROPRIATE MEET THE DEMAND. I. I ABSOLUTELY AGREE. I DON'T. I DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED RIGHT NOW. NO, I WOULDN'T BE FOR IT AT ALL. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT,

[3. PUBLIC INPUT (Part 2 of 2)]

JOEL MCGREGOR 8921 A FAMILY LANE. UM, FIRST THING I HAVE ON MY MIND IS, UH, IMMINENT DOMAIN.

I KNOW A LOT OF A LOT OF YOU AGREE WITH ME THAT I IN THE DOMAIN IS NOT GOOD, BUT I KNOW IT'S ON EXECUTIVE SESSION, SO I COULDN'T FIND OUT A WHOLE LOT OF IT IN THE PACKET CAUSE THAT THE SECRET BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO DEAR IS FAR CLEAR OF THAT, AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN. I KNOW THAT

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NOBODY'S PAYING ANY DRAINAGE ON FOR ME. UM AND I'M SURE THERE ARE PLENTY OF OTHER PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF DRAINAGE, SO I'D HATE TO SEE THEM HAVING TO PAY. THIS, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXEMPTION HAS TO DO WITH, UM WE'LL WE'LL DISCUSS THAT ITEM COMING UP, SO WE'LL ANSWER SOME OF THOSE. I BELIEVE IN THE LAST QUE STAFF ABOUT IT. OK AND I'M GLAD THE STREET SWEEPERS OPTIONAL AND DOWN THE ROAD, THE LEASE I THE PAYING SOMEBODY ELSE TO DO IT ACTUALLY.

ON THERE. IT LOOKS LIKE A BETTER DEAL, BUT WHO KNOWS? HOPEFULLY WE WON'T HAVE TO BUY ONE OF THOSE. THANK YOU. ALL OTHERS. 6:36 P.M. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU. MR MCGREGOR, AND WE ALREADY HEARD FROM MS STEWART EARLIER, SO THERE'S THE ONLY TWO CARDS I HAVE TONIGHT.

[4. CONSENT ITEMS]

[4.E. Consider a Resolution of the Town of Northlake, Texas, approving and authorizing the Town Manager to execute a purchase agreement/contract with GMcivil, for Chadwick Farms link road paving and drainage construction plans, in an amount not to exceed $99,900]

WE NEED TO UPSIZE THAT WATER LINE ANYWAY. SO UH, THE INCREASE IN THE CONTRACT AND WILL INCLUDE UH, INSTALLING, UH, AN INCREASED WATER LINE IN THE LINK ROAD, SO THIS CONTRACT WAS JUST FOR THE ROAD. UM COME BACK AND SO YOU CAN YOU CAN VOTE VOTE THIS DOWN AND WE'LL BRING BACK THE FULL CONTRACT OR YOU CAN VOTE THIS. AND WE GET STARTED. BUT EXPECT THE SECOND HALF TO COME ON. MAY 23 AM I MAKING SENSE? I JUST DIDN'T WANT YOU TO VOTE ON THIS AND THEN SEE IT AGAIN AND GO.

I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP. SO, UM, THIS IS KIND OF EVERYTHING ELSE AROUND.

REMEMBER THE LAND WAS, UH, DEDICATED TO THE TOWN IN EXCHANGE FOR THESE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS. SO THIS IS THE ENGINEER THAT WOULD DESIGN EVERYTHING ELSE OR DESIGN BUILD FIRM IS DESIGNING WITHIN THE STAR CENTER COMPLEX. THIS IS EVERYTHING ELSE AROUND IT. SO UM , AGAIN THAT WATER LINES HAVE CHANGED. WE'RE STILL UH, WORKING ON WHO'S DOING WHAT UM, S. SO, UM ANYWAY. LIKE TO GET THEM STARTED LIKE TO GET THEM STARTED ON DESIGN WITH THIS, UH, 99,000

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ALL RIGHT. UNANIMOUS. BY THE WAY , COUNCIL MEMBER KER COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT. HE'S OBVIOUSLY NOT

[4.G. Consider a resolution of the Town of Northlake, Texas approving an agreement with Valley View Consulting, L.L.C., for investment advisory services for a two-year term; and authorizing the Town Manager to execute said agreement on behalf of the Town of Northlake]

IT LOOKS LIKE HE GOT HIS NO. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MEASURE PASSES, FIVE AND ONE ABSTENTION.

BACK TO YOU. ALL RIGHT, WE'VE CONCLUDED OUR CONSENT AGENDA. WITH SOME MODIFICATION. NOW

[Items 5A & 5B]

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SO THE ONE UNDERSTOOD YOUR OVERALL POINT. THE, UH, THE POINT ABOUT THE, UH, CHRISTMAS TREE THAT WAS E DC CDC FUNDS. IS THAT CORRECT? REPEAT THAT CHRISTMAS TREE AND THE EVENT WAS E DC CDC FUNDS. THE GENERAL FUND FOR THE CHRISTMAS TREE WAS, UH AND KIND OF ANY ACTIVITY THAT BENEFITED AND MAINTAINED BUSINESSES. THERE'S A VERY SMALL AMOUNT FOR THE, UM UM, SANTA CLAUS AND GOOD ENOUGH TO RIDE SO JUST THAT CLARIFICATION. NEXT. WALES WANTS TO SPEAK. 6:51 P.M, WE'LL CLOSE. IT. YES, OKAY. I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION. UM, THIS IS REQUIRED. IS IT REQUIRED THAT EVERYONE, UM, HAVE THE FEE ON THEIR PROPERTY EVEN IF THEY HAVE THEIR OWN DRAINAGE AND THEIR OWN MANNER OF TAKING THAT DRAINAGE. NO. THAT'S WHAT THE EXEMPTION THAT'S THE EXEMPTION PART THAT WE'VE ASKED ABOUT BEFORE. IT'S NOT REQUIRED, AND THAT'S WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR US TO DISCUSS HERE IN A MINUTE IS WHAT EXEMPTIONS WE WOULD CONSIDER IF WE WERE TO IMPLEMENT THE DRAINAGE. OK PERFECT. THEN I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU THAT YOU, UM GIVE EXEMPTIONS FOR PEOPLE WHO MAINTAIN YOU KNOW THEIR OWN PROPERTIES AND THEIR OWN DRAINAGE. UM, WE'RE ONE OF THOSE . ALL OF OUR WATER IS DRAINED INTO A CREEK. AND SO, UM, WE TAKE CARE OF ALL THAT. SO AND MOST OF THE DEVELOPMENTS AROUND NORTH LAKE. I THINK IT'S INCUMBENT UPON US TO UM, TO BETTER PLAN THOSE DEVELOPMENTS. SO THAT THOSE, UM I KNOW WE WERE , UM, INVOLVED IN THE ONE NEXT TO US WHERE THE DRAINAGE SHOULD BE PLANNED. EVERYTHING SHOULD DRAIN TO A CENTRAL LOCATION AND EACH INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPMENT SHOULD TAKE CARE OF THEIR OWN DRAINAGE. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. AND OTHERS WAVE AT ME. ONCE TWICE ALL 6:53 P.M. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ON ACTION ITEM A. WE GOT A ANOTHER ONE COMING UP HERE IN A SECOND. UM SO NOW WE'RE UP TO DISCUSSION. SO COUNCIL. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO WITH THIS? WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO WITH THESE NUMBERS? THE SOLUTION. WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? I'M I'D LIKE A BETTER ANSWER FOR HOW WE HAVE TO DO THIS. UM. I THINK WE'LL BE IN VIOLATION OF T CE Q, IF WE DON'T UM DENNIS WELL, THAT MAY BE ANSWER ENOUGH. I JUST WANTED TO HEAR IT. EXAMPLE OF BRINGING EXAMPLE UP THAT I'VE BEEN WORKING ON. UH I'VE DONE THE SAME THING FOR LUBBOCK COUNTY. UH, THEY HAVE BEEN, UH, UNDER THESE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE LAST I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM FOR OVER FIVE YEARS ON THEIR LAST UPDATE, UH, THEY'VE HAD IT IN IN PLACE BEFORE THAT, UH, MANY OF THE OTHER CITIES HAVE. BUT OH, TCQ IMPLEMENTS THE EPA'S RULES THAT REQUIRE, UH MUNICIPALITIES WITH CERTAIN POPULATIONS. TO MAINTAIN THE MS FOUR WITH A, UH STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN. UH, FOR YOU, WHICH WOULD BE A LEVEL TWO B? NO YOUR YOUR LEVEL TO A THE COUNTY IS A LEVEL TWO B. UH, REQUIRES YOU TO IMPLEMENT, UH SIX BASIC CONTROL MEASURES. IT'S THESE MEASURES. UH, INCLUDE, UH PUBLIC EDUCATION, PUBLIC OUTREACH. UH ILLICIT DISCHARGE MONITORING ENFORCEMENT. THAT'S THE BIG ONE AND THEN CONSTRUCTION, UH, MONITORING AND ENFORCEMENT. THAT'S THE BASIS OF THIS. SO WHEN THE NEW GENERAL PERMIT COMES OUT, YOU WILL BE REQUIRED BY THE STATE TO

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IT'S GOING TO NEED TO COVER ITS OWN COSTS. UM THERE ARE SOME OVERHEAD CHARGES, BUT THEY'RE GONNA BE MINOR, SO IT'S GONNA NEED TO BE ITS OWN BUSINESS UNIT. RIGHT BUT IN THE SECOND ACTION TONIGHT WE CAN DETERMINE HOW WE'RE FUNDING THAT BUSINESS UNIT. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT, SO WE CAN ENACT WHAT'S REQUIRED BY LAW. AND GUTTED AND NOT HAVE ANYTHING SO THIS THIS COULD POTENTIALLY BE A HOLLOW ACTION. BUT YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE THIS ACTION BEFORE YOU DO THIS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE FOR COUNSEL BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC AND FROM COUNSEL. ON THE FEE STRUCTURE. WE CAN MOVE AHEAD WITH THIS STEP BECAUSE WE'RE BASICALLY REQUIRED TO DO IT AND THEN DISCUSS THAT ONE CLARIFICATION. YOU'RE REQUIRED TO ESTABLISH YOUR MS FOR AND YOUR, UH, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT IS A FUNDING MECHANISM. TO PAY FOR THAT. SO THE RE THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN IS REQUIRED. IT'S UP TO YOU TO DECIDE HOW YOU FUND IT. ANYTHING FURTHER. OK? OK, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE UNDERSTAND THIS ONE. WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO WITH IT? NEXT TIME WE'RE GONNA SET I HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT. THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS WE'VE HAD HERE THAT I SEE ARE FROM DEVELOPERS WHO HAVE PUT DOWN LOTS OF CONCRETE. AND THEN THERE'S NO PLACE FOR THE WATER TO GO. AND WE COULD NAME OVER THE LAST 10 OR 15 YEARS, THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME UP FOR YOUR GRIP AND BECAUSE HILLWOOD OR WHOEVER HAS CAUSED WATER TO RUN DOWN ON THEIR PROPERTIES.

PRAIRIE FARM, FOR EXAMPLE. ET CETERA. AND WHY DON'T WE FIGURE OUT A MECHANISM WHERE THESE DEVELOPERS CAN PAY FOR THIS? BECAUSE THEY MAY MOSTLY WHO CAUSES A PROBLEM. BUT ALSO THERE'S ALSO AN UPKEEP ISSUE. FOR YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. I DEVELOPERS LONG GONE. SO WE HAVE AN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, BECAUSE WE ALL SHARE THAT SAME SENTIMENT. UM, THE PRAIRIE VIEW FARMS. YOU KNOW, DILEMMA FOR FIVE YEARS THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT PRIOR PRIOR TO MY TIME AS WELL BUT REALLY BLEW UP ABOUT THE TIME I CAME IN. UM, WE MADE SPECIFIC CHANGES TO OUR DRAINAGE REQUIREMENTS AFTER THAT , FOR THIS LAST PHASE OF HIGHLANDS FOR HAWTHORNE ESTATES FOR FARM FOR CREEK MEADOWS WEST, ALL OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WERE CONSIDERED AFTER THAT POINT , HAVE STRICTER DRAINAGE REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE OF WHAT WE SPECIFICALLY DID TO MAKE SURE WE ADDRESSED THAT PROBLEM. THE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS THAT YOU'VE EXPRESSED ARE ALL ONES THAT, UM WE, YOU KNOW THEY WERE IN A PRAIRIE VIEW WAS ALREADY ENTITLED AND DONE. WHEN WE STARTED DEALING WITH SOME OF THE MAJOR ISSUES AND YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T GO BACK RETROACTIVELY. BUT NOT THAT I DON'T SHARE YOUR SENTIMENT TO GO THAT DIRECTION. BUT IN DIRECT ANSWER TO QUESTION THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. IS ADDRESSING THAT WITH THOSE DRAINAGE STANDARDS, WHICH ARE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE IMPLEMENT. UM IN ORDER TO FIX THAT. PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE. BUT WE DO HAVE LARGE AREAS THAT ARE GOING TO BE EXPOSED AS DEVELOPMENT OCCURS AND EVEN AS EXISTING UM SITUATIONS CONTINUING TO DEVELOP AND SO NOW THAT WE HAVE TO DO THIS STUDY, WE'RE JUST FIGURING OUT HOW TO PAY FOR IT. SO WE CAN WE CAN TAKE THIS ITEM UP AND THEN START THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FUNDING OR WE CAN JUST STOP HERE. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO? ON EVERYBODY ELSE'S OPINION. MY OPINION IS THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE FORCED TO DO THIS TO BEGIN WITH, BUT I I'M NOT RUNNING THE WORLD SO WE'D BE BETTER OFF IF I WAS BY THE WAY.

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AND ITEM B FOR THE NEXT SECTION FOR THE FEES, UH, TO ROGER'S POINT, WE COULD PROBABLY EVEN TALK ABOUT WE HAVE A WATER IMPACT FEE. WE HAVE A ROADWAY IMPACT FEE. VERY POTENTIAL. ONCE THIS PROGRAMS IN PLACE, THERE COULD BE A DEVELOPER STORMWATER. DRAINAGE. TO HELP WITH THIS FUND, SO MIGHT NOT GET FUNDED, BUT IT COULD AT LEAST HELP EXACTLY. SO UH, WITH WITH THAT? I MEAN, IT'S UNPOPULAR, BUT YEAH, WE I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION ON THIS BECAUSE WE'RE DON'T REALLY HAVE MUCH OF A CHOICE. OK, WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE SECOND I'LL SECOND THAT SO WE CAN GET TO THE SECOND SECTION. ALL RIGHT, PART TWO. SO TALK TO A STAFF. ABOUT THE EXEMPTIONS.

AND THEN WE ALSO NEED TO PROBABLY TALK ABOUT, UM, THE PROJECTS THAT WERE PRESENTED TO US EARLIER AND COME TO SOME CONCLUSION, YOU KNOW, DIRECTION, SETTING ON SOME OF THOSE MAJOR ONES AS TO WHETHER THOSE ARE INCLUDED UH, IN OUR PLANS, OR WE JUST SPECIFICALLY SAY NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA MESS WITH THAT FOR NOW . UM, WE NEED TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT DISCUSSION, BUT I WANNA HEAR FROM STAFF TO GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF DIRECTION ON SOME OF THE LEGAL EXEMPTIONS THAT ARE ALLOWED. AND ALSO WHAT'S THE YOU KNOW, GOVERNMENT ONES I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST BILLING SOMEBODY THAT THEN IT'S JUST GONNA ATTACK SOMEBODY TO GET THE MONEY. JUST A BIG CIRCLE, BUT AS FAR AS EXEMPTIONS FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF PROPERTY, WHAT'S THE THEORY? OR WHAT HAS BEEN USED BEFORE IN OTHER PLACES. UM IT'S LIKE MOST TAXES YOU WANT TO EITHER. DETER OR UM PROMOTE CERTAIN BEHAVIOR OR CERTAIN ACTIVITIES SO YOU COULD DO NONPROFITS YOU COULD DO CHURCHES. SCHOOL NURSES AREN'T SPECIFICALLY LISTED HERE, BUT YOU COULD DO THAT AS WELL.

CURRENTLY THE SPECIFIC GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES ARE STATE OF TEXAS COUNTY OF DENTON AND THE TOWN OF NORTH LAKE. SO ANY PROPERTY WE OWN WOULDN'T WE WOULDN'T PAY OURSELVES FOR THAT.

UM, THE OTHER AUTOMATIC OR PROPERTY HELD IN A NATURAL STATE. UM OF INFRASTRUCTURE CONSTRUCTION HAS BEEN ACCEPTED BY THE TOWN, WHICH THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED FOR MAINTENANCE. UM ANOTHER ONE IS PROPERTY WITH PROPER CONS, CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE OF A WHOLLY SUFFICIENT PRIVATELY OWNED DRAINAGE SYSTEM. AND THE SUBDIVIDED LOT UNTIL THE STRUCTURE HAS BEEN ON THE LOT, AND A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY HAS BEEN ISSUED BY THE TOWN. SO THE BASE UNIT IS AN ER U AND EQUIVALENT RESIDENTIAL UNIT. AND INSTEAD OF MEASURING THERE ARE PROGRAMS THAT USE A I AND GIS TO MEASURE EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE IS JUST TO ASSUME 5000. SO THE ROOF AND YOUR DRIVEWAY. MAYBE A LITTLE SIDEWALK IS WHAT'S CONSIDERED.

AND SOME WILL BE ABOVE THIS. SOME WILL BE BELOW THIS, BUT THIS IS THE BASE UNIT. THE COMMERCIAL THEN IS TAKEN EVERY 5000 FT IS ANOTHER $5 OR WHATEVER THAT FRACTION IS SO IN THE EXAMPLE. WE HAD IN YOUR MEMO. YOU HAVE A 25,000 SQUARE FOOT. UM ROOF. PARKING LOT DRIVEWAY, ET CETERA. THAT WOULD BE $25 A MONTH. FOR THAT PROPERTY. SO THAT'S THE CURRENT PROPOSAL. UM AS FAR AS THE EXEMPTIONS WE HAVEN'T PROGRAMMED ANY IN THAT'S UP TO THE COUNCIL.

UH, THESE ONES THAT I JUST SPOKE THAT ARE IN YOUR PACKET UNDER BE UNDER THE SECOND ORDINANCE OR AUTOMATIC. UM SO, UM THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF THE A FEE. THE SIMPLEST WAY TO DO THAT. IT GETS US TO THE FUNDING. WE NEED TO GET THIS REQUIRED. UM, PLAN IN PLACE. SO I'LL START THIS ONE OFF BECAUSE I FEEL MUCH THE WAY THAT OUR RESIDENTS HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT. OH, I'M SORRY. ASK QUESTIONS. I WAIT TO PUBLIC HEARING, I GUESS. ALRIGHT. COUNCIL. DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER

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GRAVEL DOESN'T COUNT OR GRAVEL DOES COUNT. DEPENDS ON IF IT'S COMMERCIAL. IF IT'S IF IT'S RESIDENTIAL, IT'S A IT'S 5000. REGARDLESS OF HOW LONG THE A DRIVEWAY IS THE WAY WE'VE DONE THIS. IF IT'S COMMERCIAL, THEN WE GO INTO THE MEASUREMENT OF THAT PROPERTY. OK, BUT IF YOU GOT A LOT YOU'VE GOT RV PAD. THAT'S GRAVEL. THAT COUNT. WELL. WE HAVE ONE. ZONE. RV PARK, AND IT'S UH, THEY RENT AND SO THE PROPERTY OWNER, I'D BE CONSIDERED COMMERCIAL. AND HE DOES HAVE SOME DRIVES IN IN THERE, SO WE MEASURE THAT SPECIFICALLY. RIGHT? OK BUT A RESIDENTIAL UNIT IS A RESIDENTIAL UNIT, SO A PROPERTY WITH MULTIPLE BUILDINGS IS STILL A RESIDENTIAL UNIT. YEAH, YOU COULD HAVE 56 OUTBUILDINGS AND STILL BE $5000. YOU COULD HAVE A 1000 FT DRIVEWAY. IT'D STILL BE $5000 OK? BUT A GRAVEL ALL RIGHT, $5 A MONTH. A GRAVEL DRIVEWAY IS OR IS NOT. AND IMPERVIOUS SURFACE IF THERE'S NO RESIDENTIAL UNIT IF IT'S OPEN LAND YES. IF IT'S AN IMPROVED LAW, THEN IT DOESN'T FIT WITHIN THE EXEMPTION. AS FAR AS CONCERNED AN IMPROVED OPEN LANDS DOESN'T COUNT. OK? RIGHT. WELL, I HAVE THE MIC JUST TO CLARIFY THE FOR THE RECORD. IT'S NOT A TAX. SPECIAL ASSESSMENT. SO IF THIS IS PASSED TODAY, THOUGH, WHAT PEOPLE WILL SEE IS THEY WILL SEE IT ON THEIR TAX BILL. ON THEIR TAX PAY. BUT IT'S NOT.

SOMETIMES IT MIGHT MUNICIPALITIES MAKE THE MISTAKE OF SHOWING IT AS A TAX AND IT'S NOT PROFESSIONAL ASSESSMENT. BENEFITS THE PROPERTY DI DIRECTLY AND THAT'S WHY YOU CAN CREATE A UTILITY. QUESTIONS. FOR THAT PROBLEM. OK. IS IT ON THE WATER BILL, OR WHAT ABOUT THE CUSTOMER DOESN'T HAVE WATER OR IS IT INCLUDE WHAT? THEY'RE TRASH BILLING? CORRECT. WHATEVER UTILITY BILL WE GIVE THEM. OK, SO THAT'S WE NEED TO FUND YEAR ONE. HOW FREQUENTLY I BELIEVE IT WAS FIVE YEARS WE GOT TO REDO THIS IS THAT CORRECT? EVERY FIVE YEARS. WE'VE GOT 100 AND $50,000 BILL. THE WHOLE THING. IT'S NOT A SMALLER PORTION OF IT. IT'S GONNA DO THE WHOLE THING ALL OVER AGAIN. YOU'RE WELCOME TO NOD ON THAT ONE. BUT WELL, I WAS GONNA NOD, BUT GENERALLY YES, IT DEPENDS ON THE EPA AND THE TCQ BECAUSE THEY EACH AFTER EACH FIVE YEAR SESSION, THERE'S USUALLY SOMETHING NEW THAT THEY BRING IN. OF COURSE, STORM WATER QUALITY WILL PROBABLY BE THE NEXT THING THAT THEY PUT IN. ALL RIGHT. OK, SO WE HAVE A AN EXPENSE EVERY FIVE YEARS OF THIS AMOUNT, PLUS INFLATION PLUS ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS. OK? AND YOU'VE ALSO GOT THE COST OF MAINTAINING AND FULFILLING THE PERMIT OVER EACH YEAR FOR THE FIVE YEAR PERIOD, TOO THINGS THOSE SIX THINGS, SO WHAT'S OUR ONGOING IN THE IN BETWEEN YEARS LOOK LIKE LIKE IN YEAR TWO RIGHT NOW. UH, IN YEAR TWO. IT'S MOSTLY STAFF TIME. OK, UH AND THAT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON. UH IT'S GONNA BE VARIABLE. YOU, UH THE EXAMPLE THAT I CAN USE IS LUBBOCK COUNTY. I IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN Y'ALL, BUT, UH, BASICALLY THE MAJOR COSTS THAT THEY HAVE ARE THE OS SF INSPECTIONS AND OPERATIONS. YOU'VE GOT A MINIMAL AMOUNT OF PUBLIC. UH, OUTPUT OUTREACH. UH AND THEN, UH, YOU WILL HAVE A BIGGER COST THAN THEM BECAUSE YOU ARE ABLE TO, UH, REGULATE THROUGH ORDINANCE, SO IT'S GOING TO BE YOUR COST TO BE, UH, TO HAVE THE PERSONNEL. UH AND THE TIME TO REGULATE THE STORMWATER RUNOFF, ANY ILLICIT DISCHARGE INVESTIGATIONS THAT YOU GET, UH,

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UM MONITORING AND INSPECTION AND, UH REVIEWING THE PLANS ON THOSE, SO WE CURRENTLY DO THAT, AND WE DO THAT OUT OF THE UTILITY FUND BECAUSE HE'S DOING OTHER JOBS WITHIN THAT WATER QUALITY COORDINATOR POSITION, SO HE REVIEWS THE PERMITS. HE'S DOING ANOTHER OTHER OTHER FUNCTIONS ON THAT, SO IT'S INCLUDED IN HIS CURRENT JOB TO DO THAT. AND THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER ITEMS THAT WE MAY HAVE ANOTHER PERSON DO, DEPENDING ON WHAT WHAT THE, UH, THE STUDY SHOWS. OK, I'M TRYING TO GET TO A WILD GUESS ON THE COST ANNUAL COST OF STAFF TIME ATTRIBUTABLE TO THIS STUDY AND ITS REQUIREMENTS. ARE WE TALKING? 25 50 50 GRAND? I I'D SAY CLOSER TO 50. 50 GRAND A YEAR, OK? ALL RIGHT. SO 50 GRAND A YEAR IN BETWEEN 150 FOR THE STUDY EVERY FIVE YEARS. WE'RE TALKING 400 GRAND EVERY FIVE YEARS. SUBJECT TO INFLATION IN TODAY'S DOLLARS, OK? THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. OUT IN LUBBOCK COUNTY, WHERE THEY HAVE BIG LANDOWNERS. DO THEY DO THEY GET TO CHARGE THE STATE MONEY FOR LETTING WATER SEEP THROUGH THEIR SOIL? NO, I DON'T. YOU SOUND LIKE A GO AHEAD. I WAS GONNA START CHARGING. OK ALL RIGHT. DID WE GET QUESTIONS ANSWERED ON THIS. GOT ALL THE MATERIAL OUT THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, OK? 7:12 P.M. LET'S OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, FOR ACTION ITEM B WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TONIGHT? YES, SIR. COME ON DOWN. TOM ROSS. I LIVE AT 7811 HILL RIDGE DRIVE IN NORTHRIDGE ESTATES. UH, WE HAVE OUR OWN DRAINAGE. IN OUR SUBDIVISION THERE. WE ALSO HAVE OUR OWN DETENTION PLANS. SO WOULD WE BE CHARGED? WHY. YOU HAVE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE ON YOUR PROPERTY IS SO WITH THE SURVEYORS. THAT'S BEEN OUT THERE IS, IS THIS WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON BECAUSE THEY WERE SURVEYING. VIRTUALLY ALL THE DITCHES OUT THERE. NO. DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE CITY. RIGHT? NEXT. YES. COME ON DOWN. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE STILL REQUIRED THAT WE FILL OUT A FORM FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS, BUT I DID, UM, DOCTOR SESSIONS I LIKE WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH YOUR LINE OF QUESTIONING. UM, ALSO, I AGREE WITH MR ROSS HERE. UM IF YOU HAVE AN ENGINEERING PLAN IN PLACE THAT DIRECTS YOUR WATER, THE RUNOFF FROM THOSE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES TO DETENTION PONDS. THEN THERE SHOULD BE OR IS THERE . I GUESS I'M ASKING THE QUESTION. IS THERE A WAY TO, UM, FIGURE THAT INTO THE CALCULATION OF THE RUNOFF FROM THE 5000 SQUARE FEET FROM EACH RESIDENTIAL UNIT? AND IF SO, IF YOU HAVE 5000 SQUARE FEET OF WHICH EVERYBODY, APPARENTLY ACCORDING TO THIS IS GOING TO HAVE THEIR RESIDENTIAL UNIT 5000 SQUARE FEET OF RUNOFF OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE. UM, CALCULATES TO WHAT PERCENT. IF YOU HAVE EVEN MORE UNIMPROVED SURFACES OR NON PERVIOUS SURFACES, SO CAN THERE BE A COUNTER TO THAT RUNOFF FROM THE 5000 SQUARE FEET? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO UM, I MEAN, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE DOCTOR SESSIONS INCLUDED, WHO HAS ENOUGH PROPERTY TO, YOU KNOW TO MAKE UP FOR THAT 5000 SQUARE FOOT RESIDENTIAL UNIT OF RUNOFF FROM YOUR PROPERTY, SO I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER THAT AND, UM AND TRY TO COME UP WITH A WAY TO PAY FOR THIS. THAT DOESN'T FURTHER TAX THE CITIZENS OF NORTH LAKE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. OK, UM I THINK I HAVE TO FINISH THE PUBLIC HEARING FIRST. UM WHO ALSO LIKE TO SPEAK. JUST ONE MORE THING. I

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IF THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THE DRAINAGE, THE TOWN BEAR WILL BE FIXING IT. ALL RIGHT, SO BECAUSE NORTHRIDGE ESTATES HAS BEEN LEFT TO THEIR OWN DEVICES FOR DECADE PLUS SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IF WE'RE CHARGING, WE BETTER BE DOING THE WORK. UH, PART TWO. THE MS HARMAN'S POINT, DR SESSIONS POINT. I LET'S SAY I HAVE 5000 SQUARE FEET ROOF. I ALSO HAVE 10 ACRES. RIGHT MY PROPERTY HANDLES ITS OWN DRAINAGE DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S ON THERE OR NOT. RIGHT, ESPECIALLY IT'S ALL DOWNHILL SO MR GANZ'S PROPERTY. EVEN EVEN A GOOD CHUNK OF PRAIRIE VIEW AND A GOOD CHUNK OF NORTHRIDGE ESTATES . YOU START PUTTING THE EXTRA BUILDINGS ON THERE. OK YOU START. YOU START TO OFFSET THAT BECAUSE I THINK IT TAKES ABOUT FIVE UNITS OF PERVIOUS SURFACE TO CAPTURE AND ABSORB THAT EXTRA ONE UNIT. OF ROOFTOP. ROUGHLY SO IS THAT A FAIRLY SAFE ASSUMPTION THERE, OK? SO LET'S EVEN EXPAND THAT FURTHER FOR SAFETY MEASURES, OK? SO IF I HAVE 5000 SQUARE FEET OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AND I HAVE 50,000 SQUARE FEET OF NATURAL STATE LAND. THAT WOULD DEFINITELY ABSORB THAT. I. I BELIEVE THAT THESE REQUIREMENTS BY TCQ ARE PUT IN PLACE MUCH TO HANDLE, CURB AND GUTTER DRAINAGE. TO HANDLE HIGH DENSITY DRAINAGE. UM PECAN SQUARE IS GONNA WANT TO HEAR THAT FROM ME. BUT THAT'S THAT'S DEFINITELY WHERE THE DRAINAGE AND RUNOFF OCCURS WHERE IT'S ALL SIDEWALKS, ALL ROOFS, ALL DRIVEWAYS, ALL ROADS. UM SO WITH THE DIVERSITY OF NORTH LAKE. I BELIEVE WE DO HAVE TO ANALYZE THIS A LITTLE BIT DEEPER. I DON'T THINK WHEN PEOPLE ARE MANAGING THIS, YOU CAN'T ASK A 200 ACRE RANCH THAT HAS A HOUSE ON IT TO PAY A STORM WATER MANAGEMENT FEE. THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE WHERE THAT LINE IS GETS REALLY TRICKY. BUT I BELIEVE IT TO BE SOMEWHERE AROUND AN ACRE. YOU KNOW? I DON'T KNOW WHERE MIGHT TAKE A LITTLE MORE STUDY FOR US TO DETERMINE THAT, BUT THERE IS A THERE'S A DEFINITE DIFFERENCES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, AND IT'S NOT A BLANKET STATEMENT. JUST LIKE OUR WATER SYSTEM SHOULD BE SELF SUPPORTING. THIS NEEDS TO BE SELF SUPPORTING. SO, YES, WE DO GOT TO SUPPORT THE SYSTEM. BUT WHO'S CONTRIBUTING TO IT? WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS WAY BACK WHEN IT STARTED. UM ABOUT THIS. WHAT WHAT SIZE PROPERTY SHOULD BE EXEMPTED FOR THE DRAINAGE COMPONENT. I WOULD THEN ADD TO THIS TO YOUR CONSIDERATION. THERE'S A PART OF IT THAT IS ABOUT WHO CONTRIBUTES TO IT. THERE'S A PART OF IT. THAT'S THE PROTECTION OF ASSETS AND THE PAYMENT FOR THE STUDY, WHICH IS REQUIRED BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS MANY PEOPLE. AND SO EACH PERSON'S CONTRIBUTION TO IT IS THAT'S THE FEE PART. THE PROJECT PART AGREED. FROM THE PROJECT STANDPOINT. UM NOW, MIND YOU. THIS IS AN ANEMIC AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR TRYING TO DO MAJOR PROJECTS. WE JUST SAW SOME OF THE PRICING ON JUST A COUPLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THAT'S ASTRONOMICAL. I DON'T SEE US DOING THAT ANYTIME SOON, OR AT ALL, POTENTIALLY IN NEIGHBORHOODS TO RETROFIT NEIGHBORHOODS. I ALWAYS SAW THIS AS A ROADWAY PROTECTION, WHICH IS LARGELY SERVES. YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY AND SO THERE'S TWO PARTS TO IT. ONE IS THE FEE HAS TO BE SHOULD BE PAID BY EVERYBODY, WHICH THEN YOU CAN DO A GENERAL FUND OR YOU CAN DO A FEE THAT COVERS EVERYBODY FOR THAT BASE PART FOR THE REST OF IT AS FAR AS PROJECTS ARE CONCERNED IF SOMEBODY IS HANDLING THEIR OWN DRAINAGE THE NATION BE. WE'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT GOING TO DO IMPROVEMENTS ON THEIR PROPERTY, THEREFORE, WHICH THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY FOR THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. UH, BUT IMPROVEMENTS OF WHICH ARE BENEFICIAL TO THE ENTIRE TOWN, ESPECIALLY FOR SOME OF THE RURAL ROADWAYS THAT NEED TO BE PROTECTED THAT WE NEED TO SPEND SOME MONEY ON. I THINK THAT WAS WHERE I HAD INITIALLY THOUGHT THIS WHOLE THING WAS GOING TO COME DOWN TO WAS THE STUDY AND THEN SOME RURAL ROADS THAT NEED SOME A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN MAINTENANCE. SOME NEW CULVERTS AND SOME NEW HEAD WALLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO REALLY BOOST OUR CAPACITY TO HANDLE. BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN SOME MAJOR THREATS FROM WATER POOLING AND FAST

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AND I. I THINK WE'VE SEEN SEVERAL TIMES THAT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. UH, BUT THOSE ARE PARTICULARLY IN THE NUMBER OF AREAS THAT ARE NOT URBAN. BECAUSE URBAN AREAS ARE GOT SOME PLAN TO DO IT AND BUILD MAJOR FACILITIES TO HANDLE IT WITH SOME OF THE PONDS, SO I THINK THIS IS WHERE I WAS SEEING THIS, UM SO THAT WOULD THAT WOULD BE A FEW ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS. COUNCIL LET'S KEEP JUMPING. YES UM I AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE ABOUT THE EXEMPTIONS, BUT I'M JUST NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE FULL AMOUNT OF THE FEES BEING PASSED ON TO OUR RESIDENTS. UM HOWEVER, THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. THAT'S I MEAN, THAT'S A LARGE ASK OF OUR CITIZENS TO PAY THEM. WHAT WE'RE REALLY DOING IS RAISING EVERYBODY'S TAXES $60 A YEAR AND THEN BRAGGING ABOUT HAVING A 29.5. RIGHT? AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M LEANING. I THINK WE NEED TO DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO KEEP OUR RESIDENTS FROM HAVING TO PAY. I WON'T USE THE WORD TAX. THE UM WHEN THEY DON'T IF THEY DON'T NEED TO. I DON'T MIND PAYING 60 MORE DOLLARS A YEAR. IT AIN'T GONNA HURT ME AT ALL. BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, THERE'S PEOPLE WHO 60 MORE DOLLARS MAY MAKES A LOT OF DIFFERENCE TO THEM. I AGREE WITH SOME OF THE EARLIER COMMENTS. I THINK WHAT BRIAN SAID ABOUT DEVELOPERS. I KNOW HIS HARVEST IS EXEMPTED. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT HARVEST, IT'S JUST A SEA OF ROOFTOPS AND CONCRETE. BUT THEY'RE EXEMPT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IN THE TOWN LIMITS. THERE ARE RURAL PROPERTIES IN OUR TOWN THAT DRAIN TO ON SITE PONDS AS WELL. SO AGAIN, ARE THEY EXEMPT? OR ARE THEY GONNA BE INCLUDED IN THIS? THERE'S JUST A LOT OF QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, ABOUT WHO IS EXEMPT WHO'S NOT EXEMPT, AND, UH HOW WE'RE GONNA FUND IT. I AGREE WITH ROGER ALSO 60 BUCKS A YEAR. NOT A LOT TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT TO SOME PEOPLE THAT IT MIGHT BE. I DON'T KNOW. BUT, UM NEED TO LOOK AT I SAID SOME PROPERTIES ARE SELF DRAINING AND SELF CONTAINING. SO, UM AND ALSO SOME PROPERTIES ARE ALSO IMPACTED BY OTHER SUBDIVISIONS.

ONE OF WHICH IS MINE. I MEAN IT. IT'S GETS TO BE IMMERSED IN THESE DEVELOPERS JUST SEEM TO SKATE AWAY FROM IT. YOU KNOW, THEY'LL GIVE THEIR DRAINAGE STUDIES AND SAY, OH, THEIR DRAINAGE IS THE SAME AS IT'S ALWAYS BEEN. BELIEVE ME, IT'S NOT BUT, UM, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT WITH THIS ANYWAY. STARTING TO RAMBLE, SO I'LL STOP. SO DREW IN AS IN YOUR ROLE. IF THIS WAS FUNDED OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, WHAT CONDITION DOES THAT PUT US IN? THAT'S A HEAVY QUESTION. I KNOW UM YEAH, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT SOME DELAY OF HIRING OR SOME SERVICE DECREASE IN ANOTHER AREA. WHAT THIS COUNCIL OR STAFF THINK ABOUT THE IDEA. IT DOESN'T HELP US IMMEDIATELY. BUT THE CREATION OF A DEVELOPER OR PROPERTY DEVELOPER. YOU KNOW? STORM WATER IMPACT FEE BECAUSE THAT IS THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE FOR ROADS. THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN DONE FOR WATER EVERY TIME SOMEBODY CONNECTS TO OUR SYSTEM. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW OF SUCH A FEE OR ROADWAY IMPACT FEE. YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOTTA GO THROUGH THE C IP. YOU'VE GOT TO GO THROUGH THE TRAFFIC STUDY YOU PAY. OUR CONSULTANTS, YOU KNOW, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE HEARINGS, WATER SEWER. ALL OF THOSE HAVE THEY'RE ALLOWED BY THE STATE. BUT THEY HAVE STEPS THAT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH. I'M NOT AWARE OF, UH STORMWATER IMPACT FEED, BUT WE'LL RESEARCH IT FOR SURE. I KNOW I'M GIVING YOU HEARTBURN. NO NO, UH, GO AHEAD. AND DEAN HAS A NUMBER OF COMMENTS. YEAH, SO I'LL JUST I'LL JUST ADD TO THAT. THIS IS YOUR, UH, THIS IS YOUR MECHANISM. THIS IS YOUR TOOL.

UNDER STATE LAW. IT IS A DRAINAGE UTILITY. SO THIS SECTION OF THE LAW THAT THAT CREATES IT AUTHORIZES YOU TO CREATE THIS UTILITY TO MAKE THESE SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS ON PROPERTY. SO THE EXCEPTIONS THAT YOU'RE SEEING ARE THE STATUTORY EXCEPTIONS NOW THAT THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT COULD BE ADDED THAT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER. BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT PROPERTIES.

FOR EXAMPLE. PROPERTY WITH PROPER CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE OF A WHOLLY SUFFICIENT. AND PRIVATELY OWNED DRAINAGE DRAINAGE SYSTEM SO THIS WOULD CONTEMPLATE A DRAINAGE SYSTEM THAT DOES NOT FLOW AT ALL EVER. INTO THE TOWN'S MUNICIPAL MUNICIPAL DRAINAGE UTILITY. OK, SO BUT AS FAR AS THE BIGGER LOTS ARE CONCERNED ALL THE LOTS SO THAT REQUIREMENT UNDER STATE LAW IS THAT THE PROPERTY WILL BE THAT THE ASSESSMENT WILL BE NON-DISCRIMINATORY REASONABLE

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DETAIN. AND DETENTION IS JUST TO HOLD IT. IT'S NOT TO KEEP IT, UM SO THEY'RE ALL BUILT TO DETAIN A LOT OF OUR ISSUES WITH DEVELOPMENT IS WHY WHILE THEY'RE STILL BUILDING THAT'S THE HARDEST PART ONCE THEY'RE ESTABLISHED, UM GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT WORKS AND THEN PROPERTY OWNERS. INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS MAKE DECISIONS THAT AFFECT THE OVERALL DRAINAGE SYSTEM AS WELL. WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS MANY TIMES IN THE PAST, BUT, UM YES. SO UH, LIKE, DEAN SAID, IF THEY HAVE A SYSTEM THAT CONTAINS IT, THEY THEY HAVE ABILITY TO APPEAL. YES. JUST BE REALLY SUCCINCT WITH IT, BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO JUST LET YOU EXTEND IT FOR A SECOND. SO MY QUESTION IS IF YOU WAS TO CHARGE THE PEOPLE IN NORTH RIDGE STATES FOR THIS OR ANYBODY ELSE ARE YOU GONNA TAKE LIABILITY? FOUR. THE DITCHES AND THE DETENTION PONDS.

FOR WHAT IT DOES. OKAY? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. SO THE ANSWER IS THE TOWN IS, UH, EX IT HAS IMMUNITY. FROM CERTAIN LIABILITIES. SO ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT WATER THAT FLOWS THROUGH THE STREETS INTO THE TOWN? WATER FLOWS INTO THE DITCH. WHICH IS THE DRAIN A PRIVATE DITCH.

PRIVATE DITCH. THAT'S OK, THAT'S WHOLLY CONTAINED, AND IT NEVER FLOWS INTO THE CITY SYSTEM. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TELLING YOU IN THE TIME THAT I'VE LIVED NORTHRIDGE. THE DETENTION PONDS WERE PUT IN THERE WHERE IT WOULD NEVER FLOW ANYWHERE. I HAVE NEVER SEEN THE WATER LEAVE.

NORTH REGION STATES. I SEE. I SEE THAT'S MY POINT THAT WE SHOULD BE EXISTING SO YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE FLOW OF WATER FROM THE STREETS INTO THE TOWN SYSTEM, BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FLOW INTO A PRIVATELY MAINTAINED. FULLY CONTAINED. PRIVATE DRAINAGE SYSTEM THAT WILL NEVER ENTER INTO THE TOWN. OK SO THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS DRAFTED IS YOU WOULD IF YOU WERE TO BE CHARGED THIS FEE. YOU WOULD COME TO THE TOWN AND SAY HEY, LOOK. I'M NOT. I'M EXEMPT.

AND THESE ARE THE REASONS I GOT T. LOOK AT THE THROUGH THE ORDINANCE AND APPLY YOUR PROPERTY IN THE FACTS TO THE PROCESS, AND THEN THEY THEY WOULD DETERMINE WHETHER THAT I AM THE PRESIDENT OF NORTH RIDGE ABOUT 260 HOMES THERE, SO HE TAKE $5 TIMES THAT OK, WELL, YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ENGINEERING. AS A PRIVATE SYSTEM. AND SO NONE OF THESE HOMES THE WATER NEVER EVER FLOWS INTO THE CITY SYSTEM. WE WE BELIEVE IT DOES. SO THAT'S THAT'S SO. SO. LET'S LET'S TIME OUT. LET THIS NEEDS TO COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL. OK, BECAUSE STAFF DON'T DISCUSS THIS. THEY CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS. SO LET'S LET'S BACK UP A SECOND. UM I'M GOING TO GO OUT ON A LIMB HERE, BASED ON MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE WAY THAT'S DRAFTED AND BASICALLY SAY EVERY PROPERTY IN THE TOWN DRAINS INTO THE TOWN SYSTEM BECAUSE IT GOES INTO THE CREEKS, NO MATTER IF YOU HAVE A POND OR NOT, WE HAVE PONDS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD HAS PONDS AS RETENTION PONDS. THOSE RETENTION PONDS ARE NOT A PRIVATELY OWNED DRAINAGE SYSTEM.

DETENTION DETENTION THEY FLOW INTO THEY HAVE OUTFLOWS. THOSE OUTFLOWS GO IN THE CREEKS. THOSE CREEKS GO THROUGH THE CULVERTS. THE CULVERTS UNDERMINE THE ROADS. THAT WE'RE ALL A PART OF THIS. WE'RE ALSO A PART OF THE FEE. THAT'S REQUIRED. AND MIND YOU THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE'RE

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THERE'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE TO TAKE OVER ANYBODY'S CAP CLEARLY FROM THOSE CAPITAL PROJECT NUMBERS, IT'S NOT HAPPENING UNDER $300,000 A YEAR DOESN'T PAY FOR 2 MILLION TO RETROFIT STARDUST. BUT THERE A RE NEEDS IN THE TOWN. AND WE HAVE TO DISCUSS WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT THOSE NEEDS? BECAUSE THEY'VE NEVER BEEN ADDRESSED BEFORE. AND THEY'RE STILL NOT BEING ADDRESSED BECAUSE THEY CAN'T BE ADDRESSED. WE CAN'T GET TO THEM. AND ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND ALL OF OUR PROPERTIES CONTRIBUTE TO THE PROBLEM EVEN IF WE HAVE MASTER PLAN DRAINAGE SYSTEMS. NOW THAT BEING SAID, WE ARE OBLIGATED TO SPEND MONEY TO DO THIS STUDY.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING TONIGHT IS. DO WE FUND THIS STUDY? THE STUDY ONLY. IS THE BASE PART 100 AND 50,000. NOW THEIR PROPOSAL, OR RATHER, THE CONSULTANTS STUDIED IT TO EVALUATE A $5 FEE, WHICH GENERATES 400,000 FROM COMMERCIAL AND 200,000 FROM RESIDENTIAL THAT'S CLEARLY TWICE AS MUCH AS WHAT'S NEEDED TO FUND THE STUDY. WITH THE 50,000 FOR THE ONGOING THAT GETS US TO 200,000 IN THE FIRST YEAR. 400,000 OVER FIVE YEARS IN TOTAL THAT GETS US BACK DOWN TO ABOUT 100,000 A YEAR. SO ONLY A THIRD OF THIS IN TOTAL OVER TIME IS REQUIRED. IS THE FUNDING NEED THE OTHER TWO THIRDS IS FOUR THINGS RELATED TO ACTUALLY DOING SOME PROJECTS RELATED TO IT OR THE STREET SWEEPING, WHICH IS A AND ASK OF THE TOWN, WHICH PEOPLE NEED TO NOW COMMENT ON BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM ANYBODY YET WHEN THEY SEE THE PRICE TAG. BUT I'VE HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY WE WANT STREET SWEEPING, AND I'VE SAID TOWN DOESN'T HAVE MONEY FOR IT. WE'LL PRICE IT. THAT WAS THE PROMISE I MADE WAS WHAT PRICE IT SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AT THIS MOMENT. SO COUNCIL I CHARGE YOU TO CONSIDER HOW DO YOU WANNA FUND THIS BECAUSE IT'S NECESSARY TO DO THE STUDY. AND IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO IT BY THE WAY OF THE GENERAL FUND I'D ASK YOU. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO CUT OUT OF THE BUDGET? I'M NOT SAYING I'M CLOSED TO THAT. I'M JUST SAYING WE HAVE TO BE HONEST WITH OURSELVES ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING, BECAUSE WE'RE BASICALLY ASKING ERIC TO FUND THE ADDITIONAL ONGOING WITHOUT GIVING IN THE STAFF TO DO IT.

GOOD COULD WE? IS IT POSSIBLE TO REMOVE THE RESIDENTIAL AND JUST FEED THE COMMERCIAL? NO, NO, NO.

TALK TO ME ABOUT EXEMPTIONS IN OTHER TOWNS. WHO HAS DONE EXEMPTIONS BEFORE AND WHAT DO THEY LOOK LIKE? YEAH. SO YOUR EXEMPTIONS ARE ARE BORNE BY STATUTE. THEY'RE LISTED IN.

STATE LAW. AND THERE'S ONLY CERTAIN ONES THAT YOU CAN HAVE. SO THE ONES THAT YOU SEE HERE IN THE ORDINANCE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED BY STATE LAW. SKIP PAST THOSE TO DISCRETIONARY EXEMPTIONS ON OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE SOME OF THE DISCRETIONARY EXEMPTIONS ARE YOUR NONPROFITS, RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS? I DS SO THERE ARE TWO OTHER CITIES DO THAT.

BECAUSE LOUISVILLE DOESN'T MOST MOST DO NOT. OK THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. MOST DO NOT SOME DO BECAUSE THOSE PROPERTIES WITH PRETTY SIGNIFICANT HAVE YOU SEEN A RURAL TOWN UP AND COMING IN THE SUBURBS? A LOT OF RURAL AREA C CREATE AN EXEMPTION FOR LARGER PROPERTY. HAS ANYBODY EVER DONE IT? NO. OK? ALL RIGHT, SO I'LL GO ON ANOTHER LIMB HERE, AND I WOULD TELL THE COUNCIL EITHER DO THIS OR DON'T DO IT. WE'RE NOT GONNA BE THE FIRST. I DON'T RECOMMEND WE BE THE FIRST ONES ACROSS THE LINE TO CRAFT AN EXEMPTION THAT DOESN'T HAVE A BASIS AND PRECEDENT. SO IF YOU DON'T LIKE THAT, THEN VOTE AGAINST US. BUT THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION TO YOU IS DON'T CREATE A LOGISTICS NIGHTMARE. AND A BUREAUCRACY THAT HAS TO EVALUATE PROPERTY BY PROPERTY.

TONS AND TONS OF THESE EVALUATIONS THAT REQUIRE COUNSEL WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU GOT A FIVE ACRE LOT AND YOU SET IT FIVE ACRES AND YOU'VE GOT A FIVE ACRE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ONE OF THEM IS AT 499. UH, WE'RE NOT THAT I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND YOU DON'T PUT IN ITS PLACE A SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE GONNA PUT SOMEBODY THROUGH THAT. SO BACK TO Y'ALL. YOU GOT SOME. YOU GOTTA FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT. AND THEN WE NEED TO FINISH THIS ITEM UP AND MOVE ON. GOOD I APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION DETAIL THERE ON THE 44.99 VERSUS FIVE YOU COULD DO IT. ZONING TYPE.

POSSIBLY MR LAW NOW WE DON'T. WE'RE NOT CONSIDERING ZONING. IT'S PART OF THE STATUTE. SO WHAT? WHAT YOU SEE HERE? IS IT THE ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT? I'M ASKING. NO, I'M ASKING ABOUT FOR THE FEE STRUCTURE FOR EXEMPTIONS . COULD YOU LEGALLY EXEMPT A CERTAIN ZONING TYPE? BECAUSE IT HAS A MINIMUM. WHAT SIZE SO THE ZONE? THE FEE MUST BE EQUITABLE AND JUST AND NON DISCRIMINATORY.

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THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING IF YOU THINK THAT I THINK YOU'RE ONE TIME COST WOULD BE WOULD BE LOGICAL TO USE. SOME OF YOUR, UH YOU WERE WELL ABOVE COUNCIL POLICY ON OUR GENERAL FUND RESERVE, SO AND THAT'S A ONE TIME COST. THE ONGOING OF AROUND 50,000. THAT'S A POSITION THAT HAVE JUST WE'D HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A POSITION TO TONIGHT. UH, INCREASE, WE'D HAVE TO FIGURE OUT AN AREA THAT UM, WE WANNA CUT SERVICE IN IF WE WERE TO A MINOR IT'D BE A POSITION BASICALLY. AND ONE OTHER THING FOR COUNCILS BEING NICKELED AND DIMED EVERY MONTH. KIND OF STINKS. IF I WERE TO SEE THIS ON A UTILITY BILL, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT LIKE ONCE A YEAR. HERE'S YOUR ASSESSMENT. IT'S DONE. I DON'T KNOW. I'M I'M JUST THAT FALL IN HERE, BUT, UM BECAUSE IF WE'RE IF WE TAKE THE 150,000 OUT. FROM RESERVES. AND THEN WE'RE ONLY PASSING ON $50,000 COST. THIS THIS SPEED JUST GOT REDUCED BY 75. SO THE QUESTION IS, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT DOING A RESERVE FOR THIS STUDY, AND TAKING THIS DOWN TO A BUCK 50 OR WHATEVER THAT MATH WORKS OUT TO. TO COVER THE ONGOING COST TO COVER THAT STAFF POSITION. I DON'T KNOW. DREW'S GOING. NO, NO, THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S AN OPTION. I MEAN, YEAH, SO THAT THAT'S SOMETHING. WHERE HOW DO WE BALANCE THIS? HOW DO WE FIND MORE FAIR AND JUST WAY WITHOUT SADDLING IT WITH EVERYONE? WE HAVE HEALTHY RESERVES. I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE WITH THE IT'S REQUIRED OF US BY LAW, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE GENERAL FUNDS FOR TO A POINT, BUT I WOULD STILL DEFINITELY LIKE TO PURSUE IN THE FUTURE. A WASTE WATER RUNOFF IMPACT FEE. I THINK THAT'S CRUCIAL TO THIS BECAUSE THE BIGGEST REASON WE'RE HERE IS DEVELOPERS RIGHT? WE HAD A THRESHOLD BECAUSE OF THE MASSIVE DEVELOPMENTS. WHY NOT START COLLECTING SOME OF THAT? IF SPECIFIC, LEGALLY ALLOWED. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS ONE. I CAN TELL YOU. NOBODY WANTS TO BE SURPRISED ONCE A YEAR WITH A $50 FEE. THAT THAT WILL GO OVER LIKE A LEAD BALLOON. IN MY OPINION, UH, BUT THE, UH NICKEL AND DIMING I AGREE WITH YOU THERE, TOO. UM WITH REGARD TO THE STORM WATER COM YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT FEE I THINK WE'VE ESTABLISHED THAT CAN'T DO IT THAT WAY. BUT YOU CAN DO IT WHEN YOU RESET YOUR COST FOR ROADWAY IMPACT.

WHITE WATER AND WASTEWATER, WHICH IN FACT, WE DID BECAUSE WE RAISED THOSE PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY ON DEVELOPMENT. AND SO WE ARE COLLECTING FROM THEM. AND THAT MONEY IS GOING TO SPEND ON PROJECTS NOW THAT BEING SAID UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO JUMP IN. I THINK WE'VE PROBABLY DRAINED THIS TOPIC. SO BACK TO YOU, SIR. YOU STARTED OFF WITH AN OPINION ON THIS. DO

[5.B. VOTE]

LET'S VOTE ON THIS.

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MY MOTION IS TO NOT IMPLEMENT THE PLAN. NOT IMPLEMENT THE FEE. AND WE CAN DISCUSS THE PLAN AT SOME OTHER TIME. OK, YEAH. THAT'S THAT'S NOT YEAH. RIGHT. GOOD. THANK YOU, OK? ALL RIGHT.

THE SYSTEM JUST CAME UP. YES. YOU CAN GO BACK. ALL RIGHT. THE VOTING IS TO NOT IMPLEMENT THE FEE. AND I DO CONTINUE TO SECOND THAT SO IT'S GOOD. YES TO NOT IMPLEMENT IT. JUST THE FEE. THIS JUST A FEW RIGHT? THIS IS NOT ANY FEE. DID YOU WANT TO DISCUSS FURTHER? YEAH, I. I ACTUALLY DO WANT TO DISCUSS FURTHER BECAUSE STAFF ALREADY TOLD US IF WE HAVE NO FEE, THEN WE HAVE NO FUNDING FOR THIS, AND IT'S JUST GOING TO COME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. SO YOUR EFFECT YOUR MOTION EFFECTIVELY SAYS, TAKE EVERYTHING OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. IS THAT YOUR INTENTION? THAT IS MY INTENTION. AND WE CAN FURTHER DISCUSS OTHER WAYS TO COME UP WITH THE MONEY. AND WE'VE GOT ANOTHER BUDGET COMING UP SOON. BUT CAN I CAN I CLARIFY THAT I HEARD A POSITION WOULD BE REMOVED IF THAT WAS THE CASE. FROM THE GOLF GOING FORWARD PLAN. YEAH. YEAH. YOU WOULD NOT ADD A NEEDED POSITION. CORRECT POTENTIALLY LETTING SOMEBODY GO BUT NOT ADDING POTENTIALLY YEAH.

ONE POSITION WHICH HAVE TO BE DISCUSSED IN THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE. LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT.

WE'RE VOTING TO NOT HAVE ANY SET FEE. USE THE MONEY FROM THE GENERAL FUND THAT SOME OTHER POINT DISCUSSED. WHAT WE MAY REMOVE FROM THE BUDGET TO OFFSET THE COST OF THIS PLAN. IS THAT CORRECT? WE'LL DISCUSS WHERE THE FUNDING COMES FROM, BUT I THINK THE DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT USING ONE TIME FUNDING FROM THE RESERVES AND DRAW DOWN THE RESERVES FOR THE STUDY, SO THE STUDY IS TAKEN CARE OF. BUT THE PERSON THE 50,000 IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE COME UP WITH, BUT THAT'S YOUR THERE'S A PORTION OF THAT. THAT'S THIS CURRENT CYCLE, BUT VERY LITTLE BECAUSE THIS THIS FISCAL YEAR IS GONNA END. BY SEPTEMBER, AND THEN YOU HAVE, UH, NEXT YEAR YOU HAVE TO COME UP WITH ONE MORE PERSON. IN YOUR BUDGET. SO TO CONTINUE THAT DISCUSSION. IF WE TOOK I JUST DID A QUICK MATH HERE. IF WE TOOK THE STUDY OUT OF THE ONE TIME GENERAL FUND.

UH, EXCESS REVENUES THAT WE HAVE. AND WE MADE IT INTO A FEE AND COME OUT TO $15 A YEAR. A DOLLAR 25 A MONTH. ALL RIGHT, SO THAT TO ME. THERE'S A BALANCE THERE. WE COMPROMISE INTO THE MIDDLE. BUT I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T WANT TO PUT AT RISK OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.

STAFFING POSITION MIGHT BE NEEDED. EVEN IF FUTURE BUDGET I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS RESOLVED.

AND FUNDED. NOW. AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT ADJUSTING IN THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR. BECAUSE IT PUTS PUBLIC WORKS IN A BAD SPOT. I BELIEVE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS FISCAL YEAR. SO ALL THE FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR. ALL WE'RE GONNA HAVE IS A ONE TIME COST. WE'RE WE'RE NOT. WE'LL SUBMIT THE STORE MANAGEMENT STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN DECEMBER JANUARY , SO WE WON'T NEED A POSITION UNTIL JANUARY. WE CAN HAVE THAT. AS PART OF THE BUDGET. UM SO WE COULD EVEN YOU COULD NOT ACT ON

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SO I FEEL A LITTLE BETTER ABOUT THE MOTION NOW. IF THAT'S THE POSITION THE TOWNS IN I I'M DONE THIS. HERE'S HERE'S MY TAKE. I FEEL LIKE THAT'S SUCH AN INSIGNIFICANT AMOUNT. BUT THERE'S NOT REALLY A POINT TO IT UNTIL YOU TALK ABOUT THE CAPITAL PROJECTS. THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF MY ASKING FOR THE CAPITAL PROJECTS WAS WHAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE DONE THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING DONE LOOKING AT THOSE PRICE TAGS. I'M LIKE WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO GET THOSE DONE. UM IF THERE ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE RELATED TO DRAINAGE THAT ARE KIND OF A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THE MAINTENANCE BUDGET THAT WOULD BE HELPED BY A PERMANENT STAFFER TO CLEAN THE STORM DRAIN SYSTEM TO PREVENT FUTURE EXPENSE THAN I WOULD SAY YES. THAT'S A WISE RETURN ON INVESTMENT, AND IN THAT CASE, IT'S LIKE WE'LL PUT THAT PROJECT PLAN TOGETHER. AND THEN DO A FEE THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THAT ENTIRE LIST OF PROJECTS WHAT THE ONLY ONE I SEE SO FAR IS THE 50,000 A YEAR THAT TO ME IS AND FIGURE THAT OUT. I MEAN, WE KNOW WHAT APPRAISALS DO. THEY'LL BE. I FEEL LIKE YOU'LL HAVE THE MONEY WILL BE THERE FOR THE NEXT COUNCIL TO FIGURE THAT OUT IN THEIR BUDGET. THAT'S MY TAKE. NO, THE TIMELINE HELPS ME UNDERSTAND THIS BETTER. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, WE CAN CONTINUE WITH ROGERS MOTION. OK, I'M DONE. ALRIGHT. LET'S FINISH UP THIS VOTE. ALL RIGHT. NO FEE. LET'S MOVE ON TO YES, I KNOW THE IRONY OF THIS

[5.C. Consider an Ordinance of the Town of Northlake, Texas, amending the Adopted Budget for Fiscal Year October 1, 2023, through September 30, 2024; providing that expenditures for the said fiscal year shall be made in accordance with the said Amended Budget]

OK, SOUNDS GREAT. SO UH, BRING OVER COUNCIL P AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE, SO THERE'S THREE KIND OF CATEGORIES THAT THIS IS FALLING INTO. ONE IS A MID YEAR 3% COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT TO KIND OF KEEP PACE WITH INFLATION. THAT'S OCCURRED OVER THE LAST, UH, HONESTLY, SEVERAL YEARS AND THEN ALSO JUST MAINTAIN OUR KIND OF COMPETITIVENESS IN THE REGIONAL MARKETS. THE SECOND IS ADDITIONAL POSITIONS, SO WE'RE LOOKING TO BE ABLE TO FUND A POLICE CAPTAIN POSITION. KIND OF ON THE BOOKS FOR A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL OFFICER AND THEN AN EQUIPMENT OPERATOR AS WELL FOR PUBLIC WORKS. UM, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR, PUBLIC WORKS IN A RECLA ONE OF THEIR POSITIONS. SO THEY HAVE THAT WATER QUALITY COORDINATOR THAT ERIC TALKED ABOUT EARLIER BUT THAT LEFT THEM IN NEED OF AN EQUIPMENT OPERATOR. AND THEN THE FINAL IS THE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION DIVISION BUILDING FINISH OUT THAT'S CURRENTLY BEEN ONGOING. THAT'S ALMOST COMPLETE.

BUT AS WITH EVERYTHING THERE HAS BEEN CASTLE RUNS DUE TO YOUR PRICE INCREASES, AND SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS THAT ARE NEEDED TO FINISH THAT THAT BUILDING SO THE BREAKDOWN IS YOU CAN SEE IT KIND OF HERE COMING FROM THE GENERAL FUND. THERE'S THE 3% COST OF LIVING ABOUT 100 AND 68,000, THE POLICE CAPTAIN POSITION, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE FURNITURE, THE CAR THE PERSONNEL AND SUPPLIES NEEDED IS ABOUT 127. UM 57,000 FOR PATROL OFFICER AND THE 50,000 FOR C AD BUILDINGS, FINISH OUT AND JUST CLARIFY THESE ARE ALL THESE ARE ALL MID COSTS FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR. UM, THE HOTEL A&E DC WOULD EAT SOME OF THAT 3% COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT FOR THE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE PAID OUT OF THOSE FUNDS WHERE THEY PART OF THEIR SALARIES ARE PAID OUT OF THOSE FUNDS AND BENEFITS AND THEN THE WATER AND WASTE WATER FUND.

WOULD COVER 3% COST OF LIVING FOR THOSE PUBLIC WORKS, EMPLOYEES AND UTILITY BILLING STAFF THAT ARE PAID OUT OF THE WATER AND WASTE WATER FUND AND ALSO THAT EQUIPMENT OPERATOR POSITION WHICH WOULD BE FUNDED OUT THERE AS WELL. LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF REVENUE, THE REVENUE THAT WE'RE PREDICTING IN TERMS OF CURRENT AND ALSO INCREASES UH, WE ARE BELIEVE WE'LL BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS, SO WE'RE SEEING DEVELOPMENT REVENUES AND FEES COMING IN HIGHER RIGHT NOW, UM, BUILDING HIS BIG BACK UP. AND SO WE'RE EXPECTING ABOUT $100,000 INCREASE OR WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED COURT FINE REVENUE IS THE ONE THAT'S WE'RE EXPECTING TO DECREASE. UH, WE'VE HAD TROUBLE GETTING BACK TO. I THINK PRE COVID LEVELS EVER SINCE, UM AND PART OF THAT IS PARTIALLY DUE. TO JUST THE DIFFICULTY OF HIRING ADDITIONAL OFFICERS. I BELIEVE FOR CHIEF TALK ABOUT THAT AND HOW HARD IT IS TO HIRE OFFICERS AND TO TRY AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MEETING THEIR SALARY REQUIREMENTS AND ALSO THE FACT THAT THE RESOURCES FOR OUR OFFICERS IS DEVOTED TO NEIGHBORHOODS INSTEAD OF PURSUING TRAFFIC TICKETS. YES PAUSE ON THAT FOR A SECOND COURT

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AND THEN CONTRACTED POLICE SERVICES ABOUT $205,000 INCREASE . THIS IS A RESULT OF THOSE NEGOTIATIONS WITH HARVEST AND THE NEW CONTRACT WITH HARVEST IN THE BELMONT FRESHWATER DISTRICT.

AND SO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE IT LEAVES US. ANY QUESTIONS? AND THEN WE WOULD, UM, REQUEST A AMENDMENT TO THIS, UH, AMENDMENT TO ADD $300,000 IN ONE TIME COST TO USE THE GENERAL FUND RESERVES TO HELP US FUND FOR THAT, UH, MS FOUR PERMIT PROCESS, 300. 150 NO 100 50. YES SIR. YES, SIR.

INFLATION IS BRUTAL. CAN YOU GO BACK TO FIRST SLIDE AND WE'RE GIVEN COST OF LIVING? UM ADJUSTMENTS. I THOUGHT WE JUST GAVE THOSE SO WE DID THIS KIND OF OUR TYPICAL PROCESS WE TYPICALLY DO ABOUT I THINK IN YEARS PAST HAS BEEN ABOUT YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF THE WRONG ABOUT 3% ON AVERAGE IS WHAT THAT'S BEEN OVER. OVER THE YEARS. WE DID 3% FOR THIS MOST RECENT BUDGET CYCLE. UH, BUT WE'RE SEEING THAT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN HELPFUL FOR EMPLOYEES TO HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GO A LITTLE HIGHER TO MAINTAIN. MAINTAIN PACE WITH INFLATION. AND THE DIRECTION THAT PRICES ARE MOVING. SO WE'RE GIVEN 2 3% IN THIS ONE YEAR? YES, SIR. CORRECT. ARE OTHER CITIES DOING THE SAME THING? DOES THIS HURT OUR COMPETITIVENESS? OUR 50% BELL CURVE. THIS HELPS OUR COMPETITIVE. THIS HELPS US. KEEP UP. OK, SO, UH, THIS IS BEING DEPLOYED ACROSS OTHER CITIES WHERE WE COULD POTENTIALLY LOSE PEOPLE TO THEM. YES, SIR. OK. UH, THIS ONE IF WE REMEMBER BACK TO THE BUDGET CYCLE. THERE WAS A DELIBERATE ATTEMPT TO TRY TO GET US IN BUDGET AND TO DO THAT WE POSTPONE SOME OF THESE TO SEE HOW THE YEAR WOULD PROGRESS. BUT WE ANTICIPATED A NEED TO BE AT THIS LEVEL. AND SO WE'RE WE'RE MAKING IT IN SMALLER INCREMENTS TO HELP US GET THERE. BUT THIS IS STILL TRYING TO MAINTAIN THE STANDARD THAT WE SET OF MAINTAINING COMPETITIVENESS AT THE 50. OF THE MARKET. BUT WE DIDN'T DO IT IN THE FIRST ROUND BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW THE YEAR WAS GONNA END. KIND OF LAY OUT. SO THIS IS THE OTHER HALF NOW THAT THE REVENUE HAS BEEN PROVEN. UH, THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE A FEW, YOU KNOW, POSITIVE SURPRISES. UH, THESE ARE BOTH WARRANTED. NEEDED FROM A POSITION STANDPOINT, THE COST OF LIVING IS NEEDED TO KEEP PACE WITH OUR WITH OUR COMMITMENT. TO WHERE OUR STANDARD IS. AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE EXHIBIT, UM, WHERE WE'RE COMING REAL CLOSE TO OUR TOTAL REVENUE, WHICH, BY THE WAY YOU YOU SAW EARLIER IN THE AUDIT, YOU COULD SEE THAT OUR RESERVES ARE FALLING BECAUSE WE'RE DIPPING INTO THEM ALREADY BEFORE WE GOT

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WE'RE HOPEFUL, BUT WE'RE GONNA GO FORWARD AND THEN IN IN OCTOBER. WITH YOUR WITH YOUR NEW BUDGET TO THE SUMMER, WE'RE GONNA ADD SOME MORE POLICE OFFICER POSITIONS AND SO AND THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO MOVE. FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS BACK TO TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT. SO WE'RE GONNA CHIEF AND CABINET. VERY AGGRESSIVE. WE'VE GOT HOPEFULLY A GOOD CLASS COMING THROUGH THE ACADEMY. UH, THIS 3% THE PAY RANGE INCREASES. WE'VE GOT SOME LATERALS COMING IN. SO ALL THE TOOLS YOU'VE GIVEN US. I THINK WE'RE WE'RE GETTING THERE. IT DOESN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT, BUT, UM, AGAIN, WE GET THE POSITIONS WE'LL BE ABLE TO COVER THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND DO THE TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT. WELL SPECIFICALLY TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT WITHIN AROUND THE AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE HIGHWAYS. SO TO YOUR POINT, THOUGH, YOUR POINTS WELL RECEIVED. THANK YOU. YOU VOICED DEVOTION. I'D MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE. 2ND 3RD WITH THE, UM WITH THE AMENDMENT TO THE

[5.C. VOTE]

HANG ON. SHE'S GOING TO SEND IT UP A SECOND. VOICE VOTE. OK LET'S UH, HAND VOTE THEN. UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY, I LIFT YOUR HAND ANY OPPOSED UNANIMOUS? THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. IT IS 7:58

[6. EXECUTIVE SESSION]

[7. RECONVENE INTO OPEN SESSION]

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